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Title: Sally McNeil
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THE TOP ONE IS A PICTURE OF HER IN PRISON:



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
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THIS WAS HER, IN HER SECOND YEAR OF PRISON



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from the video, Dark Obsession by DePriest Enterprises



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a favorite of hers



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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: sandycoosworth on November 25, 2006, 07:37:07 AM
This thread looks so much better over here :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 22, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
   Should I tell her you said hi?
Tell her that the reason I haven't visited her at Chowchilla is because
the last time I came by I was nearly arrested for having taken a photo of the ominous looking perimeter from the "legal distance".  I threw the cop the roll of film and ran as fast as my amazing thighs would carry me.  The cop was pissed
that I got away, and my visiting priveleges were immediately revoked.  I
really don't like being in the custody of unkind people, see...and I really
don't care for prisons.  I've spent many days and nights in San Quentin myself.   
 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 26, 2007, 09:33:44 PM
Sally doesn't really like you...she thinks you're "crafty" in her words
Gratitude's an attitude. 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 27, 2007, 09:56:46 AM
why did you give up true crime writing, didn't you want to be the Ann Rule of bodybuilding?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 27, 2007, 05:00:33 PM
why did you give up true crime writing, didn't you want to be the Ann Rule of bodybuilding?
Keeping a .357 magnum on the dining room table made my houseguests squirm. ("That's Pamela Anderson's chandelier, those are Emmy Awards--and, um, THAT's my GUN.")   So after the Sports Illustrated project, I retired from homicide-investigation/writing completely, turning down an MSNBC special, a MOW and 3 book offers.  I never intended to write crime.  I was a FOOD WRITER, see, Ironman's Diet Diva.  I wrote "The Muscle Murders" series ONLY because EVERYone was asking me "what the Hell happened in that house", and the muscle mags weren't telling.  IRONMAN was the firstto buckle and run my investigations, then M & F, and then FLEX with a whopping 26-pager about a little blond gal named Sally MacNeil.  Once my jailhouse interviews were published and forensic science gave the victims a "voice" with which to tell their story, the subject of "athletes and agression" finally made it to the light.  At the very least, we now know OURSELVES better, and what situations to avoid.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 27, 2007, 07:26:27 PM
I got some mail that would make your head spin... ;)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 29, 2007, 10:06:31 AM
I got some mail that would make your head spin... ;)
So do I.  Which explains the vice around my skull.     


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on January 29, 2007, 11:03:48 AM
Tell her that the reason I haven't visited her at Chowchilla is because
the last time I came by I was nearly arrested for having taken a photo of the ominous looking perimeter from the "legal distance".  I threw the cop the roll of film and ran as fast as my amazing thighs would carry me.  The cop was pissed
that I got away, and my visiting priveleges were immediately revoked.  I
really don't like being in the custody of unkind people, see...and I really
don't care for prisons.  I've spent many days and nights in San Quentin myself.   
 

What did you do to end up in San Quentin?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 29, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
What did you do to end up in San Quentin?
Married a professional assasin.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 29, 2007, 01:05:20 PM
how long were you there for?  Medford has only WORKED in a women's prison


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on January 29, 2007, 01:38:56 PM
Married a professional assasin.
I hope you didn't help him on "take your wife to work day."  :-X


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 30, 2007, 11:26:35 AM
I hope you didn't help him on "take your wife to work day."  :-X
I never knew what he did for money when we lived together.
He took pains to conceal his trade from me.  I only discovered
the "correct truth" after I read his trial transcripts.  I never would've
believed it any other way.  One of his offenses resulted in 5 people
going down for life, including him, and his co-defendent committing
suicide after testifying against him.  He was a dangerous man,
but not evil.  I felt very safe with him.  He loved me very much.     


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on January 31, 2007, 03:38:01 PM
Wow Ramazon, you sound like you are "for real"...could you shed more details on your fascinating life...like a mini-autobiography, or something,...since you are a writer!??

Got any pics. to post?
Beauty is truth, Richard.  Sometimes it finds me.  The time I spent with murderers at San Quentin makes "time spent" with bodybuilders at Gold's Gym a piece of, um, cheesecake.  The subcultures of lifting steel bars vs.being behind bars are VERY similar.   The "trample the weak, hurdle the dead" hardcore mind set, and alla that chest-beatin' we do to Become the The Best is often rooted in self-contempt.  Somewhere in our up-bringing we got the messages we were weak, worthless and unwanted.  Bodybuilding was part of my search for significance,
value and self-acceptance.  And it worked.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 31, 2007, 06:18:57 PM
I got a couple of old pictures of you to post...but I don't wanna recycle old material.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 01, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
Beauty is truth, Richard.  Sometimes it finds me.  The time I spent with murderers at San Quentin makes "time spent" with bodybuilders at Gold's Gym a piece of, um, cheesecake.  The subcultures of lifting steel bars vs.being behind bars are VERY similar.   The "trample the weak, hurdle the dead" hardcore mind set, and alla that chest-beatin' we do to Become the The Best is often rooted in self-contempt.  Somewhere in our up-bringing we got the messages we were weak, worthless and unwanted.  Bodybuilding was part of my search for significance,
value and self-acceptance.  And it worked.

Ramazon, you just sound like a fascinating, knowledgable, intelligent, highly accomplished, and experienced FBB woman.  You are a breath of fresh air on these boards (like Dina)!  I sure would like to get to know you better!

Just guessing on your Getbig moniker "Ramazon"...you wouldn't be Teagan Clive would you(?)...now, there is a REAL legend in FBB; writer, former top-level competitive FBBer, and actress!!

As you well know, these boards are filled with ignorant male chauvinist pig posters who don't know "shiit from shinola" about the fantastic changes women can, and have, made to their bodies through intelligent weight-training/dieting/etc....with two excellent examples: Bev Francis and Jan Todd.

Having personally trained at least 50 girls/women over some 40 years as a health-club instructor, personal trainer, Olympic lifting coach, martial-arts instructor, and HS free-style wrestling coach, I tirelessly encouraged my female trainees/students to train "hard and heavy" with the free weights on just the core strength BB movements (squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, and Olympic lifts, as applicable). 

In the process of their physical transformations though intelligent progressive resistance weight-training, I have seen these girls/women bring about remarkable changes in their physical appearance, become physically stronger than most men (including several "macho types" in the gym!), and gain enormous self-confidence, PLUS get rid of their chauvinist pig, controlling, insanely-jealous, boyfriends (even husbands!) who just couldn't handle their inner and outer total mental and physical transformations and GROWTH...as these girls/women gained self-confidence, respect for themselves, and reveled in their new bodies and vastly improved self-image!! 

Also, the ability of the magnificent competitive FBB women to change their "look" in just a few short months is simply AMAZING and their dieting regimens/self-discipline (!!!) is just UNREAL!

Yeah, the highly self-disciplined, accomplished, usually well-educated, career-accomplished, FBB woman is just TOO MUCH ALL-FEMALE woman for most of the insecure "men" who frequent these boards to try and handle!!  So, all they can do is gang-up like juveniles (after all, "courage" is in numbers!) and bash/flame/ridicule these magnificent female athletes/artists with their ignorant, never-ending, personal attacks!

