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Baby Dies in Bucket of Mom's Vomit
Sep 22 3:58 PM US/Eastern
By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - A baby died after rolling off a bed and falling into a bucket of her teenage mother's vomit at a homeless shelter, police said.
The mother, Savarin DeJesus, 18, was charged with criminally negligent homicide and endangering the welfare of a child, and could get five years behind bars.
Click here (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/22/D8KA41080.html) for the rest of the story.
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How sad. :'(
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How depressing... it's an atrocitie this shit is allowed to happen.
I know it costs money to monitor these down and out teenage mothers, but isn't it worth it?
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What a sad story and a sad reflection on todays society in which so many young 'girls' are having babies, when they are hardly able to look after themselves let alone a baby
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I know it costs money to monitor these down and out teenage mothers, but isn't it worth it?
Isn't that already on the table in the UK? Some kind of "super nanny' idea? Since no one is educating these girls on birth control and they can't, or won't, consider abortion, perhaps the govt should step in.
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Isn't that already on the table in the UK? Some kind of "super nanny' idea? Since no one is educating these girls on birth control and they can't, or won't, consider abortion, perhaps the govt should step in.
Just make them unable to have kids.
It's an unfair burden on the tax payer. Why should I have to pay for this shit? I'm sick of paying for other peoples mistakes, ideologies etc etc...
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If I'm not mistaken they tried that in Nazi Germany a little bit ago, and it didn't exactly work out. I believe at the turn of the 20th century, there was a movement like that in the States. Also didn't work out because of course, you are infringing on the freedoms that a democracy espouses. If only the religious among us would worry more about what ends up in the world, rather than what doesn't... also, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that this girl a) had no education regarding birth control, b) had a stringently catholic upbringing so abortion was not an option and c) was probably thrown into the street when she became pregnant.
(High taxes are a bummer, but they do result in the streets being safer and cleaner.)
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If I'm not mistaken they tried that in Nazi Germany a little bit ago, and it didn't exactly work out. I believe at the turn of the 20th century, there was a movement like that in the States. Also didn't work out because of course, you are infringing on the freedoms that a democracy espouses. If only the religious among us would worry more about what ends up in the world, rather than what doesn't... also, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that this girl a) had no education regarding birth control, b) had a stringently catholic upbringing so abortion was not an option and c) was probably thrown into the street when she became pregnant.
(High taxes are a bummer, but they do result in the streets being safer and cleaner.)
haha :P
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haha :P
Haha meaning I have a small point... or I'm a dumbass. :)
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I think that ordering castration is wrong for so many reasons.
A more viable solution along your line of thinking, might be to offer a financial incentive to the babymaking poor, to get their tubes tied. If an unemployed single woman with 2 kids, aged 18, were offered $10k to get her tubes tied, she might do it. The money could be used for the kids/her education, and it would be far cheaper than supporting her NEXT 3 kids with welfare for the next 18 years.
Of course there would be abuses...
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Haha meaning I have a small point... or I'm a dumbass. :)
You have a point :-[
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Sterilisation for all the messed up fools who are not able to care for themselves, let alone for offspring.
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How depressing... it's an atrocitie this shit is allowed to happen.
I know it costs money to monitor these down and out teenage mothers, but isn't it worth it?
This is common in NYC. Black and hispanic mothers mishandling or even sometimes beating their children to death.
Look up Nixmary Brown, hearing about that little girl brought tears to my eyes.
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CJ, I'm surprised you would make a comment like that.
I can assure you irresponsible teenage mothers come in all shapes, sizes and even races.
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yes, but much more among blacks in this country. its a fact
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And this is an issue of race, ...or poverty?
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And this is an issue of race, ...or poverty?
poverty, no doubt, but race plays a part.
blacks, whites and hispanics that live in poverty have much higher rates of child mishandling because they're the one's with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy. These teenagers are kids themselves, so how can they raise a child sucessfully?
You seldom hear of indian and asian groups mishandling their kids.
