thanks.
I now see why Bush didn't want to debate him. It's hard, even for diehard repubs, to argue that we're NOT attempting to subjugate the other 191 countries of the world to our policy.
It feels like things are starting to happen really fast in the last few weeks.
Hugo chavez gets applause for insulting Bush in NYC
Hugo accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Hugo starting independent investigation of 911 on behalf of the world.
Iran leader challenges bush to debate.
Iran leader accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Iran leader acts graceful in front of world - would be pretty hard to convince UN, at this point, that diplomacy is no longer an option.
Paki prez musharraf claims we threatened to "bomb pakistan back to the stone age" if we didn't let them invade Afghanistan. Imagine if Mexico threatened to bom the US, if we didn't let them set up military bases in New yyork to invade niagra falls lol...
Does it seem to you guys that suddenly all of these nations are very, very bold? And almost coordinated in their actions to expose and undermine Bush? And the fact that all of these groups have gone out of their way to say they don't hate Americans - just american govt foreign policy.
I'm sorry, did i miss it? Where does he accuse Bush of being behind 9/11? I'm sure i missed it in the transcript above. please show me.
And for that matter where did Hugo do it? please give non CT-web site link
And for that matter where did Hugo do it? please give non CT-web site link
I'm sorry, did i miss it? Where does he accuse Bush of being behind 9/11? I'm sure i missed it in the transcript above. please show me.
And for that matter where did Hugo do it? please give non CT-web site link
It was on the news last week. FOX played it.
jeez man, come on. I must spend 30 minutes a day googling sites for you trying to find on that you'll deem "non-CT". Work with me a bit. You search too :)
Chavez was on Special report with brit hume a few nights ago. I'll look for the transcript. He even pointed out the 8 or 9 second fall times for the towers.
[/quote
Did he say what chavez said?
I googled "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 9/11" and got nothing.......... perhaps i missed it. Or are you interpreting his statements on fox wrong?
Great speech!
He's wanted to meet with Bush so many times, but been turned down every time. How can you have diplomacy and compromise if one side isn't even willing to budge?
Ahmadnejad has been very open about his nation's nuclear program, he's let inspectors in and Iran has signed the nuclear treaty. Notice how that the two major countries who have a problem with Iran's nuclear program are the one's that refuse to sign the treaty.
What Israel and America want from Iran are unreasonable. They want Iran to halt all uranium enrichment, they make no distinction between enrichment for nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons, they just want it stopped. This is absolute bullshit because any nation should have the right to develop something that will advance the lives of their people via a new source of energy.
Irans open hostility towards NATO and the Judeo-Christian world makes any attempt to enrich uranium on their part unreasonable.
you cannot be seriously giving any respect to the iranian pres are you? any one? the man who says israel should be destroyed, who wants america destroyed. there's a common theme with all these leaders being mentioned,,,,whack jobs. whose next in the admiration board? Castro? North Korea? Bin Laden hates Bush Do you support him also? i think Gov't money could be used better to find more oil/alternative fuels. The insurance is crooked as hell and pricing out middle class in S. Florida, there are many things they should focus their efforts on.
Iran has made attempts to be friends and to talk. Recently, it's the western world that's been hostile, threatening strikes and war.
Infact I think the US or Israel will strike within a year.
And why is Iran enriching Uranium unreasonable? They don't have the right to advance their civilization? I'll bet you money that most Pakistani citizens hate the US and the western world, infact Pakistan is a huge breeding ground for terrorism, but since the presiden of Pakistan kisses American ass means he can have nuclear technology and Iran can't? Iran has made it CLEAR that they're only enriching uranium for energy.
If they go back on their promise and start developing ICMBs then I'd see a cause for concern, but what the US is doing now is nothing short of imperialism and isn't helping the war on terror.
I thought it was zog? Black slag? WTF?'we' 'us'??? British isnt a fucking prefix, you black slag
fucking wog puppet of the jew
piss of out of it, sambo!
You can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets filled first.yeah, you wish, bongo lover
All these countries hate us.
So what?
If I had a dollar for every person that'll smile big when I take the dirt nap, I'd be a rich man. part of life is that we don't all like each other. And the leaders who want to get elected in these nations know this, and use the US as a common enemy to talk trash about in order to get into office.