Oh, and as the likes of Ray McNeil found out, sure, Sally is "doing time" but, at least Ray won't be intimidating, pushing-around, and beating-up any more unfortunate women!  In that regard, Sally did society, and womanhood, a service!  There needs to be more "Sallys" out there!!! 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 01, 2007, 10:23:45 AM
Jesus, It's getting deep in here, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 01, 2007, 12:44:19 PM
sally is my hero.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 01, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
don't have to be about the killing

the marine thing, the whole bodybuilding/schmoe trip, lotsa stuff there I like

and she is living it, in prison, day after day, staying sane in an insane world

she's da bomb


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 01, 2007, 01:04:45 PM
don't have to be about the killing

the marine thing, the whole bodybuilding/schmoe trip, lotsa stuff there I like

and she is living it, in prison, day after day, staying sane in an insane world

she's da bomb

Plenty of people have proudly served, tons of people lift weights, many 5th tier competitors have schmoes. Dig deeper.

She put herself in jail.

I'm guessing there's someone you wanted to kill and lacked whatever it takes to pull the triggers, reload and pull the triggers again. You're mistaking revenge for strength. True strength would have been going through the whole process; divorce, visitation, lifestyle changes, child support, etc... She took the easy way out.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 01, 2007, 02:20:48 PM
Plenty of people have proudly served, tons of people lift weights, many 5th tier competitors have schmoes. Dig deeper.

She put herself in jail.

I'm guessing there's someone you wanted to kill and lacked whatever it takes to pull the triggers, reload and pull the triggers again. You're mistaking revenge for strength. True strength would have been going through the whole process; divorce, visitation, lifestyle changes, child support, etc... She took the easy way out.

Drkaje, you ignorance on such subjects is truly disturbing!!!  You sit off in your removed, out-of-touch with reality, ivory tower and pass judgement on things you don't know "shiit-from-shinola" about!

Having grown up in an abusive home where my father regularly physically beat both my mother and myself, I promise you that many victims in that situation, through a combination of fear and self-preservation, seriously consider killing their predator mate/parent...as the ONLY way out!  You are literally "worn-down" emotionally/psychologically where you will seriously consider anything, including murder, to end the constant abuse!

This is particularly true if you believe your psycho, demented, predator, mate's/parent's threats that they will never let you leave, or be able escape this abusive environment...i.e. "they will hunt you down".  Uhhh...you don't just walk-out/leave and hope to be safe!

Sally, in a very abusive environment, just wasn't very smart in the way she went about disposing of predator Ray.  Hopefully, other women in a similar situation will dispose of their abusive mate in a more intelligent/creative fashion!

And, if you think "filing complaints" with the police and "going through legal channels" will adequately protect you from such brutal, demented, predators...then, you have the realistic stark evidence of the legions of battered/abused women "6 feet under" who "unsuccessfully" took this very route and were subsequently killed by their predator mate/ex-mate.  As the law means nothing to these psychos!

However, Sally's approach, if done intelligently...i.e KILL THEM!...gets rid of these psycho, demented, predators, PERMANENTLY...that way these battered women  don't constantly have to "keep looking over their shoulders" and living in constant fear!l   


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 01, 2007, 02:36:03 PM
Drkaje, you ignorance on such subjects is truly disturbing!!!  You sit off in your removed, out-of-touch with reality, ivory tower and pass judgement on things you don't know "shiit-from-shinola" about!

Having grown up in an abusive home where my father regularly physically beat both my mother and myself, I promise you that many victims in that situation, through a combination of fear and self-preservation, seriously consider killing their predator mate/parent...as the ONLY way out! 

This is particularly true if you believe your psycho, demented, predator, mate's/parent's threats that they will never let you leave, or be able escape this abusive environment...i.e. "they will hunt you down".  Uhhh...you don't just walk-out/leave and hope to be safe!

Sally, in a very abusive environment, just wasn't very smart in the way she went about disposing of predator Ray.  Hopefully, other women in a similar situation will dispose of their abusive mate in a more intelligent/creative fashion!

And, if you think "filing complaints" with the police and "going through legal channels" will adequately protect you from such brutal, demented, predators...then, you have the realistic stark evidence of the legions of battered/abused women "6 feet under" who "unsucessfully" took this very route and were subsequently killed by their predator mate/ex-mate.  As the law means nothing to these psychos!

However, Sally's approach, if done intelligently...i.e KILL THEM!...gets rid of these psycho, demented, predators, PERMANENTLY...that way these battered women  don't constantly have to "keep looking over their shoulders" and living in constant fear!l   

Thank you. The muscle-chick fetish finally makes sense.

Still waiting for Medfool to give a sensical answer.

If I said OJ was a great warrior against blondes taking alimony from rich black men, you'd all be aghast. Yet, she's some icon to the abused.  It's BS (won't swear, not fully familiar with the forum's rules).  She took the easy way out, no matter how you slice it.

A. You cannot get his side of the story. Hmmmmm, I wonder why. I remember, he's dead. One more dead black guy doesn't matter too much in the US. If a blonde girl gets killed or goes missing the national guard gets sent out, LOL!

Unlike others, I can tell "shit from shinola" and that's why I'm calling BS here. If she only shot him once, I'd believe self defense. If she just emptied the gun, I'd be willing to believe temporary insanity. No! She emptied the gun, re-loaded and emptied it again.... no matter how you slice it she murdered him.

Abusing women is wrong but we're supposed to be a nation of laws, not excuses.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 01, 2007, 03:40:15 PM
sally is hard, tough, but still feminine somehow...she's got a real quiet strength and integrity to her 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 09, 2007, 06:39:57 PM
Sally on the outside wouldn't even give you the time Meddy


What is she doing these days?  Looks like from the Prision Photo's she's attempting that Date/Write A Felon program


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 09, 2007, 06:45:44 PM
Sally on the outside wouldn't even give you the time Meddy


What is she doing these days?  Looks like from the Prision Photo's she's attempting that Date/Write A Felon program

Knny,

You know damn well what she'll be looking for after getting out of jail, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 09, 2007, 07:04:18 PM
Knny,

You know damn well what she'll be looking for after getting out of jail, LOL!

Well, Meddy doesn't have money & she doesn't have a place to crash.

Sally really can't free load on Meddy....


so I doubt that Meddy will even be contacted


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2007, 12:15:30 PM
Well, Meddy doesn't have money & she doesn't have a place to crash.

Sally really can't free load on Meddy....


so I doubt that Meddy will even be contacted

I hope her next guy doesn't go shopping for chicken after an argument. She'll end up being a hero again.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 10, 2007, 12:35:50 PM
I hope her next guy doesn't go shopping for chicken after an argument. She'll end up being a hero again.

It's one thing if she shot just one time.....but when she reloaded & shot him a second time (and in the face)....her story sank


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2007, 12:48:30 PM
It's one thing if she shot just one time.....but when she reloaded & shot him a second time (and in the face)....her story sank

It's a good thing he was black, LOL!

Otherwise, she would have gotten the death penalty.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 11, 2007, 05:47:54 PM
It's one thing if she shot just one time.....but when she reloaded & shot him a second time (and in the face)....her story sank

Is that you “knny 187”, with over 16,000 Getbig posts under this alias and some 40,000-odd posts under all of your other aliases???!   Knny’s a Getbig “urban legend” guys!

Uhhh…Knny, do you and Doc remember the case of Francine Hughes!??  Francine, who after enduring 13 years of physical abuse/battering “snapped” and, in March, 1977, while her abusive husband was upstairs in their home sleeping, bundled her children into their family car and went back into her husband’s bedroom and set his bed on fire, and then blithely drove-off with the kids while her husband burned to death as their house went up in flames!!

