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Title: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on September 30, 2006, 09:38:14 PM: Anybody else find it quite interesting that immediately during his speech, Jay goes into "company man" mode.

Were the IFBB looking for a more able, pro IFBB vocal Mr Olympia?

Stand by for 10 pages of conspiracy theories via 240.

Cue..... 240
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: ali23 on September 30, 2006, 09:39:15 PM: Quote from: rocket on September 30, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
Anybody else find it quite interesting that immediately during his speech, Jay goes into "company man" mode.

Were the IFBB looking for a more able, pro IFBB vocal Mr Olympia?

Stand by for 10 pages of conspiracy theories via 240.

Cue..... 240

I think your just setting yourself up to get made fun of... In page 3 someones gonna say that gay thread starter had it coming by starting a retarded thread like this.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:40:03 PM: definitely seems to be a political move, jay was not the clearcut winner by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: body88 on September 30, 2006, 09:41:09 PM: Quote from: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:40:03 PM
definitely seems to be a political move, jay was not the clearcut winner by any stretch of the imagination.

Haha yah you guys are right!!! Jay is not owning Ronnie at all in this shot! Must have been a fix!
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on September 30, 2006, 09:42:16 PM: Quote from: ali23 on September 30, 2006, 09:39:15 PM
I think your just setting yourself up to get made fun of... In page 3 someones gonna say that gay thread starter had it coming by starting a retarded thread like this.

So?

You don't seriously think that having been here for as long as I have that gay comments would atall concern me.

Haha, a meltdown by surrogate.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 09:47:02 PM: Ronnie took the bullet so that the IFBB could look like the league "where dreams come true".

And they allowed him to be made to play the fool by probably encouraging him to play up the reigning champion angle.

The fact that Jay lost in 2001 but won in 2006 speaks volumes. He certainly didn't have that kind of advantage tonight, and won. We should have seen a Vic Martinez coronation tonight, if the champion was to fall and the mandate was to be enforced. Dex, melvin, and Vic should have been top 3 in any order. Ronnie AND jay have some seriously wide waists.

Despite that, it's chaos, so I enjoy it :) Ron's been given enough gifts that his turn to get the short end of the stick was overdue.

But yeah rocket, I'm sure it was abundantly clear to everyone that the victory speech would have a decidedly anti-PDI tone.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:48:59 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
Ronnie took the bullet so that the IFBB could look like the league "where dreams come true".

And they allowed him to be made to play the fool by probably encouraging him to play up the reigning champion angle.

The fact that Jay lost in 2001 but won in 2006 speaks volumes. He certainly didn't have that kind of advantage tonight, and won. We should have seen a Vic Martinez coronation tonight, if the champion was to fall and the mandate was to be enforced. Dex, melvin, and Vic should have been top 3 in any order. Ronnie AND jay have some seriously wide waists.

Despite that, it's chaos, so I enjoy it :) Ron's been given enough gifts that his turn to get the short end of the stick was overdue.

But yeah rocket, I'm sure it was abundantly clear to everyone that the victory speech would have a decidedly anti-PDI tone.

OMFG . . . 240 made a post I agree with. hell has melted over.

can't believe the anti-PDI slant they took. "the IFBB is where you win the Mr. O."

are they really that scared of a tiny start-up?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on September 30, 2006, 09:50:11 PM: Still, Jay deserved it from the back..

No Mr Olympia should win with that type of asymmetrical thing going on - despite it not being as obvious as Dorian.

Glad Vic got 3rd.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: getfast81 on September 30, 2006, 09:50:28 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
Ronnie took the bullet so that the IFBB could look like the league "where dreams come true".

And they allowed him to be made to play the fool by probably encouraging him to play up the reigning champion angle.

The fact that Jay lost in 2001 but won in 2006 speaks volumes. He certainly didn't have that kind of advantage tonight, and won. We should have seen a Vic Martinez coronation tonight, if the champion was to fall and the mandate was to be enforced. Dex, melvin, and Vic should have been top 3 in any order. Ronnie AND jay have some seriously wide waists.