To attack us would be across-the-board suicide. They won't. People have been talking that same noise for 200 years to get into office, and don't act on it.
So what? this isn't the world of internet BB b.s. stop with the conpiracy theories and look at what these contries want to do to us and Israel and Christians/non Muslims. they have been in office, they haven't used it to get elected, they will do more to try and destroy us. Maybe not overt but through financing, backing, supplying those that will carry out the attacks, ie, 9/11. It's proven that Iran supplies and trains terrorists, Hezbollah recently is the best example. They know better than to attack us here for several big reasons, one being we would destroy them. The other is the nuke threat. Maybe not as big a factor as the cold war though.
That line is not the reason Bush was elected, you aren't really saying that that line was the reason he was elected are you? The sooner more people see it and are ready for it the better. this goes beyond politics now. this is the radical leaders ramping up their rhetoric and calling much more than internet discussions and insults.
We do not threaten. We warn against hostile action on Irans part.
Isreal would not strike first. That's the thing about the Isrealis... they actually wait until they're attacked first before striking simply because the world likes to come down on them for doing what any county would do in thier situation... defending themselves.
Pakistan is nowhere near as hostile towards us as Iran. They are also nowhere near the extreme Islamic regime that Iran is. Sounds reasonable to deny them the ability to play with nukes from an American point of view. I'm more worried about America's safety than Irans prosperity. Call me crazy.
That wasn't the case this past summer in Lebanon, ...and it wasn't the case in the when they took out Iraq's reactors.
Then you are crazy. Iran does not have the ability to threaten America's safety, ...and they never will.
What they have the ability to do is to usurp Israel as a regional power.
So what? this isn't the world of internet BB b.s. stop with the conpiracy theories and look at what these contries want to do to us and Israel and Christians/non Muslims. they have been in office, they haven't used it to get elected, they will do more to try and destroy us. Maybe not overt but through financing, backing, supplying those that will carry out the attacks, ie, 9/11. It's proven that Iran supplies and trains terrorists, Hezbollah recently is the best example. They know better than to attack us here for several big reasons, one being we would destroy them. The other is the nuke threat. Maybe not as big a factor as the cold war though.
That line is not the reason Bush was elected, you aren't really saying that that line was the reason he was elected are you? The sooner more people see it and are ready for it the better. this goes beyond politics now. this is the radical leaders ramping up their rhetoric and calling much more than internet discussions and insults.
That was a response to the kidnap of an Isreali soldier... So that WAS the case since Hezbullah committed the first hostile act.
I shouldn't even have to say why Iraq's reactors were taken.
Anyone who doesn't think Saddam started all this shit and the Insurgents keep it going has thier head up thier ass and should defect to Venezuela.
Iran will never threaten us? Ignorance. Be ashamed.
Isreal has every right to pursue terrorists into Lebanon. That IS why they were there. And considering that Hezbullah has more power there than the Gov't Isreal was completely justified.
Isreal, along with the US, does not negotiate with terrorists. You think negotiations with Hezbullah would have yielded a reasonable compromise? Give me a break.
We had every reason to go to Iraq. Saddam started everything. I realize you could give a f**k all for this country and every freedom loving nation and citizen the world over but for those of us living in the reality that people continually do shitty things to one another are glad something was done about it and glad we're STILL doing something about it.
And if you don't think Iran is heading down the same road, think again.
Calling for a complete 911 Investigation isn't a 'conspiracy theory". It's the desire of an American to get the full story behind what allowed 3000 people to die that AM. The 911 COmmission admits their report was very incomplete. I would like to know the truth about just why NORAD failed that day. Wouldn't you?
Bush was elected partly because people didn't like Clinton's continual skirmishes and involvement overseas, and he vowed to stop being the world's policeman. There were other reasons too, of course. Do you think he kept his word about that?
Isreal has every right to pursue terrorists into Lebanon. That IS why they were there. And considering that Hezbullah has more power there than the Gov't Isreal was completely justified.
Isreal, along with the US, does not negotiate with terrorists. You think negotiations with Hezbullah would have yielded a reasonable compromise? Give me a break.
We had every reason to go to Iraq. Saddam started everything.
I realize you could give a f**k all for this country and every freedom loving nation and citizen the world over
but for those of us living in the reality that people continually do shitty things to one another
are glad something was done about it and glad we're STILL doing something about it.