You may recall that Farrah Fawcett "immortalized" Francine's story in the movie The Burning Bed.

Uhhh…how is Francine’s murder of her husband any different from Sally’s IN INTENT (hey, by comparison, Ray’s homicide was more “humane” than Francine’s husband!)??!

Yet, Francine “walked” and Sally gets life for essentially the same “premeditated” (or “snapped”…pushed to the "breaking point”) crime!???

I am sure that Sally’s general pubic jury saw her as some “huge, muscular”, illegal drug/‘roid taking, female bodybuilder…even though I am sure the RELATIVE physical differences (size/weight/strength) between Francine and her husband were approximately same as between Ray and Sally! 


It's a good thing he was black, LOL!

Otherwise, she would have gotten the death penalty.

Shame on you Doc, playing the tiresome “race card”…ho hum!!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2007, 08:03:24 PM
Is that you “knny 187”, with over 16,000 Getbig posts under this alias and some 40,000-odd posts under all of your other aliases???!   Knny’s a Getbig “urban legend” guys!

Uhhh…Knny, do you and Doc remember the case of Francine Hughes!??  Francine, who after enduring 13 years of physical abuse/battering “snapped” and, in March, 1977, while her abusive husband was upstairs in their home sleeping, bundled her children into their family car and went back into her husband’s bedroom and set his bed on fire, and then blithely drove-off with the kids while her husband burned to death as their house went up in flames!!

You may recall that Farrah Fawcett "immortalized" Francine's story in the movie The Burning Bed.

Uhhh…how is Francine’s murder of her husband any different from Sally’s IN INTENT (hey, by comparison, Ray’s homicide was more “humane” than Francine’s husband!)??!

Yet, Francine “walked” and Sally gets life for essentially the same “premeditated” (or “snapped”…pushed to the "breaking point”) crime!???

I am sure that Sally’s general pubic jury saw her as some “huge, muscular”, illegal drug/‘roid taking, female bodybuilder…even though I am sure the RELATIVE physical differences (size/weight/strength) between Francine and her husband were the approximately same as between Ray and Sally! 


Shame on you Doc, playing the tiresome “race card”…ho hum!!


Bullshit!

If the situation were reversed, not one person here would be celebrating Ray's actions. Now you're gonna pretend she wasn't an androgen-jacked, ex-marine*. I just find the whole stream of thought hypocritical and tire of people making lame-assed excuses for wrong behavior. As far as race cards go.... not one person here can lie well enough to convince us that his race wasn't a factor in this case.

I really don't have time to track silly shit like that but... the next time a black guy goes off and kills a bunch of white people, I hope someone sends me an e-mail so he can be proclaimed a hero, LOL!

Another thing I find funny as hell is that none of the Sallyites new Ray or have any actual firsthand knowledge of the ralationship's nature. Yet! They're convinced Ray deserved killing. Stupid ideas being advanced like this make it pretty hard to feel sympathy for real abuse victems who actually snap because they end up being compared to murderers.

* Note: Honestly, there's no such thing as an ex-marine. It's more a case of hyperbole to prove my point.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: bigguns175 on February 11, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
Not to butt my head in... well, that is exactly what I plan on doing.

I have to agree with the doc on this one.

There is no excuse in this case for what she did.  You shouldn't be idolizing her for her man killing ways, you people should be disgusted with her. 

She stayed in the abusive relationship.... it's her fault, she is an idiot and didn't leave.  If she was so empowered why didn't she just pack her shit and say bye bye and leave and move on with her life.  You know why because she's a freaking NUTJOB, who was weak and just sat by and took it until she cracked.  From the reports who knows if he really was abusive she just might been going through some depression or emotional imbalance from all the drugs and roid-raged his ass.

The main point is this situation could have been completely avoided.  Nobody needed to die.  Nobody has the right to take another person's life and she broke those rules and now is getting what she deserves.

"Respondent Sally Marie McNeil killed her husband after an argument over his infidelity and spending habits. The State of California charged her with murder. Respondent's theory at trial was that her husband had tried to strangle her during the argument, but that she had escaped, fetched a shotgun from the bedroom, and killed him out of fear for her life. Fingernail marks were indeed found on her neck after the shooting. She testified that her husband had been abusive, and a defense expert opined that she suffered from Battered Women's Syndrome. The State countered with forensic evidence showing that the fingernail marks were not her husband's and may have been self-inflicted, and with the testimony of a 911 operator who overheard respondent tell her husband she had shot him because she would no longer tolerate his behavior. "


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 11, 2007, 09:54:54 PM
Bullshit!

If the situation were reversed, not one person here would be celebrating Ray's actions. Now you're gonna pretend she wasn't an androgen-jacked, ex-marine*. I just find the whole stream of thought hypocritical and tire of people making lame-assed excuses for wrong behavior. As far as race cards go.... not one person here can lie well enough to convince us that his race wasn't a factor in this case.

I really don't have time to track silly shit like that but... the next time a black guy goes off and kills a bunch of white people, I hope someone sends me an e-mail so he can be proclaimed a hero, LOL!

Another thing I find funny as hell is that none of the Sallyites new Ray or have any actual firsthand knowledge of the ralationship's nature. Yet! They're convinced Ray deserved killing. Stupid ideas being advanced like this make it pretty hard to feel sympathy for real abuse victems who actually snap because they end up being compared to murderers.

* Note: Honestly, there's no such thing as an ex-marine. It's more a case of hyperbole to prove my point.

Uhhh...uhhh...Doc, you do see the similarities between the Francine Hughes case/situation and Sally's don't you???!  I mean at the time Francine and Sally (BOTH suffering from years of physical abuse at the hands of men much bigger and stronger than they were) decided to kill their husbands, these men were relatively defenseless.  

Although both men were in a similar "helpless" situation at the time they were murdered...the "ignorant of bodybuilding" general public jury that tried Sally stereotyped her (as you said) a "jacked/juiced" ex-marine, strongwoman, female wrestler, etc. and such a stereotyped, NEGATIVE, image of FBBers, like Sally, helped convict her...i.e. they are ALL drug-crazed, 'roid rage, FREAKS!

In reality though, Sally was in the same relative legal/abusive/physical-size-disadvantaged position as Francine Hughes.  Both of these women just "snapped" at the point in time they decided to kill their husbands.  In PRINCIPLE, what they did was NO different!!

Francine was found innocent because her jury viewed her premeditated homicidal act as "self defense"!  In other words, her general public jury "identified" her as a "normal" woman..."one of them"...and not some bodybuilding FREAK.  But, in reality, Francine and Sally had been facing identical physical/emotional/psychological abuse...over many years...when they finally "snapped".

I mean, the non-bodybuilding/non-exercising general public (potential jurors of BBers in the future) only has to come to Getbig's forums and read the 80-90% moron-level posts, or go to the "Steroids Info & Hardcore" forum!!  And then, come away convinced that ALL bodybuilders are illegal drug-using/drug-dealing, walking 'roid rage time bombs, and a MENACE TO SOCIETY!! And, who would blame them after reading the majority of the vulgar, libelous, threatening, moronic, posts on these forums??!  


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: bigguns175 on February 12, 2007, 12:17:31 AM
What is your point Rich???

That she didn't get off and get scott free because her reputation and persona came away as a person who would commit murder.

Well buddy, don't know how to tell you it but she did commit murder and is getting what she deserves and glad that the jury was able to put 2 and 2 together and come to the right decision.