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poverty, no doubt, but race plays a part.
blacks, whites and hispanics that live in poverty have much higher rates of child mishandling because they're the one's with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy. These teenagers are kids themselves, so how can they raise a child sucessfully?
You seldom hear of indian and asian groups mishandling their kids.
Then it's an issue of poverty not race.
Furthermore, this was not a case of a woman mishandling her child. It was a case of a girl passing out, and her baby falling into a bucket of vomit. Let's not forget, she was in a homeless shelter. Had she been in a stable home environment with a crib for her baby, the baby would not have gotten into the bucket. It's tragic, ...but I don't know if it's a case of criminally negligent homicide.
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poverty, no doubt, but race plays a part.
blacks, whites and hispanics that live in poverty have much higher rates of child mishandling because they're the one's with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy. These teenagers are kids themselves, so how can they raise a child sucessfully?
You seldom hear of indian and asian groups mishandling their kids.
Female infanticide is still rampant in India. 20 out of every 100 is aborted. Isn't killing as bad as mishandling?
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Female infanticide is still rampant in India. 20 out of every 100 is aborted. Isn't killing as bad as mishandling?
I'm talking about Indians and Asians that live in the western world, genius.
How is abortion killing? ::)
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Is it at all possible to have a discussion without insulting someone who has not insulted you first?
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Is it at all possible to have a discussion without insulting someone who has not insulted you first?
Apparently not. But how could I possibly compete with such statistically valid brilliance as this:
u seldom hear of indian and asian groups mishandling their kids.
::)
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How is abortion killing? ::)
They were 3 separate thoughts. I don't think abortion is killing. But if you don't think sex-selective abortion is f*cked up, then you are a moron.
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I believe in abortion & natural selection
;D
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I don't think abortion is killing.
Why not?
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Do you have about 3 hours? :)
Perhaps I should qualify my statement a little. I simply don't believe early abortion (6 weeks pregnant or less) is killing a living, viable human being. This is mostly the gist of my feelings about this in a nutshell. I have huge misgivings about later term abortions. I don't see anything wrong with the Morning After pill, other than it might encourage some girls to be irresponsible. I believe women who want their children will instinctively have a connection from the start, whereas those who don't/are desperate have none...meaning I believe the connection is purely psychological. (There's a thread about this on the Open Girl Discussion board.) I just don't think children should be brought into the world to die at 4 months in a bucket of vomit.
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I've seen alot of unwanted & disfunctional kids....
I say abort them all if you don't want them
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Do you have about 3 hours? :)
Perhaps I should qualify my statement a little. I simply don't believe early abortion (6 weeks pregnant or less) is killing a living, viable human being. This is mostly the gist of my feelings about this in a nutshell. I have huge misgivings about later term abortions. I don't see anything wrong with the Morning After pill, other than it might encourage some girls to be irresponsible. I believe women who want their children will instinctively have a connection from the start, whereas those who don't/are desperate have none...meaning I believe the connection is purely psychological. (There's a thread about this on the Open Girl Discussion board.) I just don't think children should be brought into the world to die at 4 months in a bucket of vomit.
Sure. I'll start the meter. Where do I send the bill? :)
Thanks for the response. Having gone through four pregnancies . . . vicariously, I have trouble not considering the baby a baby at all stages. The heart beats and limbs are formed in the first trimester. Tough issue.
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Very tough... and I believe that 99% of women who can financially take care of a child and/or are in loving relationships wouldn't have one. I do think abortions should be available to desperate, impoverished women who are alone, drug-addicted, etc., since there is nothing awaiting their children but a future of squalor and misery...or death by abuse or neglect. Then there are those women who have been raped, or the older ones who thought they couldn't get pregnant anymore...etc...
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Very tough... and I believe that 99% of women who can financially take care of a child and/or are in loving relationships wouldn't have one. I do think abortions should be available to desperate, impoverished women who are alone, drug-addicted, etc., since there is nothing awaiting their children but a future of squalor and misery...or death by abuse or neglect. Then there are those women who have been raped, or the older ones who thought they couldn't get pregnant anymore...etc...