And if you don't think Iran is heading down the same road, think again.
No, questioning specific events is not a conspiracy theory, stating that there is no evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon, when there is ample evidence of a plane, claiming the gov't set explosives to bring down the towers is a conspiracy theater. Pointing people to kook sites with doctored videos and not answering questions when asked and just spouting off rhetoric is also.
And attacking those complicit with attacking us and harboring/training terrorists is not a police action. Haiti, Mogadishu, Bosnia all qualify more as Police actions than Afghanistan and Iraq.
Son, I'm serving right now. I would rather have my kids grow up struggling to make ends meet then struggling to avoid terrorist attacks or chemical weapons.
The fact that the US and our allies have let no country or group (Iraq, Iran, Al-Quada, etc.) get strong enough to wage an all out war against the west is a great big accomplishment on our part by people who think that we should eliminate problems before they become massive problems.
It's indifferent people like yourself... and ignorant people like Jag who halt progress and keep me, my family, and my country that much farther from safety and prosperity and that much closer to danger.
hey brixton who is that msg referred to?
I work no 9 to 5 f**cker. And while you piss heads live in a reality based on CNN some of us have a different vantage point of the world.
Ample evidence? Like a plane, or a video of a plane? We've been shown neither. We've been shown debris which would fit in the back of a truck, a hole which would fit a missile perfectly, and 5 frames of a blurry video.
If you consider that ample evidence, then I'd like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. I'll write the receipt out on a McD napkin and you mail me your $. Cool?
you're a warmonger. Period. You prefer war to diplomacy and sanctions. it's obvious you've never served. Anyone who has served knows that getting shot in your gut in the sands of a country where war could have been avoided, is a shitty way to go. You probably work at the mall, drive a honda, and like war because you want to try to control something in your life, and feel that our missiles pwning some 19th century pricks on that side of the world is a safe way to feel a little power.
Son, I'm serving right now. I would rather have my kids grow up struggling to make ends meet then struggling to avoid terrorist attacks or chemical weapons.
The fact that the US and our allies have let no country or group (Iraq, Iran, Al-Quada, etc.) get strong enough to wage an all out war against the west is a great big accomplishment on our part by people who think that we should eliminate problems before they become massive problems.
It's indifferent people like yourself... and ignorant people like Jag who halt progress and keep me, my family, and my country that much farther from safety and prosperity and that much closer to danger.
I work no 9 to 5 f**cker. And while you piss heads live in a reality based on CNN some of us have a different vantage point of the world.
Monster assumptions. Is that anything like redical Islam slaughtering innocent civilians from NY to Tel-Aviv? Yes, very honorable.
I am from the DC area. I saw the damn scrapes on the ground leading up to the pentagon where the planes engines made contact with the ground before impact. Don't be another idiot. These conspiracy theories are making a fool out of you.
I am from the DC area. I saw the damn scrapes on the ground leading up to the pentagon where the planes engines made contact with the ground before impact.
Weird, because all of the pics taken right after the crash show no scrapes. Those appeared with the fire trucks. Sorry boss.
I am from the DC area. I saw the damn scrapes on the ground leading up to the pentagon where the planes engines made contact with the ground before impact.
I'm a diehard republican & conservative. I just know that 911 was shady and the wars were fruits of this poisoned tree. When you hear evidence on 911, you don't WANT to believe it, because it would mean you're just a f**king pawn in some power play, not a soldier in a necessary war.
You got pwned, alright? Sorry, but the war in afghan was based upon 911, and the taliban offered to turn over bin laden if the US showed any evidence he was involved. They could have used their heads, shown the proof they claimed they had, and got bin laden in a pine box with not one life lost. Why would they prefer war when not needed?
And Iraq - we went because of WMD, right? No. Now, we went because we wanted to liberate the iraqis? Um, why is that our job.
I'm sorry, but you are a cog in the war machine. A small # of people are getting rich off your risks. I love my country and I support my govt, but both wars were predicated on lies. I'm sorry if that hurts you to hear it, and I invite you to cuss me out and scream "conspiracy" if you want, but facts is facts, soldier. I pray you get home safe and we can debate this when you're no longer under these unnecessary stressors.