You shouldn't be mad at the jurors for doing there job, because they made the right decision.  You should be mad that sally mcneil is making bodybuilding look bad and giving us all this persona of roided out crazy people that will just snap and kill.

So what if that francine lady got off. Lucky her, the judicial system failed that day.  It was an accident she should be in jail too, not sally be free.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 12, 2007, 07:02:03 AM
BigGuns, hope things are going well for you guy!? 

Oh me, here we go again...

My father was a big "rough, tough", ex-marine...and I don't mean this sarcastically as he weighed over 200 all-natural, raw-boned, lbs. (a pretty big guy in the 1940's and 1950's, and I promise you someone you wouldn't want to "run into in a dark alley some night"!).

He temporarily instructed hand-to-hand combat in the Corps, and served in WWII in the invasions of both Guam and Iwo Jima.  When sober, he "swore" over and over again that only a "cowardly man" would ever beat/batter a woman.  Yet, he literally beat my mother on a regular basis when he was drunk...as he was "mean as hell" then!

The neighbors called the police on him several times and my mother (and myself) were totally intimidated and "scared to death" of him!  She truly believed that she could not "escape him" as he threatened her life if she ever tried to leave him.  During some of these beatings, I tried to intervene and he beat the shiit out of me, too!

Both my mother and myself were convinced that the ONLY way to escape him was to kill him!  Fortunately, he died of natural causes, due to his "hard living", before either of us could carry out his premeditated homicide.  And, for your info., protection of the law, in the 1950's, from male spousal abuse/beatings was an absolute JOKE!!!

BigGuns, like I said above somewhere/elsewhere, ONLY unless you have lived day-to-day in an emotionally charged/explosive environment like that can you have ANY realistic concept of what it was/is like!!  Otherwise, it is just like Nancy Reagan, off in her ivory tower TOTALLY out of touch with reality, telling hooked hard drug users "to just say no/quit"!

What I am saying is that both Sally and Francine should have been tried by a jury of mainly women, who themselves had to experience spousal physical beatings, and maybe a few BBers as well (who don't think that all BBers are drug-crazed, 'roid rage, freaks)! 

Of course, IMO, Sally is not totally innocent...but neither is she totally guilty...of the crime, considering the very extenuating circumstances!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 12, 2007, 10:45:35 AM
I never 'hung' with Sally & Ray and wouldn't consider them friends back in the day....but I have a lot of close friends (former Marines, Gym Owners) & even a co-worker that knew them up close and personal & spent a lot of time with them.

Sally was a 'high strung' idiot...plain & simple.  Her ego was severely inflated & Ray was as mellow as they came.   Now....with that being said....I cannot say Ray never took a swung at Sally...but folks....if you knew them....Sally was the aggressor in the relationship.  Ray was pulling her off people fight after fight.  Sally was arrested for domestic disturbance & domestic violence....not Ray.  When the cops came for her...she resisted arrest & tried throwing one over the balcony & would have succeeded if the cops partner wasn't there.  I don't know how many arresting officers were there that day, but there was quite a few of them that had to subdue/restrain her for the arrest.

I've said this before on getbig....but I remember that valentines day in 1995 like it was yesterday.  I just got back from Okinawa & I walked into my company office & there was an old lifting buddy of mine that used to train/compete with Ray.  He said.."did you hear the news"...."no" I replied.  The he said "She blew his face off & killed him.  So many times I warned Ray that she was unstable & she was going to kill him some day and he always told me 'no man....don't worry so much'. 


Well...I'm not too sure if prison changed her much.  I seriously doubt it.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 12, 2007, 12:37:26 PM
Please note, I am periodically weaning this thread down to pictures only...but I will answer your questions before I do that.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 12, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
Please note, I am periodically weaning this thread down to pictures only...but I will answer your questions before I do that.

You do that....& I'll report your violation to Ron


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 12, 2007, 04:39:27 PM
Please note, I am periodically weaning this thread down to pictures only...but I will answer your questions before I do that.

Here we go, LOL! People finally start discussing the case and you can't handle the conversation's content/direction. Richard and I are disagreeing within the forum's rules, there is no legitimate reason to "wean" the thread. Next you'll pull a ~flour~ and move it to another forum.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 12, 2007, 10:06:33 PM
I never 'hung' with Sally & Ray and wouldn't consider them friends back in the day....but I have a lot of close friends (former Marines, Gym Owners) & even a co-worker that knew them up close and personal & spent a lot of time with them.

Sally was a 'high strung' idiot...plain & simple.  Her ego was severely inflated & Ray was as mellow as they came.   Now....with that being said....I cannot say Ray never took a swung at Sally...but folks....if you knew them....Sally was the aggressor in the relationship.  Ray was pulling her off people fight after fight.  Sally was arrested for domestic disturbance & domestic violence....not Ray.  When the cops came for her...she resisted arrest & tried throwing one over the balcony & would have succeeded if the cops partner wasn't there.  I don't know how many arresting officers were there that day, but there was quite a few of them that had to subdue/restrain her for the arrest.

I've said this before on getbig....but I remember that valentines day in 1995 like it was yesterday.  I just got back from Okinawa & I walked into my company office & there was an old lifting buddy of mine that used to train/compete with Ray.  He said.."did you hear the news"...."no" I replied.  The he said "She blew his face off & killed him.  So many times I warned Ray that she was unstable & she was going to kill him some day and he always told me 'no man....don't worry so much'. 


Well...I'm not too sure if prison changed her much.  I seriously doubt it.


Knny, an excellent post and certainly revealing and logically supportive of Ray!

If we live long enough and cross the paths of enough couples, and observe their relationships, we periodically observe the volatile “Sally and Ray couple mix” and wonder just when the explosion is going to take place…an accident truly waiting to happen!!  Whether these “star-crossed” relationships are fueled by genetics, alcohol, or other drugs…or a combination of these factors…who knows?!  I’ve seen several!

Also, our individual-backgrounds/life-experiences sadly prejudice our viewpoint(s) on so many things, regardless of how hard we try to be objective…and sincerely “think” we are!

Each case of spousal physical abuse has to be judged on its own merits!   Very often, these women commit murder after “losing it” as the result of repeated physical abuse and repeated affairs (similar to what was rumored for Ray).  But, as Knny in essence said, “it takes TWO to tango”!

I think the comparison of the Francine Hughes case and Sally’s is a fascinating one.   If Farrah Fawcett played Francine correctly in the movie, she came across in the courtroom as being 100% the victim.  Obviously, Sally did not and her volatile background helped convict her, along with her BB drug usage, and, sadly, possibly the “BB stigma” (as viewed by the general public)!   

In addition (and a BIG addition), we only have to look at the on-going Titus/Ryan case to appreciate the level of removal from reality (e.g. paranoia), and erratic volatility, that the dope-clouded minds of these long-term, drug-using, BBers experience…where they are very apparently mixing recreational drugs with BB drugs in their stacks.   In that regard, I imagine this was the "common thread" running between the mental states of Craig/Kelly and Sally/Ray.  In other words, who knows what was going on in their feverish minds at the time that their alleged/actual crimes were committed!?? 




Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 13, 2007, 10:49:47 AM
Yes...I agree it takes two.