I think women that are raped shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion
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Lol, Knny, what is with you tonight? :P
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Lol, Knny, what is with you tonight? :P
I just feel bastards are an exception
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I think women that are raped shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion
That's like saying people who are infected with a disease should not be allowed to cure themselves.
No i don't think a child is a disease, but i do believe women should have the right over their own bodies.
To violate a woman's body against her will is bad enough, ....but to force her to not have control over that body, by then carrying a child to term, and them having to raise it, permanently altering her life is unconscionable.
I don't believe there is anything wrong with using technology to prevent an egg from attaching itself to the uterus which is what the morning after pill does. It's mechanism is no different from an IUD. within hours of a rape, it is NOT a child, not a baby, but a clump of maybe 12 cells. The horrendous crime would be to force that woman, to maintain the seed of that prick within her.
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no Judy.....
Bastardos have rights too
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well shelters in nyc usually have cribs for babies...now wether in this case i dont know but god help the dcf agency and the shelter if they didnt..not that its their responsability to do so..and most shelters have a curfew but its funny i know a girl that was in a shelter and might have been the same one that they didnt have a curfew..and she liked to party too..most have a midnight curfew and if u aint back your shit out of luck...
poor kid...but shame on the mom...
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This is common in NYC. Black and hispanic mothers mishandling or even sometimes beating their children to death.
Look up Nixmary Brown, hearing about that little girl brought tears to my eyes.
camel jockey..that story is soooooo sad..at the time i was living in the lower east side..and a popular mural artist did a huge mural on avenue c and 6th st..many people left stuffed animals and flowers and candles in front of it...
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i honestly dont think many women know about how most states have safe haven laws..drop them off at a fire or police station or hospital...yeesh...
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i honestly dont think many women know about how most states have safe haven laws..drop them off at a fire or police station or hospital...yeesh...
you sound experienced....
tell us about that
;D
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The talk about rape, incest, etc. is sort of a red herring. The overwhelming majority of abortions are a form of birth control.
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Some info regarding who's having them...
At the time most women have an abortion they already have a child. Half
have had a previous abortion.
The argument that abortion is widely used as a method of birth control is not borne
out by the data. Slightly over half of those having an abortion will have only one. Of the
remaining group that has had more than one abortion, more than half will have only
two. It is more likely that a woman who has an abortion has already had a previous birth
than a previous abortion.
• 61% of women who have an abortion have had a prior birth
• 48% of women who have an abortion have had a previous abortion.xviii xix
http://www.third-way.com/data/product/file/17/demographics_of_abortion.pdf#search=%22abortion%20%2B%20statistics%20%2B%20who%20is%20having%20them%22
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prevention is better than the cure
. . . and sometimes the cure comes at too high a price.
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prevention is better than the cure
. . . and sometimes the cure comes at too high a price.
Of course... and usually it's a last recourse. Statistics also indicate 51% of women who have had an abortion were using some method of birth control at the time.
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Of course... and usually it's a last recourse. Statistics also indicate 51% of women who have had an abortion were using some method of birth control at the time.
seems like a lot of people don't use it right though. you think you'd be careful about something like that.
All I know is that if I was a woman and had an unplanned pregnancy, I really wouldn't know what to do. I'd probably keep the baby, but I have a good support system. can't imagine going through a pregnancy w/o some kind of serious assistance.
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Maybe the trick is to be on the Pill, but make him wear five layers of condoms on top of that anyway... :)
I wouldn't have one either, but I also have a support system and the financial wherewithal, whereas many women don't.
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Some info regarding who's having them...
At the time most women have an abortion they already have a child. Half
have had a previous abortion.
The argument that abortion is widely used as a method of birth control is not borne
out by the data. Slightly over half of those having an abortion will have only one. Of the
remaining group that has had more than one abortion, more than half will have only
two. It is more likely that a woman who has an abortion has already had a previous birth
than a previous abortion.