Ample evidence? Like a plane, or a video of a plane? We've been shown neither. We've been shown debris which would fit in the back of a truck, a hole which would fit a missile perfectly, and 5 frames of a blurry video.
If you consider that ample evidence, then I'd like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. I'll write the receipt out on a McD napkin and you mail me your $. Cool?
you're a warmonger. Period. You prefer war to diplomacy and sanctions. it's obvious you've never served. Anyone who has served knows that getting shot in your gut in the sands of a country where war could have been avoided, is a shitty way to go. You probably work at the mall, drive a honda, and like war because you want to try to control something in your life, and feel that our missiles pwning some 19th century pricks on that side of the world is a safe way to feel a little power.
My ass.... I SAW them. They weren't fucking tire tracks you idiot. But go on with the Kool-Aid.
Thanks for the pics. But of course they don't show that about 1/8th of a mile a way are clear scrapes fitting the exact specs of the two engines on that flight. I never said they were right up against the building.
We were originally told that the pentagon lawn had been hit by a plane. Just listen to what the reports of this horrible crash had to say...
"Some eyewitnesses believe the plane actually hit the ground at the base of the Pentagon first, and then skidded into the building." - CBS
"...it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames...But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like." - CNN
EDIT - IS this guy full of shit, or what??????????????
"What -- or who -- caused Flight 77 to hit ground first, diffusing most of its destructive energy before it slammed into the Pentagon?" - ESPN / MSN
"According to one witness, 'what looked like a 747' plowed into the south side of the Pentagon, possibly skipping through a heliport before it hit the building." - Stars and Stripes
[/quote
Inertia Quite the concept.
Eye witnesses that SAW a plane hit the building...... another concept
Inertia Quite the concept.
Explain what you mean. I don't see a fucked up lawn. Do you?
Eye witnesses that SAW a plane hit the building...... another concept
I'm showing you pictures of an unharmed lawn, which directly refute not only eyewitness statements, but officially issued govt statements about the plane hitting the lawn. Do you believe the witness on CNN who said that the entire plane exploded on the lawn, or do you believe the pics taken from many reporters, right after the hit, which shows a perfectly green lawn?
Inertia Quite the concept.
Explain what you mean. I don't see a fucked up lawn. Do you?
Eye witnesses that SAW a plane hit the building...... another concept
I'm showing you pictures of an unharmed lawn, which directly refute not only eyewitness statements, but officially issued govt statements about the plane hitting the lawn. Do you believe the witness on CNN who said that the entire plane exploded on the lawn, or do you believe the pics taken from many reporters, right after the hit, which shows a perfectly green lawn?
I posted quotes from the media and govt represetatives which very clearly state that THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON LAWN.
Then, I posted pics which clearly show these people were lying.
And you throw out the NIST report.
please adress the discrepencies. Did the plane hit the lawn, or didn't it?
where are all the witness statements? photos? are they hiding them? did they destroy them? why can't anyone find a statement regarding the missile that hit the pentagon?
or the photos of the plane you mentioned that people saw near the pentagon and tower 2? (sorry if it wasnt on this thread, i'm really tired) why are you avoiding the NIST report? where are the 95% of politicians that you believe do the right thing? Fed, state local politicians?
It's bullshit. And somewhere in your little minds you know that what's in front of your face is the truth. It's ugly, it's not what you want to see but nevertheless what happened. No 911 commission, no CNN, no 911truth BS will change it.
So you saw engine marks on the lawn that none of the pictures or video evidence was able to pick up?
Good eyesight, homie ;)
I was there. The pictures you provide are too close to be what the shit I was talking about in the first place. Good logic, homie.
Okay.
The engines were 24 inches from the ground when the plane hit at 520 MPH.
Despite this, they left no burn marks on the lawn.
Since you saw burn marks, the plane must have been closer to thr ground than 24 inches.
And since the govt tells us that the plane dropped from the sky, skimmed traffic at about 8 feet off the ground, then dropped to an altitude of 2 feet before hitting, we know the burns you saw couldn't have been made on it's final approach.
So we have one of two possibilities:
The marks you saw were from something else, OR
The Boeing 757 made an earlier appraoch, undetected by any cameras, radar, and people, in which it actually dropped to less than 24 inches off the ground, then did another lap and returned for that miraculous 24-inch dive.
gotcha. didn't mean to be so sarcastiec on ya.