The main thing that everyone knew....is Ray liked women.  Now Sally had A LOT of alternate things she could have done.  She did not have children with the man....so the door was always there to leave.  The thing with Sally is....if she couldn't have Ray....nobody was going to have him.  This is one of the real reasons she blew his face off.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 13, 2007, 12:22:40 PM
really, knny.  all I want to do is keep this thing from growing into a huge 10 page thing.  I privately PM'd everyone else so far to let them know when I deleted posts, and it didn't bother anybody.  I want to keep it to under 5 pages but keep all of the pictures

maybe she will let me scan in a recent picture...I will have to ask


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 13, 2007, 01:05:29 PM
really, knny.  all I want to do is keep this thing from growing into a huge 10 page thing.  I privately PM'd everyone else so far to let them know when I deleted posts, and it didn't bother anybody.  I want to keep it to under 5 pages but keep all of the pictures

maybe she will let me scan in a recent picture...I will have to ask

are you a thread nazi?

how about freedom of speech?  Never heard of that?



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 13, 2007, 02:37:52 PM
are you a thread nazi?

how about freedom of speech?  Never heard of that?



Yeah, LOL!

People are clamoring for pics.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 13, 2007, 06:07:08 PM
hey, I asked everyone so far with a PM before I weaned this down.  that's hardly being a thread nazi

It also makes no damn sense

wean a thread because you don't like the content or the dirction of the topic?

how about shooting someone here in the face with a shotgun if you can't get your way?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 13, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
not my way.  I asked people and they didn't mind, so I weaned the posts.  If you're going to cry about it, I won't touch your posts.

PS Sally is my hero.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 13, 2007, 06:32:06 PM
not my way.  I asked people and they didn't mind, so I weaned the posts.  If you're going to cry about it, I won't touch your posts.

PS Sally is my hero.

It also makes no damn sense

wean a thread because you don't like the content or the dirction of the topic?

how about shooting someone here in the face with a shotgun if you can't get your way?

Hey Meddy, this thread (which I thought was as "dead-as-a-doornail") is now becoming quite interesting intellectually...so please don't be (what did they call it?) a "thread Nazi"!??

One big difference, IMO, that the juries of Francine and Sally observed was the role illegal drugs played in the mental make-up of these women at the times they committed their respective homicides...and thus clouded/skewed the reasoning/logic processes of these murderers! 

Apparently, their respective juries thought illegal drugs played a negligible role in the homicide case of Francine Hughes, but a major role in the homicide case of Sally...and thus, blamed Sally for her "illegal drug use", which I think played a major role in her be found guilty!

Not the actual amount of illegal drugs in their bodies at the time, but the PERCEPTION of the amount of these drugs as perceived by the general public, acting in the roles of both jurors and judge!

Remember, it is not actual reality/truth that sways juries, but their perception of reality!



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 13, 2007, 07:46:10 PM
thread nazi....


don't touch my shit


thank you


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: bigguns175 on February 13, 2007, 08:19:29 PM
The defense attorney's get to pick the juror.  Sure, they picked people that they thought were non-biased and be sympathetic to their case.  So don't think the jurors should be that big of a factor.  They did their job correctly based on the evidence. 

Maybe Sally showed no remorse in court and Francine did...who knows...

Maybe Sally's testimony didn't hold up as well with... who knows...

Maybe Sally is just a cold blooded killer who shot her husband and reloaded the gun and shot him again... we all know that  :D


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 14, 2007, 11:20:26 AM
okay knny I won't pull any posts...ya know what?  I might repost all the pictures again after this dies down, thought, cause I like the pictures


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 14, 2007, 01:31:21 PM
how wonderful




Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 14, 2007, 02:00:35 PM
People in jail are only going to tell their side of the story.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 14, 2007, 03:14:03 PM
The defense attorney's get to pick the juror.  Sure, they picked people that they thought were non-biased and be sympathetic to their case.  So don't think the jurors should be that big of a factor.  They did their job correctly based on the evidence. 

Maybe Sally showed no remorse in court and Francine did...who knows...

Maybe Sally's testimony didn't hold up as well with... who knows...

Maybe Sally is just a cold blooded killer who shot her husband and reloaded the gun and shot him again... we all know that  :D

Good points, BG...but, which is a more "humane" way to kill some...double blast them with a shotgun, or burn them alive...frankly , I 'd choose the former "way to go"!

No doubt, that Sally came across as being a MUCH LESS helpless female than Francine...i.e. unable to defend herself!!  And then, we have the issue of her taking "male hormones to build masculine-looking muscle and strength...all "pure poison"/anathema/unforgiveable acts, I'm sure, in the eyes of a "general public" jury!

I am sure that these juries compared Sally in size/demeanor with "normal frail women" in judging Sally's ability to take care-of/defend herself...probably, overlooking the relative size of Ray..surely, this was another factor, as well, leading to her conviction!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 14, 2007, 07:28:39 PM
A much better revenge would have been a divorce and taking half his shi...., sorry. I forgot he was a bodybuilder. :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 14, 2007, 08:57:16 PM
If Ray McNeil were alive right now, what would he be doing?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 15, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
Ray didn't die right away.....

he was in agony & moaned "why" all the way up before he died.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Richard2004 on February 15, 2007, 04:10:05 PM
Ray didn't die right away.....

he was in agony & moaned "why" all the way up before he died.

Knny, your avatars are absolutely hilarious!!!

You know, I think an analogy can be drawn between a jury (or anyone) trying to pass judgment on what Sally and Francine did, being the victims of spousal abuse, and what soldiers who commit “war crimes” do in a combat zone.

IMO, you can only judge people who have experienced severe emotional trauma FAIRLY and ACCURATELY provided you have personally experienced the same emotional trauma.  What’s that old saying (words to that effect)…”not until you’ve walked a mile in my moccasins”. 

Ideally, Sally should have been judged by a panel of jurors who were all the victims of spousal abuse.  As I said, I would probably have killed my father, while he slept, because of my eventual fear and hatred of him when he got drunk and beat me and my mother over many years.  I truly thought at the time because of ignorance, or whatever, that this was the ONLY solution to the problem.  Fortunately, he died of natural causes before I could act on my aberrated thinking.

The analogy of Sally’s homicide to soldiers in a combat zone committing war crimes is that both situations are ones of extreme mental/physical/emotional/psychological trauma where things build, and build up, and, at times, you just SNAP!

As mentioned somewhere else, my father served in WWII in the Pacific Theater in the battles for Guam and Iwo Jima.  My mother said that prior to his service he never drank, or smoked, and was always kind and gentle to both of us.  When he returned from the war, he was a changed man, drank and smoked heavily, and had developed a real short fuse of explosive anger.  He later related to us his intense hatred for the Japanese and the fact that he and his fellow soldiers killed several Japanese prisoners-of-war in cold blood simply because they didn’t want to be bothered with them, or because they simply hated their guts.

I thought these acts on my father’s part “were monstrous” and that he was a true “war criminal” until I, in turn, was drafted and shipped-off to Vietnam, in the mid-sixties…and it was like being dropped off of a “space ship” into another world!!!   

When you see your buddies/fellow-soldiers brutally murdered and their bodies DEFILED; for example, a VC  U.S. soldier POW who was murdered and deliberately “left behind” for your advancing company to find; decapitated and the severed head set on the torso’s chest with the body’s testicles and penis stuck into the decapitated head’s mouth; you develop such an INTENSE HATRED for your enemy that you totally “dehumanize them”, and there becomes no such thing as taking (or keeping) prisoners-of-war! 

Only by God’s grace in that INSANE environment did I personally not commit a “war crime”.  But I often “looked the other way” when they were committed…and they were committed around me all the time! 

