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North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
By Choe Sang-Hun International Herald Tribune | October 3, 2006
SEOUL - North Korea said Tuesday that it would test a nuclear weapon despite U.S. warnings that such a move would provoke harsher sanctions and perhaps even military action.
The announcement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry marked the first time the regime had declared its intention to conduct a nuclear test and raised the stakes dramatically in negotiations on how to deal with North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.
The statement gave no indication when a test might occur. Last month, Kim Seung Kyu, director of the National Intelligence Service, told the South Korean Parliament that North Korea was capable of conducting an underground nuclear test at any time.
Although Pyongyang declared in February 2005 that it possessed nuclear weapons, it has never conducted a known test on its territory to prove its claim. A successful test would confirm North Korea as the eighth declared nuclear power, following the steps of the United States, Russia, Britain, France, China, India and Pakistan. Israel is an undeclared nuclear power.
Confirmation that North Korea has nuclear weapons, experts said, would disrupt the arms balance in Northeast Asia and possibly compel Japan, which lies within the range of North Korean missiles, to amass its own arsenal. That in turn would encourage South Korea to pursue its own nuclear arms program.
In Tokyo, Foreign Minister Taro Aso said: "It is a threat to peace. We would never be able to forgive such a move."
South Korea will increase surveillance on North Korea for signs of a nuclear test, said Yoon Tae Young, spokesman for President Roh Moo Hyun.
"President Roh has repeatedly said that South Korea will not tolerate nuclear weapons for North Korea, and said that if North Korea conducts a nuclear test, it will create a whole new environment" in North Korea's relations with South Korea and the rest of the world, Yoon said.
"The DPRK will in the future conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement, referring to the country's official name, Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
North Korea's statement, carried by its official press agency, KCNA, said the "U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war and sanctions and pressure compel the DPRK to conduct a nuclear test, an essential process for bolstering nuclear deterrent." It said North Korea would "never use nuclear weapons first but strictly prohibit any threat of nuclear weapons and nuclear transfer."
American officials say that North Korea is a leading vendor of missile technology, and given its history of flouting international treaties, could easily turn to nuclear materials to earn badly needed cash.
North Korea lashed out at what it called Washington's attempts to "internationalize the sanctions and blockade against the DPRK by leaving no dastardly means and methods untried in a foolish attempt to isolate and stifle it economically and bring down the socialist system chosen by its people themselves." It called such moves a "de facto declaration of war."
Since last September, the U.S. Treasury Department has persuaded 24 banks in China, Mongolia, Singapore, Vietnam and other countries to shut down North Korean accounts. Last month, Australia and Japan ordered their financial institutions to block transactions by companies suspected of having links to North Korea's weapons programs.
Washington says North Korea should return to the six-nation nuclear disarmament talks or face further restraints on its finances. North Korea insists that it will boycott the nuclear talks as long as there are sanctions. The talks involve the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia.
"A nuclear test by North Korea will shake up the military balance between North Korea, Japan and South Korea, which has been based on conventional weapons," said Nam Sung Wook, a North Korea expert at Korea University in Seoul. "The sense of insecurity will spike in South Korea, and calls could mount in Japan for nuclear armament."
North Korea's statement came just days before planned visits by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Beijing and Seoul, Nam noted. Abe, a hawk on North Korea, was expected to discuss North Korea as a top agenda item in his meetings with Chinese and South Korean leaders.
"Right now there is a 50-50 chance of North Korea testing a nuke," Nam said. "Much of the decision will depend on what China and South Korea say after their summits with Abe."
"North Korea is believed to have acquired enough technology from Pakistan to conduct a test," Nam said. "If it wants to, it can finish the preparations within three weeks. It will wait for a timing with a maximum impact."
Robert Joseph, the U.S. under secretary of state for arms control and international security, said last week that Washington was prepared to seek a UN Security Council resolution that would invoke Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, which allows for military force. The use of Chapter 7 has been vehemently opposed by China and South Korea.
In the recent weeks, there have been news reports in Washington, Tokyo and Seoul that North Korea may be preparing for an underground nuclear test. The reports cited activities around facilities near the border with China or on the North's remote northeast coast
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SEOUL - North Korea said Tuesday that it would test a nuclear weapon despite U.S. warnings that such a move would provoke harsher sanctions and perhaps even military action.
Why are we gearing up to bomb iran back to the stone age, but not North Korea?
N Korea tells us today they're about to explode a nuclear bomb, and they're going to do it because of "extreme threat of nuclear war from the Uniteted States".
Iran is interested in developing a nuclear program.
Which do you consider to be a greater threat? (Q to everyone)
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to who?
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To the US.
We're itching to completely cook Iran, because they want a nuke program.
N Korea on the other hand, tested missiles on the 4th of July, and now plans to detonate a nuke.