For me, the early reports were very telling. When the first reporters arrived on the scene, they reported two bomb blasts. Nothing at all about a plane. Fox reporters went close, looked in the hole, and reported that they saw zero evidence of any plane, only a bomb. These are reporters who worked in the pentagon, and who had probably seen many plane crash scenes in their years of media work.
They just saw zero plane. Whatever the official story says later, it's the people on the scene first who are the most honest ones.
ALSO-
Early reports are the true info that you get before everyone is given the official storyline to follow. When the first chopper on the scene for the Flight 93 crash arrived on the scene, they did a flyover the crash site, and that big plane-shaped hole was actually empty. Just dirt. They couldn't find a plane, and incidentally just filmed that big empty hole while looking.
An hour later we had 30 guys in FEMA suits, surrounding the hole examining "evidence". The guys stood around the hole for hours, just looking at what the early camera showed was an empty hole.
My own take is that the 30 guys were supposed to look official for the later cameras, and that they didn't know the local camera crew had gotten that shot.
I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that it was a plane. You will believe what you choose. But as someone who claims to be conservative I think you should re examine your sources of information that lead you to your conclusion. IMO.
I believe a plane was there - and I believe that the burns you saw could very well have been from the plane. The CITGO parking lot guy - who has been under a gag order but just said "f**k it - can't keep quiet anymore" :) - is going to be featured on the Loose Change DVD coming out in the spring. He describes a very big plane skimming over the building then doing a fast climb. Right as the plane passes over the building, the massive bomb blast occurs. he said it came form a different direction than the official story - something about a canopy of a base 1 mile from the pentagon?
That same plane was spotted flying over the pentagon minutes later (I can pull up pics if you want) by multiple tv stations. Weird story abut that plane. It took off, actually 5 minutes AFTER the no-fly ban went into effect. Story is that it happened to be in DC, then happened to be photographed in Shanksville shortly afterwards.
I believe that plane skimmed the pentagon for all the witnesses. Then it climbed and was caught by a few cameras. It was then sent to Shanksville. I don't know what happened there. maybe it observed, maybe it droped garbage//debris, who knows.
You can't believe a darn thing any CITGO gas pump jockey has to say. CITGO is a Venezuelan company, ...and we all know Hugo Chavez has a bone to pick with thedevil, president. He's just looking to move up in the corporation, ...maybe he'll get promoted to fries. :P Not a credible source. NEXT!
Absolute garbage... another made up story. Can't wait. I can't believe people buy into this nonsense.
Hey man, the reporters were all there when it happened, the whole pentagon press corps. They just didn't see a plane. They bugged the penta speaker for days, asking for any pics showing a plane. They just told them no and that was it.
hey man, let's just look at it this way =- I'll play devil's advocate... from a utilitarian, PNAC standpoint, and def not my own opinion:
The US did a little shady shit on 911, but in the long run it was worth it. We secured the infrastructure to be in a good spot for the future afghan-iran-iraq oil pipeline, and our economy is better for it. The taliban was about to sell its oil pipeline rights to the EU, and iraq/iran would have done that next. That would really leave us screwed - buying our oil with a Euro surcharge would put it at $6 a gallon and cripple our economy.
So come on, we minimized life lost on 9/11, we made the world safer, and we secured our futures. 300 million people will live better for the next 100 years thanks to the loss of those 3000. Worth it in the long run, right?
Can you see how someone in power just might justify this?
Hey man, the reporters were all there when it happened, the whole pentagon press corps. They just didn't see a plane. They bugged the penta speaker for days, asking for any pics showing a plane. They just told them no and that was it.
hey man, let's just look at it this way =- I'll play devil's advocate... from a utilitarian, PNAC standpoint, and def not my own opinion:
The US did a little shady shit on 911, but in the long run it was worth it. We secured the infrastructure to be in a good spot for the future afghan-iran-iraq oil pipeline, and our economy is better for it. The taliban was about to sell its oil pipeline rights to the EU, and iraq/iran would have done that next. That would really leave us screwed - buying our oil with a Euro surcharge would put it at $6 a gallon and cripple our economy.
So come on, we minimized life lost on 9/11, we made the world safer, and we secured our futures. 300 million people will live better for the next 100 years thanks to the loss of those 3000. Worth it in the long run, right?