All I am saying is that there is NO WAY ANYONE can FAIRLY judge individuals committing war crimes in a combat zone, OR women committing spousal homicide like Sally and Francine did, until they themselves have PERSONALLY experienced the SAME THING(S) in a SIMILAR ENVIRONMENT!!!

Otherwise, you are TRULY off in an ivory tower out-of-touch with reality!!




Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ramazon on February 16, 2007, 01:19:06 AM
Knny, your avatars are absolutely hilarious!!!

You know, I think an analogy can be drawn between a jury (or anyone) trying to pass judgment on what Sally and Francine did, being the victims of spousal abuse, and what soldiers who commit “war crimes” do in a combat zone.

IMO, you can only judge people who have experienced severe emotional trauma FAIRLY and ACCURATELY provided you have personally experienced the same emotional trauma.  What’s that old saying (words to that effect)…”not until you’ve walked a mile in my moccasins”. 

Ideally, Sally should have been judged by a panel of jurors who were all the victims of spousal abuse.  As I said, I would probably have killed my father, while he slept, because of my eventual fear and hatred of him when he got drunk and beat me and my mother over many years.  I truly thought at the time because of ignorance, or whatever, that this was the ONLY solution to the problem.  Fortunately, he died of natural causes before I could act on my aberrated thinking.

The analogy of Sally’s homicide to soldiers in a combat zone committing war crimes is that both situations are ones of extreme mental/physical/emotional/psychological trauma where things build, and build up, and, at times, you just SNAP!

As mentioned somewhere else, my father served in WWII in the Pacific Theater in the battles for Guam and Iwo Jima.  My mother said that prior to his service he never drank, or smoked, and was always kind and gentle to both of us.  When he returned from the war, he was a changed man, drank and smoked heavily, and had developed a real short fuse of explosive anger.  He later related to us his intense hatred for the Japanese and the fact that he and his fellow soldiers killed several Japanese prisoners-of-war in cold blood simply because they didn’t want to be bothered with them, or because they simply hated their guts.

I thought these acts on my father’s part “were monstrous” and that he was a true “war criminal” until I, in turn, was drafted and shipped-off to Vietnam, in the mid-sixties…and it was like being dropped off of a “space ship” into another world!!!   

When you see your buddies/fellow-soldiers brutally murdered and their bodies DEFILED; for example, a VC  U.S. soldier POW who was murdered and deliberately “left behind” for your advancing company to find; decapitated and the severed head set on the torso’s chest with the body’s testicles and penis stuck into the decapitated head’s mouth; you develop such an INTENSE HATRED for your enemy that you totally “dehumanize them”, and there becomes no such thing as taking (or keeping) prisoners-of-war! 

Only by God’s grace in that INSANE environment did I personally not commit a “war crime”.  But I often “looked the other way” when they were committed…and they were committed around me all the time! 

All I am saying is that there is NO WAY ANYONE can FAIRLY judge individuals committing war crimes in a combat zone, OR women committing spousal homicide like Sally and Francine did, until they themselves have PERSONALLY experienced the SAME THING(S) in a SIMILAR ENVIRONMENT!!!

Otherwise, you are TRULY off in an ivory tower out-of-touch with reality!!



You are an anomaly, Sir.  A REAL person, with a great life history, including
very severe trauma.  You seem to have taken charge of it.  Did you know that one in four convicts in California are Viet Nam-era vets?  Something to do with the unpopularity of that war, they didn't get a heroes welcome when they came home, Hanoi Jane spat at them, their seratonin levels sank, and they later lashed out against the very nation they fought for.  Anger equals confusion and ignorance.  There had to be a whole lot of anger in Sally's house.  And anger is just one letter away from the word "danger".


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 16, 2007, 04:24:51 PM
ca-ching!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 21, 2007, 06:03:27 PM
.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 23, 2007, 04:40:02 PM
I love that second to last picture, she was just a couple of weeks out from the USA's where she placed fifth


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 23, 2007, 05:17:41 PM
bad to the bone!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 24, 2007, 03:44:35 PM
Where are the pics of her skeet shooting? :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 25, 2007, 01:08:58 PM
she doesn't skeet shoot but she is in her little Rambo outfit in a set of pictures


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on February 25, 2007, 04:13:41 PM
Where are the pics of her skeet shooting? :)

she doesn't get it


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 25, 2007, 06:56:18 PM
she doesn't get it

It's a slow one.

Should have said guy hunting instead, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 27, 2007, 03:08:28 PM
not funny  >:(


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on February 27, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
not funny  >:(

Fibber!

You damn sure giggled, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 27, 2007, 06:40:09 PM
no...there were two actually funny comments made about McNeil...or rather my admiration of her.  I'll repost them word for word, if I can find them, since I made a printout of 'em


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Faust on February 28, 2007, 09:00:42 AM
A much better revenge would have been a divorce and taking half his shi...., sorry. I forgot he was a bodybuilder. :)

Lol.
Half his stash?

It's not a race-case. The fact that he's black is not a factor here imo.
I agree with the doc that Sally shouldn't be glorified. She's a cold-blooded murderer. There are always other options, she was a strong, grown woman. She could have walked out with nobody stopping her, she could have sued him for abuse. Rays actions don't condone hers, and the same goes the other way around.

It appears she was already unstable and then goes looking for the wrong type of men, classic case.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 28, 2007, 03:37:47 PM
I just don't have the caffiene in me to explain what BWS is...but thank you for contributing to my thread...that means all contributions, as long as they are positive, whether for or against her, are welcomed here

I gotta find me some more pictures though, to add to this thread


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 01, 2007, 05:23:01 AM
Lol.
Half his stash?

It's not a race-case. The fact that he's black is not a factor here imo.
I agree with the doc that Sally shouldn't be glorified. She's a cold-blooded murderer. There are always other options, she was a strong, grown woman. She could have walked out with nobody stopping her, she could have sued him for abuse. Rays actions don't condone hers, and the same goes the other way around.

It appears she was already unstable and then goes looking for the wrong type of men, classic case.


Race isn't a factor in his killing but it must play some part in this case's 'public image'.

Imagine my worshipping a black guy who killed some blond chick in the exact same way. How well would that go over? :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 01, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
 

Imagine my worshipping a black guy who killed some blond chick in the exact same way. How well would that go over? :)

If the black guy was OUTWEIGED by close to a hundred pounds of muscle, the abuse-related reason might make sense


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 02, 2007, 12:54:37 PM
I hope no one goes off and kills an asshole spouse, it was hyperbole. In the same vein, you claim to admire her strength so much, post all these wrestling and weight-lifting pics..... but when the rubber meets the road you want to claim shooting him to death and then reloading is a matter of her being the weaker sex.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
you know that he outweighed her by almost a hundred pounds.  If I posted some Ray pictures, you'd see that although she was strong, he was undoubtably MUCH stronger.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 02, 2007, 05:25:18 PM
you know that he outweighed her by almost a hundred pounds.  If I posted some Ray pictures, you'd see that although she was strong, he was undoubtably MUCH stronger.

How much strength would it take to lift a phone and call the police?

Face it. She didn't want to walk away. What she wanted was to retain control over him. Same reason guys kill pretty women: "If I can't have you, nobody will".

You're too enamored/stupid to see the simple truth, she did not have to kill him. I can totally see respecting what she's become after learning the err of her ways but killing an unarmed man doesn't advance women's rights one bit.