I see NK as a much larger threat to put a hurtin' on hawaii or California, than iran. Can some of our pro-iran war people speak on it?
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North Korea has an internal satanic cult going on which, with a little persuation can be controlled. It has little support from the general population outside North Korea, and barely has enough infrastructure to sustain itself in it's current communist form.
Iran however, is a country following a similar satanic cult, but with many more followers and more international support. It's pagan cult gives it an agenda to fulfil if it desires, with many sleeper cells across the globe (1.2 Bil muzzies). It has potentially more wealth than North Korea to make its goals a reality.
This might not seem like a threat to an idiot like you, however it's a bigger problem than you care to imagine.
I quote Churchill:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceasedto be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
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North Korea has an internal satanic cult going on which, with a little persuation can be controlled. It has little support from the general population outside North Korea, and barely has enough infrastructure to sustain itself in it's current communist form.
Um, so how come we haven't tried to control them yet? Are we actually waiting for a nuke to land on US soil to put them in time-out?
Also, it is the nation with little infrastructure and money problems that is way more likely to sell nukes on the black market. What do they have to lose?
Iran however, is a country following a similar satanic cult, but with many more followers and more international support. It's pagan cult gives it an agenda to fulfil if it desires, with many sleeper cells across the globe (1.2 Bil muzzies). It has potentially more wealth than North Korea to make its goals a reality.
You consider everyone one of the 1.2B muslims in this world to be a sleeper terrorist?
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Fire up the B-52s! :)
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Um, so how come we haven't tried to control them yet? Are we actually waiting for a nuke to land on US soil to put them in time-out?
Also, it is the nation with little infrastructure and money problems that is way more likely to sell nukes on the black market. What do they have to lose?
Don't be a fucktard, where are NK going? Nowhere, these scare tactics, threats etc are evidence of this. Sure they might need to be dealt with in a harder fashion than that of today, but Iran IS the greater threat.
You consider everyone one of the 1.2B muslims in this world to be a sleeper terrorist?
Yeah, "sleepers". Just you wait brother. :-[
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i love how 240 is fulla Shit says we're ready to cook Iran, but not North korea . . . just pulls this stuff out of his ass, and clearly hasn't looked at a mainstream newspaper in ages:
John R. Bolton, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, told The Associated Press that a nuclear test would be “extraordinarily serious.”
American officials have said that if North Korea were to conduct nuclear tests, the United States would seek Security Council sanctions through a procedure that carries the threat of military action.
In London, a spokesman for Britain’s foreign ministry said a test would be “a highly provocative act with serious consequences.”
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i love how 240 is fulla Shit says we're ready to cook Iran, but not North korea . . . just pulls this stuff out of his ass, and clearly hasn't looked at a mainstream newspaper in ages:
John R. Bolton, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, told The Associated Press that a nuclear test would be “extraordinarily serious.”
American officials have said that if North Korea were to conduct nuclear tests, the United States would seek Security Council sanctions through a procedure that carries the threat of military action.
In London, a spokesman for Britain’s foreign ministry said a test would be “a highly provocative act with serious consequences.”
I think what 240 was saying that Iran gets as much if not more attention than North Korea, despite not even having Nuclear bombs. Let's face it, if Iran had even one nuke then they'd have been bombed like crazy by the US. While the N. Korea already has nukes and all the US is doing is threating economic sanctions.
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Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.
North Korea has no allies.
YIP
Zack
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Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.
North Korea has no allies.
YIP
Zack
ever hear of this country called China? they don't like people effing around in their backyard.
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Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.
North Korea has no allies.
YIP
Zack
Hasn't anyone informed you that the UN is a joke of a organisation?
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I think what 240 was saying that Iran gets as much if not more attention than North Korea, despite not even having Nuclear bombs. Let's face it, if Iran had even one nuke then they'd have been bombed like crazy by the US. While the N. Korea already has nukes and all the US is doing is threating economic sanctions.
Isreal will bomb Iran before the US will and Israel will before bomb Iran before it gets the bomb.
It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.
N. Korea doesn't have missles yet to hit either the US or Japan, also South Korea and China have a huge say on what happens to North Korea. South Korea and China don't want America to get involved.
Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.
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Hasn't anyone informed you that the UN is a joke of a organisation?
Of course, if economically smaller countries don't have a strong enough voice then it's a joke. It's a joke when the US and other western countries constantly enforce what they percieve as "good" on other nations.
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Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.
Good call. Their firing missiles on July 4th was just a way of wishing us a happy independence day! And the nuke test - i'm guessing that shint mushroom cloud in the pacific will come on election day or right before - that should definitely show that the sanctions are working!
One day, when they finally do carry out or facilitate the use of a nuke on US soil - that will be the day we know economic sanctions worked. Bravo.
