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One of the greats.
Say what you want about him but he brought many new innovative thoughts to the world of bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m66.jpg)
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One of the greats.
Say what you want about him but he brought many new innovative thoughts to the world of bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m66.jpg)
what a complete badass! awesome muscle bellies! classic!
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His sordid stint in the world of gay for pay aside, he was a good BBer. One of the best? Definitely for his time.
However, that extreme HIT "work one set per bodypart once per month" bullshit is just plain dumb. No wonder Mentzer turned into a colossal soft fatarse in his last days. Anybody on that routine would.
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Thats where I learned to MELTDOWN !!!
MIKE MELTDOWN MENTZER
hahahaahahha oh brother hahahahahah
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Legendary for sure.
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He's my favorite bodybuilder. A true inspirational figure in my life, who possessed both mind and muscle.
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One of the greats.
Say what you want about him but he brought many new innovative thoughts to the world of bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m66.jpg)
yes Mr Olympia 1980
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Alot of pics i haven't seen in there...thanks
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His sordid stint in the world of gay for pay aside,
Where did you come up with that bullshit? For gods sake have some respect. The guy is dead and can't defend himself.
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Alot of pics i haven't seen in there...thanks
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How about these? Notice the triceps!
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Oh.... here I thought it was gonna be a thread on Arnold, Flex Wheeler, or Sergio Oliva.
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Oh.... here I thought it was gonna be a thread on Arnold, Flex Wheeler, or Sergio Oliva.
I could have sworn it was going to be another Flex ass-kissing thread.
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Very nice clip where Mentzer speaks on nutrition.
YIP
Zack
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I remember reading about his death when i was 15-16 . I started crying even though i didnt know the guy in person (yeah call me gay whatever). I had only read a book of his and read about him online. I was so fascinated with the guy and his way of thinking and his writing, still am.
Also he was so cool and stylish. ;D
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/k88.jpg)
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I remember reading about his death when i was 15-16 . I started crying even though i didnt know the guy in person (yeah call me gay whatever). I had only read a book of his and read about him online. I was so fascinated with the guy and his way of thinking and his writing, still am.
Also he was so cool and stylish. ;D
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/k88.jpg)
Tragic life Mike led. I read his stuff starting in 1977.
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Very nice clip where Mentzer speaks on nutrition.
YIP
Zack
Thanks!!
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I remember reading about his death when i was 15-16 . I started crying even though i didnt know the guy in person (yeah call me gay whatever).
Whoa, that's intense. I mean, yikes. I'm kind of creeped out, actually. Egads.
Don't even come near me again. Thanks.
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Whoa, that's intense. I mean, yikes. I'm kind of creeped out, actually. Egads.
haha yeah i guess kinda. but he was my idol :-[ :P
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haha yeah i guess kinda. but he was my idol :-[ :P
Dont take this the wrong way but I think you should get out more.
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Dont take this the wrong way but I think you should get out more.
and all you do on this board is trying to put people down. speaks volumes about yourself as a person.
now, get out of my tribute thread if you have nothing else to add..
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and all you do on this board is trying to put people down. speaks volumes about yourself as a person.
now, get out of my tribute thread if you have nothing else to add..
Then get your tongue out of my dirty butthole.
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Then get your tongue out of my dirty butthole.
sounds like another gimmic TA account. :-\
oh well guess i put more fuel on the fire for this moron now..
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RIP Mike Mentzer.
Great bodybuilder (won in 1980 in my opinion), a very intellectual man, and wrote some great motivational material too.
His website has some good articles.
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sounds like another gimmic TA account. :-\
oh well guess i put more fuel on the fire for this moron now..
Not TA, guess again...
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Mentzer had a good physique but was not quite what people paint him to be. He was purported to be an intellectual but when you read his writings you see that he was quite myopic, simplistic, and closed-minded in his thoughts which is an indication that he was not quite as intelligent as many people think. He also had many problems in his life from what I have read to include the abuse of stimulants and bouts with depression and or some form of insanity.
That said, I always enjoyed his writings and liked his training style.
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how can you guys not post this picture...
Eat your heart out...http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer.html
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e0/Mike_mentzer_sm.jpg)
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i wouldnt say mike is one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time...but his contributions to the sport are.
high intensity...heavy weight to failure and beyoned.
he talked alot how overtraining impedes progress...which has proven to be true.
overtraining was common back in his day... even today some morons still want to spend 1:30 -2 hrs trianing...lol
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In his prime I'd say he was better than Arnold at his best, his physique was more complete. He should have definetely won in 1980.