He could have found another chick within minutes if she left. That's real. Instead of walking away, she killed him. Traded the rest of her life and time with her kid for what?

I just find it amusing that you would willingly believe such a lopsided story. That's worse than believing OJ is looking for the "real killers" on south Florida golf courses.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2007, 05:35:28 PM
I believe Sally suffered the repeated cycle of BWS, denial, abuse, ammendment and promised reform, then the cycle continued over and over again...have you ever heard of the Framingham Eight?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 02, 2007, 05:40:51 PM
I believe Sally suffered the repeated cycle of BWS, denial, abuse, ammendment and promised reform, then the cycle continued over and over again...have you ever heard of the Framingham Eight?

I've heard of 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit before. The girl re-loaded the fn weapon!

There's no place we could celebrate a man doing the same thing to a woman. Even if she was a fat cow that outweighed him by 200lbs people would say "just run away, it's not lke she could follow!"


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2007, 06:22:18 PM
you have to remember she was repeatedly abused, and then in denial about the abuse.  She feared Ray as an omnipotent danger.  Hence, the second shot.  Again, I remind you to do your homework, look up the Framingham Eight.  ::)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 02, 2007, 07:14:39 PM
you have to remember she was repeatedly abused, and then in denial about the abuse.  She feared Ray as an omnipotent danger.  Hence, the second shot.  Again, I remind you to do your homework, look up the Framingham Eight.  ::)

Look up doorknobs. Their house probably had one. :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2007, 07:24:53 PM
Ya know, I have teh buttons.  I was thinking of splitting this thread.  One remains as the Pictures Only Section, and the other one becomes discussions, debates, and comments.  That way, you can comment whatever way your heart sways you, and I still have my intact pictures only thread.

any objections?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 02, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
I guess editing would be better than an intelligent response.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2007, 08:34:49 PM
still working on it


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: powerpack on March 02, 2007, 10:35:22 PM
Hi Medford
I actually followed the whole Sally and Ray story when it happened and I have kept and eye on your thread.....
I was always impressed with Sally s strenght at the competitions they used to have for woman and I liked her as she came across alot.
But Sally and Ray where a violent couple full stop, BOTH of them.
And if a woman is strong enough to body slam a cop trying to arrest her, through a weight set out of a flat window and be so violent with her first Hubie that he had to get a restraining order against her, I am sorry she is no little china doll.
I have also been in a violent relationship, where I was stabbed with scissors, had mace sprayed in my face, had a hot water from a kettle thrown at me and was punched I don't know how many times by my girl friend of the time.
The weird thing was the 2 times I responded( I once punched her back and another time chocked her)I was treated as a piece of crap and she was this poor innocent little angel.
Oh Please!
Why did I stay with her, well I really did love her and she was truly remorsefull after every attack............the sex was also the best i have had ever :)

But there must be one set of rules for every one!
What you are doing know must apply to every one, man or woman, so if a guy does something to a nagging, emotional abusive, fishmonger wife then I better see every one trying to get him off as well.
Fair is fair.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on March 02, 2007, 11:11:08 PM
this person powerpack knows


Meddy....you're on a losing battle with this one


Like I said...Ray was no angel...but Sally was the one with the abusive criminal record.


People that knew her....knew she was the one that was going to go "extreme"


In some cases...Ray was a dumbshit sticking with her...but he was getting bling. 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 03, 2007, 09:20:54 AM
this person powerpack knows


Meddy....you're on a losing battle with this one


Like I said...Ray was no angel...but Sally was the one with the abusive criminal record.


People that knew her....knew she was the one that was going to go "extreme"


In some cases...Ray was a dumbshit sticking with her...but he was getting bling. 

Imagine a bodybuilder from that era getting an actual job, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2007, 09:58:41 AM
 


In some cases...Ray was a dumbshit sticking with her...but he was getting bling. 

Why didn't he leave if he could do better?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 03, 2007, 10:01:40 AM

Why didn't he leave if he could do better?

He did leave, in a fashion.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: knny187 on March 03, 2007, 10:47:42 AM

Why didn't he leave if he could do better?

Well, he was soaking up on Sally.  She was bringing in more money than Ray at the times.  They both were using each other (usually called a relationship where you share one another) but I look at them more as using one another.

Sally could have left...but she was very complusive.  Ray had others....so he really didn't care one way or another as long as he could get money from somebody.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2007, 03:25:02 PM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2007, 03:26:37 PM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2007, 03:49:34 PM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: drkaje on March 04, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
Finding saps was his job, LOL!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 04, 2007, 04:03:32 PM
I'd post pictures of him but they are nudes, so I don't think they are appropriate here in this forum


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 13, 2007, 05:49:41 PM
but I can provide a linky-link...any takers?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 03, 2007, 03:19:32 PM
 :)
The girl re-loaded the fn weapon!

 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
prison picture


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 06:28:36 PM
for Sally:


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 06:32:07 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 06:37:19 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 06:44:08 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 06, 2007, 07:17:11 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 11, 2007, 09:11:40 AM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 20, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
pictures only please


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on May 03, 2007, 08:04:54 AM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on May 11, 2007, 05:02:03 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on May 11, 2007, 05:03:28 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on May 11, 2007, 05:04:44 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on May 24, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
I have this Joan Wise video


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on June 27, 2007, 06:42:45 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on June 27, 2007, 06:43:12 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on June 27, 2007, 06:45:09 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on June 27, 2007, 06:46:42 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on June 27, 2007, 06:47:30 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on August 27, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
Sally McNeil...sigh.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on September 06, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
schmoe heavan


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on September 27, 2007, 05:41:24 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on October 08, 2007, 09:11:07 PM
schmoe heavan
More like Medford's heaven.  :D

hmmmm....do you think?-Medford


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on October 19, 2007, 11:22:37 AM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Luv2Hurt on November 27, 2007, 06:08:15 AM
Hey Medford, this may have been asked before and I'm not being sarcastic or anything.  What is it that you personally find appealing or attractive about S.M.?  What about her has you digging her?

I'm not saying you should not, just wondering what it is?


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 04, 2007, 05:31:50 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on December 04, 2007, 05:47:04 PM
;)
That's not an answer, *****.  >:(


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 05, 2007, 08:55:58 AM
No of course it's not.  Didn't I send some questions down to the X board, but then ANSWERED them?

ps.  keep it clean up here

pss.  I think I've answered this question a lot of times over the years.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Luv2Hurt on December 05, 2007, 03:09:54 PM
Im guessing you see a little bit of sally in medford.  :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on December 06, 2007, 11:53:08 PM
No of course it's not.  Didn't I send some questions down to the X board, but then ANSWERED them?

ps.  keep it clean up here

pss.  I think I've answered this question a lot of times over the years.
We don't venture down to the X board, sweet cheeks.  ;)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 07, 2007, 08:56:19 AM
you know I was watching a piece of the Donna Yaklich or whatever it was has her steriod abusing husband killed (he was a cop)

wondering why Sally didn't just spike Ray's test shots with boric acid, concentrated unscented pinesol liquid, Raid, or whatever.  That's what I would have done


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: powerpack on December 07, 2007, 11:29:24 AM
Why did she not just leave him  ???
I remember you asked the same question about Ray once.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 07, 2007, 04:04:29 PM
honestly, honestly, they should have left...and gone far far away.

