commited in Africa...are commited by blacks...
i think its cause they r black....well i'm pretty sure they are...
i ws googling most paki islamic crimes and also crimes in indonesia...well what do ya know..most of em are black africans...
most criminals in US jails are blacks...
why fight terrorism out in the middle east when we have a black crime problem in the US....
...like this approach better eldon or would you rather me google US prison stats to back up my claim? :)
Ummm, although Eldon is obviously just posting threads about muslims to be inflammatory, which is not nice, I don't think this was the best response.Ofcourse it is. Quite obvious that the crime rates have to do with their skin color. Ofcourse you wont admit to this cause you're a little black.
Ummm, although Eldon is obviously just posting threads about muslims to be inflammatory, which is not nice, I don't think this was the best response.
Ofcourse it is. Quite obvious that the crime rates have to do with their skin color. Ofcourse you wont admit to this cause you're a little black.
The islamist scum speaks yet more drivel.Whatever, little black man.
How about islams inflammatory teaches of basic human rights, rights for women, tolerance? Are you so quick to forget the murders commited after the Popes quotations? Are you so quick to forget about the mayhem caused after the pictures of muhammad in the Danish papers?
Are you saying with should appease muslim and not question it, even tho the belief system that is islam has resulted in the death of my fellow countrymen and countrymen of my allies?
Is islam above criticism?
Seriously brother, see the fucking light. :-\
Ofcourse it is. Quite obvious that the crime rates have to do with their skin color. Ofcourse you wont admit to this cause you're a little black.
I would march into the school you allegedly graduated from and demand a refund. Tomorrow.
commited in Africa...are commited by blacks...
i think its cause they r black....well i'm pretty sure they are...
BB!!! No you didn't? :o I was screaming after I read this one! ;D ;D ;D ;DBWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
Man, you've been on a roll this week.HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Black people have the highest crime rates in the United States, not muslims. Blacks also make up most of the prison population. Not being racist here, stating facts. Some of the 9/11 terrorists were also black. ;) BUT THIS IS ALL COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. YOU CANNOT HOLD CERTAIN PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE SOME OTHER ASSHOLE OF THE SAME GROUP DID SOME STUPID SHIT.
Toxic, the way to fight biggotry is not with more biggotry. Eldon is scum, but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I could post about all the murders, rapes and robberies commited by African Americans in the US, but would that accomplish anything?
The point here is that you cannot hold one person accountable for the actions of others. I don't hate black people because Eldon makes annoying posts about anything negative concerning Islam, I don't sink to his level by starting several threads to blacken the reputations of the black community.
Eldon and Tre are special cases of the pot calling the kettle black. They should adress the problems in their own community before they shine in with their bullshit.
Black people have the highest crime rates in the United States, not muslims. Blacks also make up most of the prison population. Not being racist here, stating facts. Some of the 9/11 terrorists were also black. ;) BUT THIS IS ALL COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. YOU CANNOT HOLD CERTAIN PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE SOME OTHER ASSHOLE OF THE SAME GROUP DID SOME STUPID SHIT.
Toxic, the way to fight biggotry is not with more biggotry. Eldon is scum, but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I could post about all the murders, rapes and robberies commited by African Americans in the US, but would that accomplish anything?
The point here is that you cannot hold one person accountable for the actions of others. I don't hate black people because Eldon makes annoying posts about anything negative concerning Islam, I don't sink to his level by starting several threads to blacken the reputations of the black community.
Eldon and Tre are special cases of the pot calling the kettle black. They should adress the problems in their own community before they shine in with their bullshit.
You don't get it. Islam teaches hate, discrimination, lack of humanity etc etc. Why don't you send your daughter a islamic state for an education in something other than islam? Oh shit that's right! They aren't allowed to educate themselves in anything other than islam. Islam also makes it near impossible for a man to be done for RAPE. Normally it's the women who gets stoned/hung and the man gets lashings. [You need evidence? I CAN supply it.]