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I must say Mike Mentzer is one of my all time favorites. You can say what you want about his training methods, but he contributed a lot of thought provoking ideas that made people really think twice about the way they train. In era when overtraining was common in most circles, Mike offered you alternative.
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In his prime I'd say he was better than Arnold at his best, his physique was more complete. He should have definetely won in 1980.
i agree he should have won the 80 olympia.
but he wouldnt beat arnold at his best.
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He couldnt beat arnold, period. And it destroyed his mind and career.
truth
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He couldnt beat arnold, period. And it destroyed his mind and career.
truth
agreed 100%
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I love how you have this big, bold statement as the subject of your thread. I read it and expected a ton of pictures and a big writeup.
One picture and a link to a video. Wow.
Monster tribute!
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I don't necessarily think Mentzer should've won the 1980 Olympia, but he was certainly better than 5th place. He should've at least beaten Coe and Zane, and maybe placed as high as 2nd.
Nevertheless Mike was one of my first bodybuilding heroes when I was a teenager and read M&F for the first time in 1979. The pics of him and Casey Viator training together just looked unreal to me. I never knew real live people could look like that!
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one of the great moustaches of all time, up there with burt reynolds and adolf hitler.
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His sordid stint in the world of gay for pay aside, he was a good BBer.
WHAT GAY FOR PAY? WHEN AND WHERE DID YOU EVER HEAR OR SEE HIM DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
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Very nice clip where Mentzer speaks on nutrition.
YIP
Zack
maybe you should move this thread as well :-[
lame.
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one of the great moustaches of all time, up there with burt reynolds and adolf hitler.
Finally a good post.. Right on brother.
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How did he die???
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How did he die???
mike had a congential heart defect and died from a heart attack...his brother ray died shortly after that.
their father died from the same condition around the same age as mike and ray.
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http://www.mikementzer.com/miketribute06.html
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how can you guys not post this picture...
Eat your heart out...http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer.html
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e0/Mike_mentzer_sm.jpg)
Monster stretch marks
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Mike was a very complexed guy. Interesting to note that he never competed again after the 1980 O. Mentally he was shot by the injustice of it all.
Fantastic Physique. I loved the photos of the universe in 1977 or 1978 when he had a perfect score. Anybody got any photos of that show?
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awesome triceps. if his biceps were on par his arms would have blitzed arnold's.
that was the most accentuated difference between arnold and mike - biceps.
ok, chest too.
maybe lat width too, but that's it. everything else goes to mentzer.
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awesome triceps. if his biceps were on par his arms would have blitzed arnold's.
that was the most accentuated difference between arnold and mike - biceps.
ok, chest too.
maybe lat width too, but that's it. everything else goes to mentzer.
I wouldn't say his biceps were a problem. They were massive and proportionate to the rest of him. His chest was a bit oddly shaped and flat but still quite large and a thicker back could have done him good in 1980.
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One of the greats.
Say what you want about him but he brought many new innovative thoughts to the world of bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m66.jpg)
one of the most perfect bodybuilders ever...this what we call PERFECTION REDFINED..AMAZING
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I wouldn't say his biceps were a problem. They were massive and proportionate to the rest of him. His chest was a bit oddly shaped and flat but still quite large and a thicker back could have done him good in 1980.
nah, his biceps weren't a problem as such. they just weren't freaky massive and poppin like arnolds, but no one's perfect.
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mentzer posing at the beach...awsome.
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damn mike looks like a fuckin greek god in this pic..amazing
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flawless............
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amazing calves
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wow.......
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amazing
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...........flawless
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holy shit...wow :o :o :o
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flawless............
I won't say flawless but that is a great shot.
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I remember reading about his death when i was 15-16 . I started crying even though i didnt know the guy in person (yeah call me gay whatever). I had only read a book of his and read about him online. I was so fascinated with the guy and his way of thinking and his writing, still am.
Also he was so cool and stylish. ;D
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/k88.jpg)
Maxx... I shared many dinners with Mike and the gang at Ray's gym. While a didn't agree with Mikes training, I did enjoy speaking with him and yes it was a sad day when he passed.
Joey Tito... back your statement with some proof otherwise STFU.
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One of the greatest...
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/ment3.jpg)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/ment2.jpg)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/ment1.jpg)
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Mike is the man. A radical individualist.
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Awesome build, legendary for sure.
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He's my favorite bodybuilder. A true inspirational figure in my life, who possessed both mind and muscle.
Its more like his mind was possessed....he was a loon! Nothing more then a nutcase.
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Its more like his mind was possessed....he was a loon! Nothing more then a nutcase.
No one cares what you think...