• 61% of women who have an abortion have had a prior birth
• 48% of women who have an abortion have had a previous abortion.xviii xix
http://www.third-way.com/data/product/file/17/demographics_of_abortion.pdf#search=%22abortion%20%2B%20statistics%20%2B%20who%20is%20having%20them%22
From the same article:
"While there are many reasons and circumstances that may lead a woman or a couple
to choose an abortion, the overwhelming fact is that when a pregnancy is unplanned,
abortion is the likely outcome. Abortions based on rape, incest, life of the mother, or
abnormality of the fetus are uncommon. Reducing the number of unwanted
pregnancies by 10% would eliminate more abortions in three days than would banning
late term abortions over the course of a full year."
Sounds like birth control to me.
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Maybe the trick is to be on the Pill, but make him wear five layers of condoms on top of that anyway... :)
On a serious note, never "double bag." the friction weakens the latex and makes it more prone to tearing. :)
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On a serious note, never "double bag." the friction weakens the latex and makes it more prone to tearing. :)
Lol, I didn't know there was a term for it, but I'll keep that in mind. :)
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Sounds like birth control to me.
Birth control implies that women are having multiple abortions in lieu of using condoms, IUD, the Pill... the majority of women have only one in a lifetime.
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Lol, I didn't know there was a term for it, but I'll keep that in mind. :)
glad to be of help. :)
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Birth control implies that women are having multiple abortions in lieu of using condoms, IUD, the Pill... the majority of women have only one in a lifetime.
Birth control is the regulation of the number of children born by whatever means. The fact a woman has one abortion, solely because she does not want to have a baby, when not for health reasons, rape, incest, etc. is a form of birth control. Like the article says, most women have an abortion because they didn't want to get pregnant or have a baby, not because of rape, incest, etc. That's actually textbook birth control.
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Okay, I'll give you that. I thought you were using the term as a synonym for contraception.
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Okay, I'll give you that. I thought you were using the term as a synonym for contraception.
Isn't it? Woman takes the pill because she doesn't want to get pregnant or have a baby. Woman gets an abortion because she doesn't want to get pregnant or have a baby.
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Isn't it? Woman takes the pill because she doesn't want to get pregnant or have a baby. Woman gets an abortion because she doesn't want to get pregnant or have a baby.
No contraception is not the same thing. Contraception is a preventative, ...something that prevents conception. An abortion is something that can only occur after conception has already taken place.
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No contraception is not the same thing. Contraception is a preventative, ...something that prevents conception. An abortion is something that can only occur after conception has already taken place.
And they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy.
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And they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy.
If you were a woman, I don't know how quickly you would say that. There's a whole world of difference between preventing a pregnancy and having to go through the emotional anguish as well as physical discomfort of an abortion.
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I say.....
stick a fork in it
;D
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If you were a woman, I don't know how quickly you would say that. There's a whole world of difference between preventing a pregnancy and having to go through the emotional anguish as well as physical discomfort of an abortion.
As I said to the doctor while he was delivering my son (child number 3) during a very bloody delivery, "thank God I'm not a woman."
I agree there is a world of difference from a psychological standpoint between popping a birth control pill and having an abortion. But I don't see how you classify most abortions as anything other than the termination of an unwanted pregnancy, which really isn't any different than preventing an unwanted pregnancy by taking a pill. They're both forms of birth control. They both prevent/terminate unwanted pregnancies. We're kinda going around in circles.
:)
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As I said to the doctor while he was delivering my son (child number 3) during a very bloody delivery, "thank God I'm not a woman."
I agree there is a world of difference from a psychological standpoint between popping a birth control pill and having an abortion. But I don't see how you classify most abortions as anything other than the termination of an unwanted pregnancy, which really isn't any different than preventing an unwanted pregnancy by taking a pill. They're both forms of birth control. They both prevent/terminate unwanted pregnancies. We're kinda going around in circles.