Despite that, it's chaos, so I enjoy it :) Ron's been given enough gifts that his turn to get the short end of the stick was overdue.

But yeah rocket, I'm sure it was abundantly clear to everyone that the victory speech would have a decidedly anti-PDI tone.
Hmm I agree. Ronnie and Jay were both blocky but Jay was better than Ronnie. It always has been Coleman/Cutler and I guessed they finished it. Ronnie will never win another Olympia. But if the bad guy shows up next year 10 percent improved then Jay better get off the gear and keep up the realtor gig.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: legbreaker on September 30, 2006, 09:50:32 PM: Quote from: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:40:03 PM
definitely seems to be a political move, jay was not the clearcut winner by any stretch of the imagination.

As the new night time comparison pix CLEARLY show. Jay Cutler was not even close to Ronnie. Jay is a great pro BB and I'm sure after looking at the night time comp pix right next to Ronnie he will agree to those close to him. Anyway, congrats to those that had jay and to jay himself. It is a subjective game either way ya cut it.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:53:33 PM: Did Jay's victory speech paying obeisance to the IFBB seem spontaneous to you? seems like he had it all memorized . . .

could mean nothing . . . could mean something.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:54:13 PM: Quote from: legbreaker on September 30, 2006, 09:50:32 PM
As the new night time comparison pix CLEARLY show. Jay Cutler was not even close to Ronnie. Jay is a great pro BB and I'm sure after looking at the night time comp pix right next to Ronnie he will agree to those close to him. Anyway, congrats to those that had jay and to jay himself. It is a subjective game either way ya cut it.

where'd you see the pics?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: body88 on September 30, 2006, 09:55:29 PM: Quote from: legbreaker on September 30, 2006, 09:50:32 PM
As the new night time comparison pix CLEARLY show. Jay Cutler was not even close to Ronnie. Jay is a great pro BB and I'm sure after looking at the night time comp pix right next to Ronnie he will agree to those close to him. Anyway, congrats to those that had jay and to jay himself. It is a subjective game either way ya cut it.

Not even close!!! HAHAHA halarious. O brother.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 10:14:08 PM: The Curse of the PBW No-Show?

Ronnie Coleman, the first guest to fail to appear for his scheduled interview on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, loses the Olympia title. You do the math!
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 10:19:58 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 10:14:08 PM
The Curse of the PBW No-Show?

Ronnie Coleman, the first guest to fail to appear for his scheduled interview on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, loses the Olympia title. You do the math!

that was just symptomatic of the general problem w ronnie . . . not enough of a team player, apparently.

seems like the groundwork was being laid early on.

chick let us know early on that Ronnie was "injured" and not quite himself . . . while that statement appears to have been true, the extent of ronnie's injuries were not sufficient to deserve the kind of attention they received. attention ronnie felt compelled to respond to?

Jay's a good bb, but was he good enough to win?

ah . . . not just another night in the "league of dreams."
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 30, 2006, 10:23:43 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 10:14:08 PM
The Curse of the PBW No-Show?

Ronnie Coleman, the first guest to fail to appear for his scheduled interview on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, loses the Olympia title. You do the math!

HAHAHAHA That is crazy. Ronnie Coleman and math in the same post.hahahahahah
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Benito Mutumbo on September 30, 2006, 10:27:29 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 10:14:08 PM
The Curse of the PBW No-Show?

Ronnie Coleman, the first guest to fail to appear for his scheduled interview on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, loses the Olympia title. You do the math!

Titus & Kelly appear...they gets arrested
Kamali appears....his career goes in the tank.

There's some bad mojo on that show.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: legbreaker on September 30, 2006, 10:54:33 PM: Quote from: body88 on September 30, 2006, 09:55:29 PM
Not even close!!! HAHAHA halarious. O brother.

I'm sorry, but my post said new night time comparison pix...are those them?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: thisiskeith12 on September 30, 2006, 10:56:28 PM: (http://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/stories/breakingnews/_mg_2075.jpg)
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: legbreaker on September 30, 2006, 10:56:45 PM: Quote from: Al-Gebra on September 30, 2006, 09:54:13 PM
where'd you see the pics?

if ya haven't found them they are under new finals pix.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: JKDMan on September 30, 2006, 11:06:07 PM: Quote from: rocket on September 30, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
Anybody else find it quite interesting that immediately during his speech, Jay goes into "company man" mode.