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Isreal will bomb Iran before the US will and Israel will before bomb Iran before it gets the bomb.
It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.
N. Korea doesn't have missles yet to hit either the US or Japan, also South Korea and China have a huge say on what happens to North Korea. South Korea and China don't want America to get involved.
Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.
Iran has allowed inspectors into its enrichment facalities as well as signed the nuclear missile treaty.
It's clearly evident that the west just doesn't want the advancement of a muslim nation that doesn't agree with its interests. They'll go as far as to prevent them from getting a very suffient source of energy, to try and prevent them from advancing their civilzation. This was evident when Iran tried to nationalize ITS OWN oil industry and what did the US do? It bribed the Shah and help to put him in power, which led to the Iran of today.
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Iran has allowed inspectors into its enrichment facalities as well as signed the nuclear missile treaty.
It's clearly evident that the west just doesn't want the advancement of a muslim nation that doesn't agree with its interests. They'll go as far as to prevent them from getting a very suffient source of energy, to try and prevent them from advancing their civilzation. This was evident when Iran tried to nationalize ITS OWN oil industry and what did the US do? It bribed the Shah and help to put him in power, which led to the Iran of today.
The west doesn't want this islamic dictatorship to advance, and rightly so.
Why don't they advance their civilization with freedom of speech, womens rights?
And you're not a muslim you say? Ok brother ::)
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It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.
So iran has a lot to lose? N Korea has nothing to lose?
Who is more likely to commit a crime - a family man with money and a good job who owns a gun, or the homeless guy with a growling stomach and a gun?
Come on, use logic here...
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ever hear of this country called China? they don't like people effing around in their backyard.
Yeah.
That was kind of my naive hope here.
The North Korean situation becoming a unifier.
Both Russia and China are in the immediate surrounding, so is Japan.
This could be an opportunity, hopefully USA and China will agree on something constructive.
YIP
Zack
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Fire up the B-52s! :)
Yeah, and a few B-1's and B-2's along with it.
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Dude,
Pakistan already had bombs, and they developed them while isolated by the rest of the before 9-11.
Also how do you rate Turkey, a secular Democracy, a member of NATO, and soon a Member of the EU. Seems to me like a shining example of what a Muslim state can be.
Iran is building nuclear facilities for other needs then electricity, seeing that they are a net exporter of oil.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html)
The UN is the also the organization pressuring Iran the most, since Iran won't let nuclear inspectors into the enrichment facilities they have.
Your history of Iran fails to mention the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of a totalitarian state where they routinely round up and kill people that speak out against the government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/ (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/)
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So iran has a lot to lose? N Korea has nothing to lose?
Who is more likely to commit a crime - a family man with money and a good job who owns a gun, or the homeless guy with a growling stomach and a gun?
Come on, use logic here...
North Korea uses Nuclear technology as wedge to try to get more money donated to the country,Foreign donations make up the bul of their budget. North Korea might have nuclear technology, but they really can't use it, becuase they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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The west doesn't want this islamic dictatorship to advance, and rightly so.
I wonder how Islamic countries feel about the cool things the US is doing in other people's countries.
Why don't they advance their civilization with freedom of speech, womens rights?
Really cool that we've solved all of our own nation's problems, and that we now have the time, effort, money, and lives available to solve the problems of others. Ever heard "MYOB"?
And you're not a muslim you say? Ok brother ::)
You're not a racist, are you?
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Your history of Iran fails to mention the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of a totalitarian state where they routinely round up and kill people that speak out against the government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/ (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/)
:-\ the shah was overthrown by the same people who helped us (Britain and the CIA) overthrow their "democratic" leader Mossadegh. it's all ancient history, anyways. what matters is now.
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So iran has a lot to lose? N Korea has nothing to lose?
Who is more likely to commit a crime - a family man with money and a good job who owns a gun, or the homeless guy with a growling stomach and a gun?
Come on, use logic here...
Wow, your skills in logic is fucking wonderful! ::)
How can you apply the logic and reasoning behind the actions of one man with a whole fucking country? Oh yes I forgot it is just that damn simple these days! ::)
They haven't got the money to initiate anything, thats why them having no money helps.
fucktards.com/members.php?user="240 is back"
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North Korea uses Nuclear technology as wedge to try to get more money donated to the country,Foreign donations make up the bul of their budget.
So, extortion, then? Holding a nuke over the world's head, blackmailing them for money, and we're okay with that?
North Korea might have nuclear technology, but they really can't use it, becuase they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
What do they have to lose? They're broke. Losing their lives/liberty cannot be a reason, because all countries have that and it cannot be used for benchmarking purposes. In reality, compared to Iran, NK has NOTHING TO LOSE.
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The west doesn't want this islamic dictatorship to advance, and rightly so.
Why don't they advance their civilization with freedom of speech, womens rights?