All muslims are guilty of following islam.
Stop calling me brother. Please ;Ddid u get my pm?
Of course Islam is not perfect. Is anything? I, despite you calling me brother, am a female so quite obviously I disagree with the restrictions placed on females.
I could post a zillion threads about catholic preists molesting kids. Are all catholics bad? No!
I could post a zillion threads about Americans committing crimes. Are all Americans bad? No!
I could post a zillion threads about soldiers committing rapes while serving in the miltary. Are all soldiers bad? No!
Etc..Etc..
Eldon's posts were valid yes, but it was blatanty obvious he was just posting threads with an anti-muslim bias.
haider,
I just checked you were talking to me!!!!!!
I have done nothing but defend Islam/Muslims and that is the response I get from one.
Way to look good and gain supporters.
How nice of you :-\
I think that would be one sect of Islam that teaches that terrible stuff, the same way some total nutty wings of Christianity, like those freaks who protest outside of marine's funerals, teach some total garbage.
We've got a few million here, who are peaceful types and totally condemn terrorism, like any normal person would. Only thing, they never make the news.....
Nope not one sect, all of islam teaches the koran and its satanic verses. The long you play down the threat the more of a problem it will become: US, UK, Sweden, France, Germany etc etc. I can show you evidence, but you will play on the same incorrect rhetoric of it not being a problem of islam itself.
What country do you come from?
We've got a few million here, who are peaceful types and totally condemn terrorism, like any normal person would. Only thing, they never make the news.....
i wish it were that easy . . . in the US, you have people supporting all kinds of things, but every single poster on our board who has a connection to Islam or the Middle East . . . uniformly supports the innocence of the "other side" (the non-Western one, ie Palestine in Israel-Palestine, Iran in Iran-US) . . . how do you explain that?
Hate breeds hate IMO. The more one group hates, another retailates with hate, the worse it will all become. Simplistic I know, but that is culturally normal here. "One love'. That simple.
You don't get it. Islam teaches hate, discrimination, lack of humanity etc etc. Why don't you send your daughter a islamic state for an education in something other than islam? Oh shit that's right! They aren't allowed to educate themselves in anything other than islam. Islam also makes it near impossible for a man to be done for RAPE. Normally it's the women who gets stoned/hung and the man gets lashings. [You need evidence? I CAN supply it.]
All muslims are guilty of following islam.
true . . . they've had over 900 years to learn to hate Europeans and their descendants. And everyone's had much longer to learn to hate the Jews . . . so I don't now how you begin to stop hate.
If the west stops hating (hating is too strong perhaps--how about "being wary"?) now, where does it end. will the west survive?
See Spain and other European countries who are once again being overrun by cultures spawned in the Middle East.
But why must people hate on a personal level? Calling me a monkey, telling me to "STFU" because I am not white so opinion doesn't matter, calling Haider islamic scum etc... does absolutely nothing to aid in safety of a nation. Nothing. Hating the muslim guy that works at the store , does not help safety.
I live alone, and do watch for my safety. Lock my doors all that crap. I do not however, attack my neighbours to maintain my safety.
Wary is good. Hating is not.
i wish it were that easy . . . in the US, you have people supporting all kinds of things, but every single poster on our board who has a connection to Islam or the Middle East . . . uniformly supports the innocence of the "other side" (the non-Western one, ie Palestine in Israel-Palestine, Iran in Iran-US) . . . how do you explain that?
some of them claim to be atheist, others even disown their heritage and claim to be something they're not, but still . . . they all skew one way. frankly, it's put me in a very difficult position, as I have some friends who are of Middle Eastern origin, but i wonder where their loyalties lie in this age.
Brother CQ, the Muslims have been invading the West since 711 . . . if your door was locked, they would try their best to kick it down and make you wear hijab (even though you are Brother CQ 8).
which is one of the reasons why I think people like 240 and jaguar are clueless . . . they have no sense of history.