Were the IFBB looking for a more able, pro IFBB vocal Mr Olympia?

Stand by for 10 pages of conspiracy theories via 240.

Cue..... 240
Yes, Jay's quotes were extremely politically correct and obviously directed towards the PDI. That was pretty lame, actually. Is the IFBB that nervous?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: thisiskeith12 on September 30, 2006, 11:07:19 PM: (http://www.freewebs.com/thisiskeith12/56978-R1-07-6A%20%284%29.jpg)
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 11:09:25 PM: Quote from: JKDMan on September 30, 2006, 11:06:07 PM
Yes, Jay's quotes were extremely politically correct and obviously directed towards the PDI. That was pretty lame, actually. Is the IFBB that nervous?

It all comes around. Ronnie got one in 2001 that he shouldn't have. 2006- If you follow the gut mandate, it shouldn't have been either of those guys. I am happy to see the chaos this brings.

One loose end though. Will Ronnie, perhaps upset, say a few things about the past 8 years that might makes news?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: NeoSeminole on September 30, 2006, 11:16:40 PM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
Ronnie took the bullet so that the IFBB could look like the league "where dreams come true".

And they allowed him to be made to play the fool by probably encouraging him to play up the reigning champion angle.

The fact that Jay lost in 2001 but won in 2006 speaks volumes. He certainly didn't have that kind of advantage tonight, and won. We should have seen a Vic Martinez coronation tonight, if the champion was to fall and the mandate was to be enforced. Dex, melvin, and Vic should have been top 3 in any order. Ronnie AND jay have some seriously wide waists.

Despite that, it's chaos, so I enjoy it :) Ron's been given enough gifts that his turn to get the short end of the stick was overdue.

But yeah rocket, I'm sure it was abundantly clear to everyone that the victory speech would have a decidedly anti-PDI tone.

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm looking at HQ pics of both competitors and Jay did not beat Ronnie (from what I see). He tied him at best. When two competitors tie, the win should go to the reigning champ. I think the IFBB pulled a desperate move to stir excitement in a dying sport.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on September 30, 2006, 11:34:29 PM: Jay wouldn't have beaten Ronnie if it weren't for his poor back.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: gtbro1 on September 30, 2006, 11:36:13 PM: Quote from: rocket on September 30, 2006, 11:34:29 PM
Jay wouldn't have beaten Ronnie if it weren't for his poor back.

He wouldn't have beaten me either,if it weren't for my poor back,legs,arms,chest,shoulders and face.

other than that I dwarf him.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on October 01, 2006, 12:41:45 AM: Quote from: gtbro1 on September 30, 2006, 11:36:13 PM
He wouldn't have beaten me either,if it weren't for my poor back,legs,arms,chest,shoulders and face.
other than that I dwarf him.

Pure redundancy, monster exaggeration on a fine point delivered by myself.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Bigger Business on October 01, 2006, 12:51:02 AM: Quote from: Matt C on October 01, 2006, 12:43:19 AM
Jay has the better back, but that pose is more than just back.

thats true...but ya cant help but notice the obvious flaw. Unfortunately/obviously the judges couldnt look past it.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: nicorulez on October 01, 2006, 01:15:42 AM: I knew that Ronnie was going to be in trouble as soon as I saw the back. The difference between even last year and this year is staggering. If Neo or Hulkster can pull up a back double bi from 2003, you will see that this win was more a result of Ronnie sliding "back" to mediocrity than Jay coming up significantly. Ronnie was huge from the side and front, however his waist was also bigger. To be honest, I had Vic or Dex winning in a legit contest, but I knew it would come down to Ronnie and Jay. To me, Jay looked very average from the front and side. This was as political a victory as there ever was. However, to be honest, the Mr. Olympia has the better back and between the two Jay won tonight. It is sad to see a great champion go down not by a better challenger, so to speak, but because of injury. Hulkster, you rag on Dorian repeatedly about his imbalances; today, Ronnie is downright half as large on his left side as his right. I believe this discrepency was too much to overcome.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on October 01, 2006, 01:22:04 AM: I think I saw some suggestion that it was judged more akin to saying that Jay won almost everything suprisingly.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Bigger Business on October 01, 2006, 01:23:44 AM: Quote from: rocket on October 01, 2006, 01:22:04 AM
I think I saw some suggestion that it was judged more akin to saying that Jay won almost everything suprisingly.