"Nothing more than a nutcase?" That man accomplished 1000 times more than you ever will, son. He had one of the best physiques of all time -- you, on the other hand, are just some homo on the internet. :-[
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more mentzer...
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Mike was more complete than Arnold, the only thing Arnold had him on was biceps and a slight advantage on chest. Overall Mentzer had a better physique IMO.
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Maxx... I shared many dinners with Mike and the gang at Ray's gym. While a didn't agree with Mikes training, I did enjoy speaking with him and yes it was a sad day when he passed.
Joey Tito... back your statement with some proof otherwise STFU.
cool. Maybe you have some stories or interesting stuff about Mike and Ray that you could share with us on getbig.
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Mike was more complete than Arnold, the only thing Arnold had him on was biceps and a slight advantage on chest. Overall Mentzer had a better physique IMO.
i would give arnold back also....
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I love reading Mike's stuff...gotta take some of it with a grain of salt but it's a great read most of the time.
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mentzers contest history
1970
Mr Pennsylvania - AAU, Winner
1971
Mr America - AAU, 10th
Teen Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
Teen Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1975
Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 3rd
Mr East Coast - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
Mr USA - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
1976
Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Mr America - IFBB, Overall Winner
Universe - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 2nd
1977
North American Championships - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 1st
North American Championships - IFBB, Overall Winner
Universe - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1978
USA World Qualifier - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
USA vs the World - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1979
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1980
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
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i think one of the best if not the best proportional bodies
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Very nice clip where Mentzer speaks on nutrition.
YIP
Zack
...I also find this girls information on nutrition valid, and true. And delivered in a scientific way!
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Enjoy!
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However, that extreme HIT "work one set per bodypart once per month" bullshit is just plain dumb. No wonder Mentzer turned into a colossal soft fatarse in his last days. Anybody on that routine would.
Once a month.. ahahha.. I wonder what he's going to do with the rest of the days?
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YES KNNY!!!!
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mentzer was a genius and his legacy in bodybuilding is one that will continue grow in the years to come... people will continue to understand HIT and embrace it as the greatest method of training... not necessarily following Heavy Duty exactly but following the gerneral priciples of training he talked about.
in his day overtraining was very common...there are still some idiots on this board who post about their 2 hour workouts, endless sets and reps, ect...lol
here are some on mentzers words of wisdom...
"Most bodybuilders seem to regard bodybuilding training as an endurance contest, which it is not. That, again, is operating off the notion that more is better. The idea is not to go into the gym to see how many sets you can do or how long you can mindlessly endure. Your purpose is to go into the gym as an informed, intelligent, rational human being and perform only the precise amount of exercise required to stimulate growth. Note the distinction. Your purpose is not to engage in an endurance contest but to do what is required by nature to stimulate growth. And, as it turns out, the precise amount of exercise required to stimulate growth isn't nearly as much as people have been led to believe or would like to believe."
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there were some posts on here talking about serge nubret... the guy knew nothing about training or nutrition...and people wanna follow his workouts...lol...they dont realize the reason he reached the level he did was because he was genitically gifted...most bodybuilders would regress on that type of training.
more mentzer on training...
"The majority of volume bodybuilders are performing a random, arbitrary number of sets, up to 60 sets a day, six or seven days a week. You and I both know that represents gross overtraining, and for the bodybuilder who is not genetically gifted or taking steroids, it's useless. For those not taking extremely large amounts of recovery-ability enhancers, such as steroids and growth hormone, it's even counterproductive."
"Your program should involve no more than four workouts a week and should consist of no more than four or five sets per bodypart. The low number of sets will enable you to generate maximum intensity of effort by going to complete failure on each and every set. Any more than that and you’ll have to hold back somewhat on each set; i.e., pace your effort so you’ll have enough energy and drive to complete the sets that loom ahead with like intensity. While it may actually require something less than maximum, or 100 percent, effort to induce growth stimulation, how would you know where that level might be and how would you accurately measure anything less than 100 percent effort? You couldn’t, so be sure to pass that threshold. If such a program doesn’t produce immediate results, cut your workouts back to four every nine days instead. "
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A properly conducted Heavy Duty workout involves the utilization of weights that allow for up to ten reps to failure. Such is properly referred to as a high-intensity, low-force program, and is quite safe.