The Arabs, Ottomans, North Africans and the Persians have all tried to conquer the west. However, based on this you have no right to pass judgement on someone like me.
I just want the American dream. You don't have to worry about me converting you to Islam, stealing your money or trying to bang your women. :P
The question is more about integration.
Western nations like France, Spain, UK, and the Netherlands had immigration policies from their colonies that made it easy to move to these countries.
No one ever thought about integration issues associated with implication of massive amounts of immigrants, every culture seemed to turn a blind eye to the fact these new immigrants weren't integrating.
The same holds true for the colonies. The Europeans never tried to integrate their values on these groups and in most cases were very oppressive. Now that the Europeans have left Africa and Asia the original systems of government and law were destroyed and replaced with a colonial system which includes a large amount of masterhood.
I find it ironic that America supposed to fix a European mess in Africa. The European countries left their colonies and didn't care how they would function. Well now we see the results.
Islamic fundamentalism is directly related to the poor living conditions and economic outlook of these former colonies.
Canadian Muslims seem to be mostly on side of the government and have been reporting the radicals directly to the RCMP.
you're welcome to my money and my women if you come by them fairly . . .
just don't send any of the money to some terrorist-spawning outfit in Pakistan and say you were supporting a "charity" . . .
Funding charity? HAHAHA good one..
I just spent like $200 on a half oz of weed and $30 on a bottle of Grey Goose. :'(
what about your parents?
this kind of an intellectual breakthrough could only be accomplished by someone who took "O" levels (not that weak GCSE shit) and whose high school diploma says "University of Cambridge."
Probably also largely the result of "princely" breeding.
;D
What about them? Once my mom goes to bed I get my goose on. ;D
Where is your evidence Toxic?
You speaketh teh shitteth.
all of juni's remarks are pre-screened by me
and i approve this message
it's genetic
ya need a microscope to see the 'thief' gene
1. "Once my mom goes to bed" . . . that is just so sad. ;D
2. Lots of people's parents support "charities" in the old country.
Brother CQ, the Muslims have been invading the West since 711 . . . if your door was locked, they would try their best to kick it down and make you wear hijab (even though you are Brother CQ 8).
which is one of the reasons why I think people like 240 and jaguar are clueless . . . they have no sense of history.
waiting for the proof .......
Sister Al-Gebra,
I understand you. You are speaking from a US viewpoint though, remember I speak from a different vantage point.
All I know is, and this is true if anyone cares to google it...
Only one country/people has ever threatened mine with violence
Only one country/people has ever caused harm to mine
Only one country/people has ever had their soldiers here and caused death.
Only one country/people cause fear to us
In 300+ years of history
I will say one thing, the nation is question is not based in the middle east.
[And, seriously, I am not being inflammatory here. Merely stating a fact.]
The muslims have never bothered us. Perhaps they are uninterested in our abundance of coconuts and bananas?
does nordic referring to you as "brother" really bother you? ;D i think he just doesn't know that you're a woman . . . there is no distinguishing "queen" in your handle any more.
after the bay of pigs incident, the US has been somewhat jumpy about goes on in your neck of the woods.
but the US has left you guys alone since then, hasn't it?
not sent wave after wave of attack over several centuries?
No, on the brother, I am used to it. Mostly everyone is male, so it is just assumed I am too by most ppl. I was just j/k calling you sister. I actually feel you are probably a hermaphrodite :-*
The US has 'officially' invaded 3 since the Bay of Pigs- Grenada, Dominican Republic, Panama. They seem not to want to play with Fidel anymore ;D There are other matters though, such as they have 'occupied' land here and the military guys are not really subject to our laws [laws like rape is illegal ::)]. At least on this island, we could not execute arrest warrants on them.
Haiti?
Ewwwww :-X
No offence meant, but if I lived in Haiti I doubt I would be online nor speak english with the fluency I do. Haiti is a very poor sad nation. I went there once, never again. Or if you meant that the US also invaded Haiti, which they did. I did not include it on my list, as most people feel that was fair. The others most people do not.