Can you see how someone in power just might justify this?
It's obvious you will go out of your way to conjure up anything to cling to other than the obvious and most likely story. I guess you just can't reason with unreasonable people. Good luck winning the hearts and minds of....... someone.
Because the footage might send secret messages to terrorists silly. :P
Because if you test the debris, and it comes back positive for explosive, ...it might teach the terrorists how to take down skyscrapers? Gee 240, ...you're not very bright. :P
I know. Luckily, there are kids on here who remember seeing the towers fall while in the 8th grade who know more about this topic than I do. They are very eager to drop insults to refute the evidence which I present.
These are reporters who worked in the pentagon, and who had probably seen many plane crash scenes in their years of media work.
if iran gets nukes, they would soon be in terrorist hands
Iran isn't seeking nuclear weapons.
Excuse me... but did they call you to reassure you that isn't where they plan on taking this in the future? I'm just wondering... I didn't get that call.
No they didn't, ...I highly doubt they ever will either. However, there are instruments in place to monitor their activities. IATA inspectors, UN inspectors. They work. Iran has completely co-operated with all of them. They cannot start a weapons programs without detection. Those days are long gone. Energy is wealth. And a modern Iran capable of meeting it's present and future energy needs tips the balance of power in the middle east. For those with imperialistic designs on the region, that is unthinkable.
Are these the same UN inspectors that were powerless against stonewalling Iraqi guards at almost every suspected weapons cache in Iraq before the war, either Iraq war for that matter? I hope not. The UN is a socialist organisation and it is worthless, powerless, and completely against any form of real action.
Are these the same UN inspectors that were powerless against stonewalling Iraqi guards at almost every suspected weapons cache in Iraq before the war, either Iraq war for that matter? I hope not. The UN is a socialist organisation and it is worthless, powerless, and completely against any form of real action.
jaguarenterprises, it's IAEA. Not IATA.
YIP
Zack
Jag,
THANK YOU for breaking all that down. I follow the news religiously but I had no clue as to some of that. As always, I challenge anyone who wants to insult you, to produce proof that you are incorrect in anything you wrote.
What saddens me - perhaps more than the way we've been lied to - is that there are blind people who will read this, this morning, and instead of opening their eyes to the possibility that invading Iraq was a lie, they'll call you a liberal.
Well, thanks for being honest with us. Our media won't. Our gov't won't.
People who hate jag - read thru that paragraph nice and slowly. She knows things that we don't.
Jag,
THANK YOU for breaking all that down. I follow the news religiously but I had no clue as to some of that.
As always, I challenge anyone who wants to insult you, to produce proof that you are incorrect in anything you wrote.
What saddens me - perhaps more than the way we've been lied to - is that there are blind people who will read this, this morning, and instead of opening their eyes to the possibility that invading Iraq was a lie, they'll call you a liberal.
Well, thanks for being honest with us. Our media won't. Our gov't won't.
People who hate jag - read thru that paragraph nice and slowly. She knows things that we don't.
Are you aware how the whole UN debacle went down? The fact is there were known US spies that Iraq didn't want in their country, They demanded certain sites be searched including many of Saddams private residences, and stated that if they were not given access to these areas, they would bomb Iraq. What did they think... that he was experimenting with nuclear materials in the master bedroom of the presidential palace? The CIA and many others had over the years developed a psychological profile of Saddam and knew damned well how he would react to ultimatums and demands. He has always been a consistent man. Look at him today... defiant right to the end. They concluded that Saddam would never capitulate. In addition, the US was (publicly) all for the UN making the decision to bomb or not, ...until they bugged the UN in order to determine how certain delegates felt. You may not have heard about it where you are, but I can assure you it was a HUGE scandal and HUGE embarrassment for the USA that they were caught spying on the UN. Then Saddam surprised the crap out of Bush and the neoCons with their pants down by saying "OK, come on in, you have carte blanche to go through everywhere including my private residences." Betcha didn't hear much about that did you? That's when Bush immediately declared the UN was irrelevant Saddam was not handing over his WMD's and a mushroom cloud could go off any day now. The rest of the world was furious because Saddam had agreed to every condition laid out not only by IATA, but also by Bush, and even in the face of that Bush and the neoCons still went ahead and bombed anyway. To this day, not even the US has been able to turn over any WMDs in Iraq. Does that mean they should be bombed too? ::)