Some are reluctant to embark on a high-intensity program because they mistakenly believe that the last rep of a set carried to a point of momentary muscular failure is dangerous. On the contrary. The last rep of a set carried to failure should be the safest because, by the last rep, the trainee is at his weakest, barely able to generate enough force to complete the rep. It is the first few reps, when the trainee is freshest, and able to exert more force than required to move the weight, that are the most dangerous. If, for instance, you are doing a set of Barbell Curls with 100 pounds for ten reps to failure, no rep requires that you exert much more than 100 pounds of force to complete it. On the first few reps, when the individual is fresh, he usually completes them relatively quickly, exerting well above 100 pounds of force. On the last rep, he is barely able to move the weight at all, exerting just enough force to complete it - maybe 101.1 pounds. Therefore, the last rep is the safest so long as proper technique is employed.
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One of the greats.
Say what you want about him but he brought many new innovative thoughts to the world of bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m66.jpg)
Hail to the Mentzer brothers! They were raw power, fantastic BB, and didn't have monster guts! I wish they could still be among us... RIP :'(
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too bad he quit after the 80 olympia...it would have been interesting to see what he could have done.
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I gotta say, Mike was on to something with the heavy duty system. A few years ago I put on about 30 lbs of muscle in 2.5 months (not kidding), no roids, just following mike's philosophy to a T. If I didn't have to diet down and lose all that weight for a bbing show i was doing i'd still have it. But even still kudos to mike's system!
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I gotta say, Mike was on to something with the heavy duty system. A few years ago I put on about 30 lbs of muscle in 2.5 months (not kidding), no roids, just following mike's philosophy to a T. If I didn't have to diet down and lose all that weight for a bbing show i was doing i'd still have it. But even still kudos to mike's system!
I never looked into his system...I read that he'd spend like 11 min on upper body or something like that. I couldnt do that. the gym is the only thing to look forward to each day....that'd suck to go there for about 15 min and thats it like once a week or something!
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I never looked into his system...I read that he'd spend like 11 min on upper body or something like that. I couldnt do that. the gym is the only thing to look forward to each day....that'd suck to go there for about 15 min and thats it like once a week or something!
with a name like jr. yates you should be an expert in HIT.
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I thought Mentzer's physique was awesome, I agree with some of his trainining philosophies but not all of them. A good question to ponder is why Dorian Yates had so many injuries following a similar system to HIT. How can someone tear that many muscles while using perfect form? IMO a system like HIT doesn't allow for enough warm up sets. On the other hand you have someone like Coleman whose form is nowhere near as good as Dorian's on most exercies, he uses more weight and he performs explosive reps, yet his list of injuries is nothing compared to Dorian's. If you look at Coleman's training he also uses one set for maximum intensity with the heaviest weight, the difference is that he will do at least 2 warm up sets before any movement.
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I thought Mentzer's physique was awesome, I agree with some of his trainining philosophies but not all of them. A good question to ponder is why Dorian Yates had so many injuries following a similar system to HIT. How can someone tear that many muscles while using perfect form? IMO a system like HIT doesn't allow for enough warm up sets. On the other hand you have someone like Coleman whose form is nowhere near as good as Dorian's on most exercies, he uses more weight and he performs explosive reps, yet his list of injuries is nothing compared to Dorian's. If you look at Coleman's training he also uses one set for maximum intensity with the heaviest weight, the difference is that he will do at least 2 warm up sets before any movement.
dorian would do multiple warm up sets before his one working set...i wouldnt blame his injuries on HIT.
from what i have heard dorian trained like that all the time...i always admired dorians work ethic but sometimes you have to back off a little.
i think some people are just more prone to injuries than others...ronnie is a freak of nature...i dont think anything could slow him down.
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heres part of an interview with dorian...
[ Q ] Your high intensity, Blood and Guts training has been frequently talked about. What is it about this system that gave you such great results?
It is high intensity training to stimulate growth tempered with rest away from the gym. I think if you look at the way the pros train now you can see the influence this system had on them. In the late 80's people were still training six-times a week, training each body part twice a week.
I came along with a totally different philosophy, which is based on high intensity training. Various people promoted it before: Arthur Jones from Nautilus and Mike Mentzer with Heavy Duty. But I think I came up with a system that was more practical and had an influence on the way everyone trains. I think that is why guys these days are carrying more muscle - they are not in the gym overtraining all the time.
[ Q ] Could you explain this system in a little more detail?
It is the intensity of the exercise that is important not the duration. If you do one set that is adequately intense enough to stimulate any muscle, then you are not going to gain anything, even if you do 99 or 100 such sets. If you do one set that is intense and to failure, then you have triggered the muscle growth.
Doing another set at that point is not going to give you any more. It is just going to make it more difficult for your body to recuperate. So that is the reason for doing fewer sets.
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Thanks jmt1! Great quotes!
Here's a clip from Mike Mentzer's High-Intensity training video.
Lol at the guy after leg presses "I hate you.... I hate you..." hahaha