Right. That was an invasion too. When was the last time one country invaded another to reinstall a wrongfully deposed democratically elected president? You don't hear America haters (not you) talking about Haiti.
I think I read or heard once that Haiti has a 90 percent illiteracy rate? Or was that the unemployment rate? In either case: :o
I actually feel you are probably a hermaphrodite :-*
Question for you: How come Cuba gets away with basically telling the US to piss off all the time? Why doesn't the US retaliate in your opinion?
Haiti is a mess. Very sad and foreboding country. It was horrific. Most people have no roofs, shoes or anything. You just get a feel of despair there. It's not the poverty, I come from poverty so no thing to me, it is just the 'vibe'. Unexplainable. I will never set foot there again.
Question for you: How come Cuba gets away with basically telling the US to piss off all the time? Why doesn't the US retaliate in your opinion?
So is the general opinion that US will not play with Cuba because they feel that Russia will step in?
why do we have to play w Cuba? what are they doing to us?
the last time we messed around w Cuba, a crazy out of control general nearly leveled part of the Soviet Union. See Curtis LeMay. I think it scared us and the ussr onto the straight and narrow.
Play meaning...you know....have a war/invade/bomb etc.
Remember, I would get different news reports than you would here. We arranged to start trade, as well as have flights to Cuba about 3/4 yrs back. Next thing you know we are being threatened with sanctions[very bad] and the pullling of diplomatic ties etc. It was quite obvious the US did not want us to do this. The US ambassador had quite a lot to say about it. That somewhat made me assume the US is no fan of Cuba. Plus, Fidel is a nut...like Saddam. Major human rights violations. So the same premise could be said - if I make sense?
So CQ (sister), you've managed to turn my questioning of your appeasing attitude towards islam into your bitterness of the US? ???
I am hardly 'bitter' about the US. Why would I be?
The thread was 'hijacked' like many others are.
Call it an appeasing attitude, whatever you want, I think I already explained my attitude about hate in general. Hate is not my thing...end of story.
Hate? What about educating yourself on the threat instead of being ignorant to it?I do care about the world. I simply choose not to go around hating people. :)
Well, I am hardly Einstein, I really read this board to learn so do not expect some fantastic answer >:(
I do care about the world. I simply choose not to go around hating people. :)
Again, I am from a different part of the world. Do many people on this board worry about the threat of volcanic eruptions? Do many people worry about the threat of pirates? Probably not, as those issues are not problems where you live.
As far as educating myself, that is why I like this board, one of my initial posts in this thread.....
Eldon can't reply to this topic as he's probably off gangbanging and stealing escalades with 24 fooo00sz
Hate? What about educating yourself on the threat instead of being ignorant to it?Oh CQ, didn't u know that Nordic gets all his info from independent research, or at least from credible sources devioid of any agenda's? (though the moron acknowledged himself that he has an agenda, which I find very strange)
Do you have kids? Do you not give a shit about the world they were born into and their kids will be born into etc?
Oh CQ, didn't u know that Nordic gets all his info from independent research, or at least from credible sources devioid of any agenda's? (though the moron acknowledged himself that he has an agenda, which I find very strange)
Or atleast that's what he claims.
Oh CQ, didn't u know that Nordic gets all his info from independent research, or at least from credible sources devioid of any agenda's? (though the moron acknowledged himself that he has an agenda, which I find very strange)
Or atleast that's what he claims.
I just quote the koran, it's all in there. Do you deny this?You've been owned on this issue before, dont make me re-link to THAT thread again :) Your hatred runs so deep that you're unable to look beyond what is on the surface. (OMG it says "kill", the quran is evil!) You've been challenged to quote a text in context, but you were unable to do so. One wonders why? Maybe its all that hate that flows in your blood.
Yes, my agenda is to call for a "jihad" against the satanic pagan cult called "islam".