The big problem was not the WMD and the eminent mushroom cloud about to appear over NYC or any other major US city, that was the lie fed to the American public to justify a war of aggression. ...it was Husseins desire to trade his oil in Euros, along with the increasing collapse of Enron that caused the imperative. The Afghan pipeline wasn't getting in place fast enough, and Enron needed the money. They had been cooking the books for too long to keep it up any longer. The wars may have come too late to save Enron, but there were still massive profits to be gained and unsweeping global power to be had. And control over vast oil resources that could be traded in $USD to artificially prop up the demand for a currency worth even less than the Euro and dropping every day. Iraq met every single demand of the USA that was in it's power to do. The one demand they couldn't meet was producing the WMD's because it didn't have any. Bush knew it, Cheney knew it, Powell knew it, and Rice and Rumsfeld knew it. They were only quoted 2 months prior to 911 saying Iraq was not a threat either to it's neighbours or to the USA, and did not have the capacity to attack anyone. Do you think that with ALL eyes upon him, that he could have developed Nuclear capabilities within 2 months? The former head of the Iraqi nuclear program lives right here in Toronto. He has spoken out about the truth of it's destruction to anyone who will listen. World leaders, and intelligence groups around the world knew that was the case. The only ones who maintained otherwise were those who were using it to justify the impending invasion, ...and it was repeated ad infinitum over and over again in the US media. It was crazy. They had the US population quaking with such fear, one person yells out the name bin Laden in a Chicago nightclub, and a stampede ensues killing how many people? Your population is being played and manipulated like puppets by your own government. And until the US population wakes up to false flag attacks, and to the criminal cabal in control of their government, ...it is going to continue. Your sons, daughters, fathers, brothers etc are not dying for America, they are dying for corporate power & profit. If that angers you, I'm glad. It should anger you and every patriotic American, that your fellow Americans can be so badly betrayed by her government, and used and abused, and tossed aside in a manner so callous and so unworthy of their sacrifice, ...and then to make them and their future offspring pay for it? It should piss you off to no end. It pisses me off ...and I'm not even American. >:(
You all keep demanding PROOF that 911 was a self-inflicted wound. If not definative proof, then a smoking gun.
Why the hell should you need a smoking gun to do a proper and thorough investigation? Is that not what a proper and thorough investigation would show... clear evidence of either a self-inflicted wound, ...or clear evidence of an outside terrorist attack? Why wait for a smoking gun? With the growing wave of people disbelieving the official 911 story, and the growing disapproval of Bush and his policies, ...you don't want the smoking gun of another self-inflicted wound to come in the form of a mushroom cloud do you? :o
cheap shot I know, ...but it sure worked like a charm the first time it was trotted out... I figured what the heck. :P
Speaking of doing a thurough investigation... The 911 commission didn't investigate into the 90's during Clintons presidency. Funny... what were they NOT trying to find?
Nice story. I wonder how many Leftist websites and CT think tanks you've visited since 911 to produce such a load of horse shit. Good story though.
You guys go ahead and keep on with your "I question the current admin so I must be an independant thinker" crusade. I will have no part of falsehoods and nonsense.
You're making this political. It's fine that you hate Clinton, but don't let it blind you to the evidence. The 911 Commission had no money and no time to complete their investigation. They claimed they didn't have time to interview injured fireman and WTC employees who claimed bombs were going off all over the building. They certainly didn't have time to go back to the Clinton era to look around - but I would definitely support investigating this time period as well, in the second investigation, if it held clues to what exactly happened on 9/11.
I will give you $1 for every error that you can prove in what jag wrote, up to $20. I will need sources of course.
You sound like you don't really have a lot of courage. We're not questioning the current admin - we're questioning the official 911 report. If a new investigation shows they did something wrong, let's find out.
Brixton, if there was proof that 911 was an inside job, would you even want to see it?
Blind to what evidence? A Citgo employee? CNN speculation? Please.
What errors? Who the f**k was she referencing?? See above.
Yeah right, I have no courage. I'm on this board alone defending my side and even if I'm not being taken seriously I'm not afraid to tell you that you're spouting bullshit. I'm all about finding out. But until hard evidence is presenting stop making huge assumptions based on conjecture and an already biased and scandal hungry media.