And you're not a muslim you say? Ok brother ::)
What I'm preaching is that we stay the fuck outta their business, fool. If I was such a muslim lover and sympathized with militants then why fuck would I live in the US and enjoy a free way of life?
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So, extortion, then? Holding a nuke over the world's head, blackmailing them for money, and we're okay with that?
What do they have to lose? They're broke. Losing their lives/liberty cannot be a reason, because all countries have that and it cannot be used for benchmarking purposes. In reality, compared to Iran, NK has NOTHING TO LOSE.
North Korea has everything to lose, sponsor ship from China, American money, respect.
They aren't going anywhere.
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I wonder how Islamic countries feel about the cool things the US is doing in other people's countries.
Really cool that we've solved all of our own nation's problems, and that we now have the time, effort, money, and lives available to solve the problems of others. Ever heard "MYOB"?
You're not a racist, are you?
Yeah, it becomes my business when they attack allies and my own people on my own soil due to a shared cult.
No i'm not racist. Muzzies aren't a race of people.
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:-\ the shah was overthrown by the same people who helped us (Britain and the CIA) overthrow their "democratic" leader Mossadegh. it's all ancient history, anyways. what matters is now.
That is true, the statement I was making is that Iran kills Journalists and would be a real crappy place to be.
While Turkey is a good example of what a muslim state could be.
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What I'm preaching is that we stay the f**k outta their business, fool. If I was such a muslim lover and sympathized with militants then why f**k would I live in the US and enjoy a free way of life?
'cause you want to have your cake and eat it?
you like the higher standard of living here, but you resent the wealthy whites (and jews?) who have even more than you do, and who have dominated your people for centuries. So you try to think of ways to frustrate what you think they support w/o losing your place here?
just speculating (and I'm willing to admit it, unlike some of the jackasses on here).
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Wow, your skills in logic is fucking wonderful! ::)
Your skills in the use of prepositions with singular/plural nouns "IS" wonderful.
How can you apply the logic and reasoning behind the actions of one man with a whole fucking country? Oh yes I forgot it is just that damn simple these days! ::)
No, but it is common sense. iran has oil and money. NK has neither. Which one is more likely to take the chance of selling a nuke on the black market? The country whose people are starving, or the country eating steak with the eyes of the world on it and a trigger happy US begging for a reason to kill them?
They haven't got the money to initiate anything, thats why them having no money helps.
Right. Those missiles they launched on July 4th were bought with Marlboro money and Sunday paper coupons. No money to initiate anything? The nuke that they detonate next - have to do when they "have no money"
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240, everything is so simple in your world isn't it?
And you have all the answers too.
You're one hell of a guy!
I stand by my arguements. I am confident they carry more weight than yours.
Adieu.
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Your skills in the use of prepositions with singular/plural nouns "IS" wonderful.
No, but it is common sense. iran has oil and money. NK has neither. Which one is more likely to take the chance of selling a nuke on the black market? The country whose people are starving, or the country eating steak with the eyes of the world on it and a trigger happy US begging for a reason to kill them?
Right. Those missiles they launched on July 4th were bought with Marlboro money and Sunday paper coupons. No money to initiate anything? The nuke that they detonate next - have to do when they "have no money"
only your uninformed ass would think that Iranians are eating steak.
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'cause you want to have your cake and eat it?
you like the higher standard of living here, but you resent the wealthy whites (and jews?) who have even more than you do, and who have dominated your people for centuries. So you try to think of ways to frustrate what you think they support?
just speculating (and I'm willing to admit it, unlike some of the jackasses on here).
LOL what are you talking about? ???
Can't believe a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself would turn this into a race thing. I do not resent whites or jews for their wealth, however I oppose imperialism. Maybe you have me mixed up with some black guy.. ;D
Believe it or not, I'm looking out for the best interest for the American people because I view myself as an American. Secondly, I'm looking out for injustice, injustice that's been going on against other countries and I'm against it not only because is it injustice, but it's a danger to the American people. That's why you'll hear me say fuck it if the sunni and shia are killing each in Iraq, lets bail outta there.
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LOL what are you talking about? ???
Can't believe a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself would turn this into a race thing. I do not resent whites or jews for their wealth, however I oppose imperialism. Maybe you have me mixed up with some black guy.. ;D
Believe it or not, I'm looking out for the best interest for the American people because I view myself as an American. Secondly, I'm looking out for injustice, injustice that's been going on against other countries and I'm against it not only because is it injustice, but it's a danger to the American people. That's why you'll hear me say f**k it if the sunni and shia are killing each in Iraq, lets bail outta there.
Isn't injustice, rounding up reporters and killing them?
That seems to me to be pretty bad, secondly, Iran isn't going to get invaded by the US anytime soon, Russia would bomb the crap out of the US if they tried.