Or... just maybe... him and 4 of his gangsta thug buddies are filling your mother with the contents of their testicles?
You've been owned on this issue before, dont make me re-link to THAT thread again :) Your hatred runs so deep that you're unable to look beyond what is on the surface. (OMG it says "kill", the quran is evil!) You've been challenged to quote a text in context, but you were unable to do so. One wonders why? Maybe its all that hate that flows in your blood.
However, if you can flush out the estrogen in your system and talk with me like a normal *beep* human being, I would love to look at the verses. But the condition must be met that there will be no ad hominem attacks.
You're unable to accept reality brother. Anything critical of islam is either a falacy, mis-quoted, mis-translated etc etc.Better still, but cut the crap. We can convince each other of how stupid and biased we are all day but that wont get us anywhere- assuming you're not here just to push your agenda.
I'm unable to accept reality brother. Anything critical of islam is never a falacy, neither is it mis-quoted, nor mis-translated.A simple switching of words would be my retort to that ;D
Better still, but cut the crap. We can convince each other of how stupid and biased we are all day but that wont get us anywhere- assuming you're not here just to push your agenda.
The answer to all of the questions above is a simple No. As for your first question, it was discussed in good detail by Johnny("Tyrone Power" in that thread) in the Learning Islam thread and I admitted myself that I couldn't come up with a better answer.
Oh brother, that Silas guy really is a genius isn't he- claiming the Kaba to be a proof of paganism in Islam? Though that in itself is completely assasine, what is also amusing to me is that a christian guy is arguing for paganistic customs in Islam, hahahahahah. Perhaps he doesn't realise that the birth date of of Jesus(pbuh) that falls on his calendar has no basis in reality, except that Dec 25 has significance in pagan religions.
Just by linking the website, once again you have proved true about yourself what you claim about me (blind belief). Just because a link exists arguing something, doesn't mean it is true. I don't think you'd have a problem understanding that as it is simple logic, though I'm not sure the extent to which hatred is fueling your "arguments"(which in any case can delude a person).
Please refer back to Johnny's post regarding Aisha. If not I will post it for you again, as it is a pretty good explanation.
Ofcourse I dont think Muhammed(pbuh) killed anyone. He brought sanity back to arabia. It would go completely against his character.
Let me say this: No offense, but you know jackshyt about the Prophets character.
The ahadith dont contain lies, but they do contain wrong information as they are merely narrations, hence erroneous ahadith are inevitable. This is why ahadith are a secondary source, the primary being the Holy Qur'an ofcourse. The way you choose what is fact and fiction is the same way one would go about doing that for any historical events. Just because a history book may contain one wrong fact doesn't mean that all of it is false, and it isnt necessarily the case that lies were printed or an agenda was pushed.
You're right... i know jackshit about it... ::)Good, acnknowledging this is the first step towards gaining real knowledge. Hateful preconceptions ruin the mind.
He was a good man, had no interest in millitancy, didn't sleep with a 9 year old girl, didn't allow the slaughtering of jews, didn't threaten and terrorise states... ::)And you know these things for a fact? How? Because you found them on a website?
BLIND FAITH!
Good, acnknowledging this is the first step towards gaining real knowledge. Hateful preconceptions ruin the mind.
And you know these things for a fact? How? Because you found them on a website?
Seems to me that you cant quite grasp the idea of "iinocent until proven guilty"... You're assuming Muhammed(pbuh) was an evil man and you expect me to refute that starting from scratch. Just because you find some website that confirm your preconceived ideas doesn't mean that it is actual evidence. Seems that anything negative u come across about Islam you accept as fact, as evidenced in thsi thread(for example the ridiculous "moon god" myth and Islam's alleged pagan roots). Errrr, what do they call that..ummm.. blind faith?
And how many times do I have to remind you that the "blind faith", or "biased" argument DOESN'T work in a real debate? You either make a point or you don't. Nothing will defeat logic and truth. Bitterness only shows weakness in argument. Really, cut out the bitterness, WTF are u making this personal?