The way I see it...If Ronnie lost because of his back and gut then Martinez should have won
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: 240 is Back on October 01, 2006, 01:24:18 AM: Jay got almost straight one's yesterday, huh?

Weird. Standard. But weird.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Yorkie T on October 01, 2006, 01:28:27 AM: I think in all honesty that this is one of the first times the ifbb have done the right thing, Ronnies a great bodybuilder but the massive flaw in his back just couldnt be ignored, i was actually embarressed for him having to get on stage with such an injury, the thing is IF it was between ronnie and jay can you imagine if Ronnie had won with that huge problem, that wouldnt have been right and i think everyone knows it, even hardcore Ronnie fans.

Ronnie wasnt at his best and he paid the price, simple as that. The better man won on the night.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Wiggs on October 01, 2006, 02:47:58 AM: There is difference between having a gut and a wide waist. Ronnie had a gut, Cutler has a wide waist.
The IFBB has a mandate for guts not wide waist. How small do you think Cutler's waist is going to be at 5'8 280 lbs? He stomach is flat and that's what is needed.

Basically Cutler just stomped a mudhole in the PDI and Demilia.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: the shadow on October 01, 2006, 03:25:10 AM: this is ridiculous..ronnie lost fair and square and everyone should admit this fact..ronnie was really off from his back poses.from the front coleman was just few percent better than iron jay but still it was really close...jay had coleman from the back..jays arms were as big as colemans..jays legs were better..coleman looked awesome from the side.jays mid-section was slightly better than coleman..ronnie owned him in the most muscular..jay owned him in side tricep pose..condition wise ronnie was more grainier but jay was bigger and and a bit harder..it could have gone either way..i don't see any politics..jay was definetly the better man.. ok so if ronnie would have won then the discussion would have been other way round..people would have said jay was better and he sould have won..then you all would go on bashing coleman that he won the olympia without a back and a tricep..then you all would have said ronnie is disgrace and jay was robbed like the way he was robbed in 2001..then you all would have said that how can a guy like jay whos back is better than coleman did not win mr olympia..then you all would have keep on tearing down coleman..come on people get real..it showed in almost every pose that jay was the better and more conditioned guy..just accept this fact and move on
JAY CUTLER IS MR OLYMPIA 2006...THIS IS THE TRUTH AND YOU ALL CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!PERIOD
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: getfast81 on October 01, 2006, 04:35:10 AM: Quote from: Benito Mutumbo on September 30, 2006, 10:27:29 PM
Titus & Kelly appear...they gets arrested
Kamali appears....his career goes in the tank.

There's some bad mojo on that show.
Wow, thats kind of screwed up actually. Lee Priest appears wins NOC but banned from competing at the O. Paul Dillet appeared and looked terrible in Montreal. Cutler hasnt shown up once this year and wins. ?????
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: CQ on October 01, 2006, 04:39:28 AM: I see no fix, Ronnie simply did not win fair and square. With all due respect to the 8 time champ, his body is not pleasant. His torso just kills ot for me.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: sammy1980 on October 01, 2006, 05:03:53 AM: cq: neither cutler or coleman should be top 2...
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: the shadow on October 01, 2006, 05:38:23 AM: Quote from: sammy1980 on October 01, 2006, 05:03:53 AM
cq: neither cutler or coleman should be top 2...
blah blah blah blah blah.....your retarded
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: CQ on October 01, 2006, 05:49:17 AM: Quote from: sammy1980 on October 01, 2006, 05:03:53 AM
cq: neither cutler or coleman should be top 2...