Iran is a crappy country, so is North Korea. Iran is destabilising Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran therefore is a bigger threat, but neither country is gong to be bombed by the US.
Israel will bomb Iran if they feel threatened, America won't have to.
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Maybe you have me mixed up with some black guy.. ;D
what's the difference in general terms? none.
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Isn't injustice, rounding up reporters and killing them?
That seems to me to be pretty bad, secondly, Iran isn't going to get invaded by the US anytime soon, Russia would bomb the crap out of the US if they tried.
Iran is a crappy country, so is North Korea. Iran is destabilising Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran therefore is a bigger threat, but neither country is gong to be bombed by the US.
Israel will bomb Iran if they feel threatened, America won't have to.
You gotta allow some injustices to prevent bigger ones. Let them kill each other, let the Middle East bomb themselves into ruins. They were great civilizations before and they'll rebound eventually, even if takes a few centuries. They don't need western intervention.
How did the American war for indepence come about? Did the old world(Middle East and Asia) influence them in anyways? Nope. People just decided they had enough and took action and 200 years later you have the most perfect countries in the world. This is what needs to take place in the Middle East and other parts of the world, they need to enlighten themselves.
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what's the difference in general terms? none.
I'm not whining and playing the race card, which you accused me of doing.
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You gotta allow some injustices to prevent bigger ones. Let them kill each other, let the Middle East bomb themselves into ruins. They were great civilizations before and they'll rebound eventually, even if takes a few centuries. They don't need western intervention.
How did the American war for indepence come about? Did the old world(Middle East and Asia) influence them in anyways? Nope. People just decided they had enough and took action and 200 years later you have the most perfect countries in the world. This is what needs to take place in the Middle East and other parts of the world, they need to enlighten themselves.
yah . . 'cause the Middle East and Asia were full of great civilizations 200 years ago.
the great civilizations of the world certainly had a large effect on us, and even participated in our revolution.
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yah . . 'cause the Middle East and Asia were full of great civilizations 200 years ago.
the great civilizations of the world certainly had a large effect on us, and even participated in our revolution.
Ideally speaking they did.
I'm not saying that the Iraqis can't adopt American ideals, it just can be enforced on them.
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Ideally speaking they did.
I'm not saying that the Iraqis can't adopt American ideals, it just can be enforced on them.
the only reason you're in the wonderful US of A is b/c another nation decided to enforce its ideals on your ancestors . . .
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the only reason you're in the wonderful US of A is b/c another nation decided to enforce its ideals on your ancestors . . .
What nation do you speak of?
I am here because your elected officials let me in for cheap labor.
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What nation do you speak of?
I am here because your elected officials let me in for cheap labor.
britannia rules the waves.
no english, no US.
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brittania rules the waves.
no english, no US.
Not anymore they don't, now they're just America's lapdog. Feels great!
Almost as good as the body orgasm I felt when England had the meltdown against Portugal in the World Cup. ;D
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Not anymore they don't, now they're just America's lapdog. Feels great!
Almost as good as the body orgasm I felt when England had the meltdown against Portugal in the World Cup. ;D
stop smoking so much weed . . . you can't follow a thread.
if the english hadn't colonized your country, your parents wouldn't be able to speak english . . . and you would probably be enjoying a tropical monsoon right now, instead of smoking weed.
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Not anymore they don't, now they're just America's lapdog. Feels great!
Almost as good as the body orgasm I felt when England had the meltdown against Portugal in the World Cup. ;D
lol, shallow.
A las, ye art thou true-est of the muzzeth kindeth.
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To the US.
We're itching to completely cook Iran, because they want a nuke program.
N Korea on the other hand, tested missiles on the 4th of July, and now plans to detonate a nuke.
I see NK as a much larger threat to put a hurtin' on hawaii or California, than iran. Can some of our pro-iran war people speak on it?
We are itching to cook Iran because if they develop nuclear energy technology, all of our trillions of dollars invested in setting up shop in the Mid East suddenly does not ensure our monopoly on energy.
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North Korea has an internal satanic cult going on which, with a little persuation can be controlled. It has little support from the general population outside North Korea, and barely has enough infrastructure to sustain itself in it's current communist form.
Iran however, is a country following a similar satanic cult, but with many more followers and more international support. It's pagan cult gives it an agenda to fulfil if it desires, with many sleeper cells across the globe (1.2 Bil muzzies). It has potentially more wealth than North Korea to make its goals a reality.
This might not seem like a threat to an idiot like you, however it's a bigger problem than you care to imagine.
I quote Churchill:
You have Satanism and Paganism confused. They are not of the same cloth.
Also, you may find it interesting that the Black Nobility has it's claws deeply rooted in the U.S. If any country is Satanically motivated, it is America...