We, as Americans, can never see any point or view that disagrees with our as having any validity. That makes us pretty ignorant. The irony is that we're very proud of being culturally ignorant and feel every other place in the world (old or new) should conform and be like the greatest place in the world, America. :)
I do find it amusing that people somehow seem to feel abusing an anonymous (insert race/religion) will make them feel better about 911, being picked on by someone, Jehova's Witnesses interrupting Sunday football games, etc...
Ignorant americans indeed...
I am not american and you're justifying your appeasement and labelling every american in one foul swoop, well done!
Islam played no part in 911 right brother? None at all? It wasn't even used a tool to motivate the hijackers right?
It was obviously a pretty general statement but instead of responding you changed the topic. A lot of things played part in 911, radical Islam was one. That being said, most of them were Saudis (Wahabbi, sp). Americans (in general :)) tend to be culturally insensitive and have short memories. The first people who attempted to blow up the WTC were trained by us (CIA) in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. After their usefulness was exhausted, we forgot about the whole country and let it go more tribal. We (the American govornment) were in negotiations with the Taliban for an oil pipeline right up until the first plane hit.
This problem won't be solved by killing alone. Eventually all sides will have to make policy changes.
It was obviously a pretty general statement but instead of responding you changed the topic. A lot of things played part in 911, radical Islam was one. That being said, most of them were Saudis (Wahabbi, sp). Americans (in general :)) tend to be culturally insensitive and have short memories. The first people who attempted to blow up the WTC were trained by us (CIA) in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. After their usefulness was exhausted, we forgot about the whole country and let it go more tribal. We (the American govornment) were in negotiations with the Taliban for an oil pipeline right up until the first plane hit.
This problem won't be solved by killing alone. Eventually all sides will have to make policy changes.
You're such a liberal apologist that your comments burn my eyes! :o
You libbys like to over simplify things don't yah? ::)
Good luck with the appeasing attitude brother, be sure to tell us how far it gets you 10 years from now!
Ignorant americans indeed...
I am not american and you're justifying your appeasement and labelling every american in one foul swoop, well done!
Islam played no part in 911 right brother? None at all? It wasn't even used a tool to motivate the hijackers right?
Wow, pretty weak come back!Oh brother ::)
Did you think that one quote saying how jews should be greated somehow removes any weight from my previous quotes?
Oh brother ::)
A comeback is when you reply to an argument that holds any sort of value. And what exactly was your argument? Copy pasting a bunch of stuff from a website without even understanding what it's about? Now THAT is weak. If that's called an argument, I could just post a 100 different articles for u to come up with a comeback to.
I have an understanding of this trashy religion of yours, that's how i'm able to consistently own you.E...ppppppp....icc D..uhl..u...sionzzzzzzzz
Post away!
oh, why don't u explain how anyone (except yourself) got owned?
Apparently you've never read the Old Testament.
You (NS) should work on your debating skills. You're not coming off well here at all. Calling someone ignorant only works if you can prove it, LOL!
Any moron can C&P.
Also, you should try answering a direct question once and a while. Everytime someone calls you out, your only response is name-calling.
Let me guess, we're all muslim, liberal apologists, LOL!
Ok brother... who's the cry baby now? Implying i'm a nazi hmm... interesting arguementative case, that has no grounds over than my getbig name, which is in no way offensive.
Yes, British education, college and a very good university in joint computer science and mathematics.
What degree do you hold brother?
Do you think life would be any better if fundamentalist christians were in control of the world? They take the Bible as literal as some Muslims take the Quoran.
Maybe. Wait, what's a "fundamentalist Christian"?
People who have a literal interpretation of the bible. You know the whole if thy right eye offend thee pluck it out and so on...
I guess I fit that description. :-\ Although I won't be plucking any eyes. I just close them, turn my head, or think about something else. :)