I hesitate to post this but I agree. Personally, I would rather see physiques like Toney, Dex, Melvin and Victor up top.

I await the flames :D
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: efirkey on October 01, 2006, 06:14:32 AM: Quote from: CQ on October 01, 2006, 05:49:17 AM
I hesitate to post this but I agree. Personally, I would rather see physiques like Toney, Dex, Melvin and Victor up top.

I await the flames :D

Jay has paid his dues, done his homework, and deserved his win last night. I also think he will be a far superior representative of the sport/activity of bodybuilding. We all knew that when Ronnie's reign came to an end that it would be Jay to start the next reign. The only question is "how long will Jay's reign be"? He is still young by bodybuilding standards and he is too good to be a flash in the pan.

congratulations Jay!
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Weightpit on October 01, 2006, 06:18:53 AM: Quote from: efirkey on October 01, 2006, 06:14:32 AM
Jay has paid his dues, done his homework, and deserved his win last night. I also think he will be a far superior representative of the sport/activity of bodybuilding. We all knew that when Ronnie's reign came to an end that it would be Jay to start the next reign. The only question is "how long will Jay's reign be"? He is still young by bodybuilding standards and he is too good to be a flash in the pan.

congratulations Jay!

THANK YOU!!! Great post - Let the dude enjoy this....whether it's his one and only Sandow or the 1st of 3...4...or 5........

The better guy won - I tell you what though - he looked a hell of a lot better last night than he did on Friday. Coleman smoothed out considerably.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: raziel on October 01, 2006, 07:09:10 AM: if there was a fix in place don't you think they would have went ahead with the PPV so they could make money on the replays?
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Darth Muscle on October 01, 2006, 07:20:23 AM: Jay is just keeping the O title warm for Phil Heath. You heard it here first.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: rocket on October 01, 2006, 07:32:21 AM: Quote from: raziel on October 01, 2006, 07:09:10 AM
if there was a fix in place don't you think they would have went ahead with the PPV so they could make money on the replays?

No
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: 240 is Back on October 01, 2006, 08:13:47 AM: Quote from: sammy1980 on October 01, 2006, 05:03:53 AM
cq: neither cutler or coleman should be top 2...

Correct. The O finals have been way closer in the last 5 years and the nod went to the champ. If you're gonna be biased, at least be consistently biased.

Quote from: Darth Muscle on October 01, 2006, 07:20:23 AM
Jay is just keeping the O title warm for Phil Heath. You heard it here first.

Wow, a prediction that Phil Heath will be Mr O. This has to be the first time we've ever heard that here on getbig :)
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Brutal_1 on October 01, 2006, 09:57:14 AM: Quote from: 240 is Back on September 30, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
Ronnie took the bullet so that the IFBB could look like the league "where dreams come true".

And they allowed him to be made to play the fool by probably encouraging him to play up the reigning champion angle.

The fact that Jay lost in 2001 but won in 2006 speaks volumes. He certainly didn't have that kind of advantage tonight, and won.

Agreed, I clearly had Jay winning in 2001, if there was a year he should've taken it, it was then. But last night.....m'eh ::)
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: Al-Gebra on October 01, 2006, 10:22:26 AM: jay's victory speech:

why was it not a spontaneous effusion of the "thank you jesus/kerry/mom and dad" kind, but rather a carefully crafted political statement?

was there a need for a more eloquent spokesperson that was met yesterday? I guess in times of trouble you need more than "Jay be smoking that crack again."

Dex can't speak worth a damn, can Victor?

is melvin anthony respected in bb circles?

the IFBB, a place where dreams can come true.

but you need a profile that includes a lot more than meets the eye.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: sammy1980 on October 01, 2006, 12:41:21 PM: melvin congrats to the mr olympia title. Congrats to dex for second place. Rockel impressed with his third place.
Title: Re: The fix was in!
Post by: slayer on October 01, 2006, 01:25:51 PM: THE FIX WAS IN! congratulations to jay cutler for FIXXing colemens out of shap waterblogged ass and sending him back to texas!