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There's a lot of surface level thinking here. Events transpiring now are tiny steps in an enormous scheme, carefully laid out by the truly powerful.
Let's just say that Bill Gates is a peasant compared to a few families in Europe. Families who own you. Every time you pay your taxes, you pay them. To the tune of $900M a day. If you think I'm full of shit, I implore you to truly research the history of this country.
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Why are we gearing up to bomb iran back to the stone age, but not North Korea?
because ya dont dare bomb anyone that actually HAS em....cause yanno..they might use em...
wonder what the heck ws Saddam thinking when the US army ws blowing up his country and he didn't use his WMDs....i mean hell..might have been a good time t bring em out no?? lol ::)
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There's a lot of surface level thinking here. Events transpiring now are tiny steps in an enormous scheme, carefully laid out by the truly powerful.
Let's just say that Bill Gates is a peasant compared to a few families in Europe. Families who own you. Every time you pay your taxes, you pay them. To the tune of $900M a day. If you think I'm full of shit, I implore you to truly research the history of this country.
Speak on this.
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Speak on this.
blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
can't believe this old schtick just doesn't go away.
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blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
can't believe this old schtick just doesn't go away.
Schtick? Who owns the Federal Reserve, a privately owned bank? The Fed loans the US money at a rate which makes payment monstrous. Where does this money come from to pay them? Income Tax!!! Our income tax is lining the pockets of this bank at nearly a billion dollars a day in interest. We've paid the Fed 3.5 trillion dollars this year, yet our debt increases.
There is no gold to back the loan. It's a vicious cycle, and a fabrication.
In simplest terms, if you were worth several hundreds of trillions of dollars, what do you think your capabilities would be?
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Interesting article regarding the Rotschild-Fed connection:
http://www.usagold.com/FederalReserve.html
YIP
Zack
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He further commented that the day the Federal Reserve Act was passed, "the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers" (Ibid, p. 29).
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Surprise, surprise, this Rothschild banking family is of Jewish origin. :o
They also had a hand in Britain creating Israel..
I'm not gonna start acting like 240 hear, but it's hard to not connect the pieces.
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Corporations do not control the government. They can influence legislation, but they don't control anything. I'm an open-minded person and always willing to learn from pretty much anyone, but I doubt there is much you can teach me about government. I've worked in government. I've worked with lobbyists. I've worked directly with the state executive, legislative, and judicial branches. I know how the process works. I'll rely on that experience rather than your theories and those of "jag," "rearden," and "berserker." [Well, I did learn from Jag that the age of consent varies for homosexuals and heterosexuals. I also learned lots of neat cuss words from berserker.]
Camel, Rearden, and hedge-
Beach bum has made it very clear from his experience working with lobbyists that corporations have very little influence on govt.
Corporations do not control the government. They can influence legislation, but they don't control anything. I'm an open-minded person and always willing to learn from pretty much anyone, but I doubt there is much you can teach me about government. I've worked in government. I've worked with lobbyists. I've worked directly with the state executive, legislative, and judicial branches. I know how the process works. I'll rely on that experience rather than your theories and those of "jag," "rearden," and "berserker."
Do you have any evidence that your theories on bankers controlling govt is true? Cause Beach Bum is a pretty reliable source, and he says there is nothing he can be taught about givt, since he's worked with people on the state level.
Can anyone clear up this confusion?
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BeachBum also gets his news on what's going on in Iraq from his neighbor. ::)
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Fire up the B-52s! :)
Isn't this the same attitude that landed you all in this quagmire to begin with?
You can't solve your problems by continuing to use the same faulty thinking that got you there to begin with.
For Goodness sakes! When you find yourself in a hole, ...STOP DIGGING!
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Camel, Rearden, and hedge-
Beach bum has made it very clear from his experience working with lobbyists that corporations have very little influence on govt.
Do you have any evidence that your theories on bankers controlling govt is true? Cause Beach Bum is a pretty reliable source, and he says there is nothing he can be taught about givt, since he's worked with people on the state level.
Can anyone clear up this confusion?
What I said was they don't control the government. Of course they influence government. ::)
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Dude,
Pakistan already had bombs, and they developed them while isolated by the rest of the before 9-11.
Also how do you rate Turkey, a secular Democracy, a member of NATO, and soon a Member of the EU. Seems to me like a shining example of what a Muslim state can be.
Iran is building nuclear facilities for other needs then electricity, seeing that they are a net exporter of oil.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html)
The UN is the also the organization pressuring Iran the most, since Iran won't let nuclear inspectors into the enrichment facilities they have.
My understanding is that Iran has fully co-operated with ALL inspections.