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Yes, I guess we'll have to agree we agree on the basics, but disagree on semantics. To me the word "terminate" when speaking of abortion is the same as the word "cure," and I don't believe prevention and cure are interchangeable. :) Or, sort of like the difference between upkeeping your car so it runs smoothly, and fixing it when it's broke.
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Yes, I guess we'll have to agree we agree on the basics, but disagree on semantics. To me the word "terminate" when speaking of abortion is the same as the word "cure," and I don't believe prevention and cure are interchangeable. :) Or, sort of like the difference between upkeeping your car so it runs smoothly, and fixing it when it's broke.
Hey imagine that. We disagree and you didn't even insult me, call me names, talk about my mother . . . Feels weird. :)
Kidding of course.
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Is it at all possible to have a discussion without insulting someone who has not insulted you first?
Absolutley not. It is usually my intent to talk about bodybuilding but i always somehow end up defending blacks and latinos (of which i am both). It never fails.
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And they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy.
If that's your position, ...you would have to argue against the concept of abstinance for your little girls,
...after all "they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
Sheesh, ...why can't men just admit when they're wrong rather than trying to justify every misstep? ::)
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If that's your position, ...you would have to argue against the concept of abstinance for your little girls,
...after all "they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
Sheesh, ...why can't men just admit when they're wrong rather than trying to justify every misstep? ::)
alice, go back to wonderland.
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If that's your position, ...you would have to argue against the concept of abstinance for your little girls,
...after all "they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
Sheesh, ...why can't men just admit when they're wrong rather than trying to justify every misstep? ::)
There is nothing wrong with birth control per se. Abstinence is a form a birth control. The best form actually. Abstinence is what I teach my teenaged daughters. So your point is?
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There is nothing wrong with birth control per se. Abstinence is a form a birth control. The best form actually. Abstinence is what I teach my teenaged daughters. So your point is?
So then that would make abstinence a form of abortion no?
...since they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
I thought you were against abortion?
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So then that would make abstinence a form of abortion no?
...since they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
I thought you were against abortion?
I told you guys that Jag is a mini-Hugo Chavez, and here is irrefutable proof. Lolo.
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So then that would make abstinence a form of abortion no?
...since they both accomplish the same thing: preventing and/or terminating an unwanted pregnancy."
I thought you were against abortion?
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Taking the pill, abortion, and abstinence are all ways to prevent and/or terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Neither abstinence nor taking the pill are abortion. Al-G is right: that sounds lolo to me.
:)
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Taking the pill, abortion, and abstinence are all ways to prevent and/or terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Neither abstinence nor taking the pill are abortion. Al-G is right: that sounds lolo to me.
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It is lolo... however it would have to be the case... based on your definition which I quoted for you.
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It is lolo... however it would have to be the case... based on your definition which I quoted for you.
No it wouldn't. I just explained it to you. That's your interpretation of my comments, which I disagreed with. Taking the pill is not abortion. Neither is abstinence.
And I never said I was "against abortion." I've never expressed an opinion about that one way or the other. You simply made an assumption. It's a very complicated issue. I see some black and white (e.g., whether an unborn child is actually a baby--yes), but lots of gray (e.g., balancing the protection of the baby with the woman's bodily integrity issue).
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No it wouldn't. I just explained it to you. That's your interpretation of my comments, which I disagreed with. Taking the pill is not abortion. Neither is abstinence.
And I never said I was "against abortion." I've never expressed an opinion about that one way or the other. You simply made an assumption. It's a very complicated issue. I see some black and white (e.g., whether an unborn child is actually a baby--yes), but lots of gray (e.g., balancing the protection of the baby with the woman's bodily integrity issue).
Fair enough. I could be reading more into it than was actually said.
I admittedly have issues with people who assume the 'morning after pill' is an abortion pill, and that it will be used as a form of contraception or abortion. They clearly do not undertand how it works. IMO the morning after pill is NOT an abortion and should not be considered to be one.