Your history of Iran fails to mention the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of a totalitarian state where they routinely round up and kill people that speak out against the government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/ (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/)
It goes back even further than the Shah to Mossadegh the populist democratically elected leader who was overthrown by the CIA, who immediately installed the dictator known as the Shah, and trained his vicious Savak secret police. The rise of Islamic fundamentalism was a wholesale rejection of what imperialistic powers imposed on the people. There is a consequence to interference with others. Look at us, as a species. If the prime directive hadn't been disobeyed, we wouldn't be such messed up and dangerous creatures. :P
Any Star Trek Fans in the house? ;D
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BeachBum also gets his news on what's going on in Iraq from his neighbor. ::)
And Sesame Street.
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Isn't this the same attitude that landed you all in this quagmire to begin with?
You can't solve your problems by continuing to use the same faulty thinking that got you there to begin with.
For Goodness sakes! When you find yourself in a hole, ...STOP DIGGING!
Look up the word "joke." Hope this helps. Dang woman. Is it that time of the month?
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240, everything is so simple in your world isn't it?
And you have all the answers too.
You're one hell of a guy!
I stand by my arguements. I am confident they carry more weight than yours.
Adieu.
Perhaps, but I think we need clarification on who the non-humans cultists are.
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blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
can't believe this old schtick just doesn't go away.
Good grief, I really outta keep up with the threads I start huh. {lol} You're sounding like Anne Coulter. :-X
What cracks me up is Rearden hasn't even mentioned the Rothschilds, ...you did. Not only here, but in your other thread as well. {pssst} I hear they're not too fond of publicity.
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Camel, Rearden, and hedge-
Beach bum has made it very clear from his experience working with lobbyists that corporations have very little influence on govt.
Do you have any evidence that your theories on bankers controlling govt is true? Cause Beach Bum is a pretty reliable source, and he says there is nothing he can be taught about givt, since he's worked with people on the state level.
Can anyone clear up this confusion?
It's so much more complicated than that, Rob. I'd honestly rather talk about it in private than on this forum.
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What I said was they don't control the government. Of course they influence government. ::)
These influences are not necessarily manifest from such a magnified view. One must step back and examine events long past in order to begin to envision the breadth of the influence.
Start with Manly P. Hall. I'll suggest "The Secret Destiny of America", written 50 years ago. You will see his visions of today clearly. When you understand that his research points to Plato as an architect of America, you will only have more questions, and more questions.
As some on Get Big say, It's too easy.
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Perhaps, but I think we need clarification on who the non-humans cultists are.
Why don't you go an live in an islamic state for a year, see how you like it?
You will be treated as a second class status as you are technically a women along with other restrictions on your lifestyle.
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These influences are not necessarily manifest from such a magnified view. One must step back and examine events long past in order to begin to envision the breadth of the influence.
Start with Manly P. Hall. I'll suggest "The Secret Destiny of America", written 50 years ago. You will see his visions of today clearly. When you understand that his research points to Plato as an architect of America, you will only have more questions, and more questions.
As some on Get Big say, It's too easy.
You don't have to examine history to understand the influence an entity can have in government. It's actually quite simple and can be boiled down to that prolific phrase uttered by the great philosopher . . . Cuba Gooding Jr.: "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!" ;D
Money gets you a seat at the table. That's where the influence comes into play.
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It's so much more complicated than that, Rob. I'd honestly rather talk about it in private than on this forum.
Rearden, ...I'm confuuused. Are you saying it's a secret? If so, ...how big a secret?
I mean... there are secrets, ...and then there are secrets, and then there are other secrets,
...but which one is "THE BIGGEST SECRET"
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You don't have to examine history to understand the influence an entity can have in government. It's actually quite simple and can be boiled down to that prolific phrase uttered by the great philosopher . . . Cuba Gooding Jr.: "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!" ;D
Money gets you a seat at the table. That's where the influence comes into play.
this is very true, however the influence I speak of is not merely for profit. Corporations lobby the government to amend laws, put off legislation, or to hide ugly side affects of their commerce.
I am talking about the slow curve. I'm talking about the thoughts you think, the issues you find important. I'm talking about your relevance to THEM, in how it affects their vision of the world.
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Rearden, ...I'm confuuused. Are you saying it's a secret? If so, ...how big a secret?
I mean... there are secrets, ...and then there are secrets, and then there are other secrets,
...but which one is "THE BIGGEST SECRET"
It's not my secret. It's just very difficult to converse about something so vast, one post at a time, in a media such as this. It requires limitless hours, and resources to piece it together. Even then it's just a thought. Just one way of looking at things.
I don't believe I have the answers. I think I'm open minded to an alternative history, and what it means about our circumstances.
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blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
people want to believe in the bogeyman so bad.
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Camel, Rearden, and hedge-
Beach bum has made it very clear from his experience working with lobbyists that corporations have very little influence on govt.
Do you have any evidence that your theories on bankers controlling govt is true? Cause Beach Bum is a pretty reliable source, and he says there is nothing he can be taught about givt, since he's worked with people on the state level.
Can anyone clear up this confusion?
I posted the link, since I think it can help clear up the misconception that the Rothschild family controls the Fed.
YIP
Zack
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I posted the link, since I think it can help clear up the misconception that the Rothschild family controls the Fed.
YIP
Zack
what a waste of your time . . . you thought our village idiot was going to read your linked material?
I'm sure that, like me, you've been scrolling through a thread and realized that people cannot comprehend info you have presented in plain English . . . instead, they would rather rehash their same bullshit over and over again.
blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
people want to believe in the bogeyman so bad.
that's why I don't post info any more, most people (240, hag, etc) just come on here to endlessly post their old garbage and demonstrate their inability to process new info.
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that's why I don't post info any more, most people (240, hag, etc) just come on here to endlessly post their old garbage and demonstrate their inability to process new info.
I post new info every day. I have have quite a few stories up a few hours before MSM had them. I got shit on for posting there would be a ahmedijhad press conference that thurs am, when no media would post it and drudge pulled it quickly, and then it ended up being a 'surprise conference' 2 days later to all the analysts.
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I post new info every day. I have have quite a few stories up a few hours before MSM had them. I got shit on for posting there would be a ahmedijhad press conference that thurs am, when no media would post it and drudge pulled it quickly, and then it ended up being a 'surprise conference' 2 days later to all the analysts.
Big deal, the guy cancels a press confrence then had another one 2 days later without notice.
That would make the Saturday press conference a surprise since it was unscheduled, unannounced and not on the Thursday.
That is how surprise press confrences are reported.
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demonstrate their inability to process new info.
The very fact that I am not only posting news every day, but also analyzing, critiquing it, and looking for holes in the developing stories, should be more than enough to demonstrate that I can process new info.
One could argue that those who just hear the news and accept it all as instant fact, are the ones who cannot process the news. Instead, they just pass it through like ballpark nachos.
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blah, blah, blah . . . you deserve a medal for reducing everything that you watch on tv to the same dumb bullshit that you continually spew.
if you keep this up, soon all your peabrain will be able to articulate is, "Bush did it."
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I've made it clear it is my belief that Bush was a pawn on that day.
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blah, blah, blah . . . Rothschild this . . . yadda, yadda, yadda . . . Rothschild that.
can't believe this old schtick just doesn't go away.
so you're wanting to blame the Rothschilds?
is 240 now going to go cry to a mod to have my post deleted?
you're such a hypocritical pussy.
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I posted the link, since I think it can help clear up the misconception that the Rothschild family controls the Fed.
YIP
Zack
A very good link Hedge, however it wasn't my assertation that the Fed was owned and controlled by one family, but that it was in fact privately owned and it's power far outweighs what it should.
What if...
Debt was mounted on purpose? What would that do to you and me?
I believe it enslaves us. We (Americans, which I understand you are not) are subject to a fraudulent taxation system which is born of wars and backwards commerce. Someone stands to gain, someone in the tiny minority with the vast wealth to exploit it.
Rothschild's are implicated, yes, but are but one head of a hydra.
Al Gebra, I do not want to believe in the boogeyman, but I smell evil and I cannot ignore it's probability of existence. Now go ahead and blah blah me, I'm done posting here. If anyone wants to discuss this, PM me.
Thanks,
RM
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It's not my secret. It's just very difficult to converse about something so vast, one post at a time, in a media such as this. It requires limitless hours, and resources to piece it together. Even then it's just a thought. Just one way of looking at things.
I don't believe I have the answers. I think I'm open minded to an alternative history, and what it means about our circumstances.
I guess my clever attempt at wit was lost on you. :'(
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A very good link Hedge, however it wasn't my assertation that the Fed was owned and controlled by one family, but that it was in fact privately owned and it's power far outweighs what it should.
What if...
Debt was mounted on purpose? What would that do to you and me?
I believe it enslaves us. We (Americans, which I understand you are not) are subject to a fraudulent taxation system which is born of wars and backwards commerce. Someone stands to gain, someone in the tiny minority with the vast wealth to exploit it.
Rothschild's are implicated, yes, but are but one head of a hydra.
Al Gebra, I do not want to believe in the boogeyman, but I smell evil and I cannot ignore it's probability of existence. Now go ahead and blah blah me, I'm done posting here. If anyone wants to discuss this, PM me.
Thanks,
RM
I think you raise a very valid point in your concern.
IMO, the Fed should be owned by the state.
Because if someone is able to earn money out of the something, sooner or later, you're bound to see him or her try to make that happen.
Through lobbying or other means.
There are a few positives with having several banks as co-owners. It gives the Fed tremendous economic power, although this could be achieved in other ways.
YIP
Zack