Leaving isn't as easy as it sounds, but it can be done


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Luv2Hurt on December 07, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
Sally was co-dependent


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 10, 2007, 03:20:22 PM
it's more than that.  She was used to an abusive relationship.  I have asked her about her past, but I can't share that here.  I kind of have it figured out, from my work with psych and battered women in the past, both personally and professionally.

It's low self esteem along with the belief at least subcontiously that you somehow deserve to be abused.  The Ramsey strangling scared Sally, she started to fear for her life after that incident.

I believe that Ray was either actively or latently homosexual, too, and resented women, especially depending on one financially.  Two damaged people, two destroyed lives.  It's a tragety


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: kittom on December 10, 2007, 05:48:18 PM
WTF.... what is the value of bring in information as this regarding two people who neither are in control of this e-mail traffic or have the ability to respond back to counter "opinion" or partial factual information..
if you were reading this about you and your "lover" what would you think or how wpould you react?
WTF...


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Luv2Hurt on December 11, 2007, 06:17:52 AM
it's more than that.  She was used to an abusive relationship.  I have asked her about her past, but I can't share that here.  I kind of have it figured out, from my work with psych and battered women in the past, both personally and professionally.

It's low self esteem along with the belief at least subcontiously that you somehow deserve to be abused.  The Ramsey strangling scared Sally, she started to fear for her life after that incident.

I believe that Ray was either actively or latently homosexual, too, and resented women, especially depending on one financially.  Two damaged people, two destroyed lives.  It's a tragety

Well I agree thats what co-dependence is.  They are used to an abusive relationship and feel thats what they deserve because of the low self esteem.  This also keeps them trapped.  Its all very complicated. Im sure Ray was an a-hole and deserved what he got.  Classic story that is played out everyday all over the world.

WTF.... what is the value of bring in information as this regarding two people who neither are in control of this e-mail traffic or have the ability to respond back to counter "opinion" or partial factual information..
if you were reading this about you and your "lover" what would you think or how wpould you react?
WTF...

This is a very public story for over 10 years....where have you been??


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: powerpack on December 11, 2007, 08:28:03 AM
Im sure Ray was an a-hole and deserved what he got.  Classic story that is played out everyday all over the world.
Maybe but Sally was a very violent person as well!
She had restraining orders against her from her previous husband, she attacked a baby sitter amongst others, She threw a weight set out of a flat window, she body slammed a cop trying to arrest her etc etc.
She was no shrinking violet by any means, she was violent and bad tempered.
The bottom line is she was in a MUTUALY violent relationship with Ray, and she blew him away.
The abuse excuse does not fly with me when it comes to her sorry.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 11, 2007, 08:43:26 AM
yes Sally had learned to respond to violence with violence, and she did have incidents with others.  However, 160 lb sally was no match for 260 lb Ray when it came down to being choked.

WTF.... what is the value of bring in information as this regarding two people who neither are in control of this e-mail traffic or have the ability to respond back to counter "opinion" or partial factual information..
if you were reading this about you and your "lover" what would you think or how wpould you react?
WTF...

Sally has the ability to counter opinion.  I thought everybody on this board knew I am in constant contact with her.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ripitupbaby on December 11, 2007, 09:14:40 AM
This thread is the second most viewed thread on the FBB Board!   :D



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: kittom on December 11, 2007, 07:02:47 PM
Two things ..if this is a ten year old story, and it is still going ..then sally needed help to walk away, or have some of her buddies kick Rays ass... 160vs 260 guess forced sex was not in this relationship either..as in rape out of anger and complete disrespect?
It is a tragedy.. I hope Sally has foud her a new space and place... ray needs an ass kicken..


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: powerpack on December 12, 2007, 09:52:29 AM
Two things ..if this is a ten year old story, and it is still going ..then sally needed help to walk away, or have some of her buddies kick Rays ass... 160vs 260 guess forced sex was not in this relationship either..as in rape out of anger and complete disrespect?
It is a tragedy.. I hope Sally has foud her a new space and place... ray needs an ass kicken..
She murdered her husband 10 years ago.
She shot him in the face with a shot gun reloaded and shot him again.
She was found guilty of murder 2 and is in prison for it.
Meddy is busy with a 1 woman crusade to free her.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 13, 2007, 08:27:58 AM
I'm not on the crusade to free her.  That's her attorney's job.



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: kittom on December 19, 2007, 06:14:08 AM
Powerpack:
Thanks for the reply...nope I didn't realize she was in for murder.... Shitty being her then at this point in life... but for some folks, there is a limit to every thing and for some when they are pushed beyond "reasonable" control... crap happens and generally not for the best...someone will get hurt and well... case in  point....
Thanks



Re: Sally McNeil
« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2007, 08:52:29 AM » Quote 

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Quote from: kittom on December 11, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Two things ..if this is a ten year old story, and it is still going ..then sally needed help to walk away, or have some of her buddies kick Rays ass... 160vs 260 guess forced sex was not in this relationship either..as in rape out of anger and complete disrespect?
It is a tragedy.. I hope Sally has foud her a new space and place... ray needs an ass kicken..

She murdered her husband 10 years ago.
She shot him in the face with a shot gun reloaded and shot him again.
She was found guilty of murder 2 and is in prison for it.
Meddy is busy with a 1 woman crusade to free her.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on December 20, 2007, 01:07:21 PM
Well, i try to make her life a little more enjoyable.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 02, 2008, 07:25:08 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: freespirit on January 03, 2008, 02:54:06 AM
:)


She's about to break that little dude's spine, isn't she, medford?   :D


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 03, 2008, 07:33:09 AM
in the above picture?  that's ray mcneil


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 09, 2008, 06:06:31 PM
I sent her this picture, she liked it


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 16, 2008, 06:13:14 PM
this is still my all time favorite picture. 


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Faust on January 21, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
post erased by Medford


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ripitupbaby on January 26, 2008, 07:50:27 PM
should I flush that last post...it doesn't add to the tribute at all...

It's your tribute thread...do whatever would Sally would want you to do.   :)



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: freespirit on January 27, 2008, 03:46:34 AM
It's your tribute thread...do whatever would Sally would want you to do.   :)



Sally would wipe that post out of the web and flex her muscles.  :D


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Faust on January 27, 2008, 04:45:29 AM
Sally would wipe that post out of the web and shoot Paul Simon in the face.  :)
Tough choice Medford. Freedom of speech or strict order...

Medford says:


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on January 27, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
It's your tribute thread...do whatever would Sally would want you to do.   :)




Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 20, 2008, 07:47:38 PM
 
Sally would wipe that post out of the web and flex her muscles.  :D

agreed.  Sally is teh coolest.  Nuff said.  Peace out.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 22, 2008, 06:18:52 PM
I have to resurrect this thread.  I'm shipping all Non-worshiping comments in my tribute thread here


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ripitupbaby on February 22, 2008, 08:14:56 PM
I kinda miss drkaje. 



Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: powerpack on February 23, 2008, 03:52:02 AM
I kinda miss drkaje. 


Me to he has been missing more than 3 months.
I even mailed him but no response  :(


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 23, 2008, 07:11:27 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 23, 2008, 07:17:01 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 23, 2008, 07:21:21 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on February 25, 2008, 07:50:21 AM
the legs of a Roman Gladiator, ready to do battle


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 03, 2008, 08:25:04 PM
you know who I miss?  AE


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: ripitupbaby on March 04, 2008, 07:19:37 AM
you know who I miss?  AE



Who is AE?  ???


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 05, 2008, 07:19:42 PM
avenging eagle, set me up with my first avatar


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on March 20, 2008, 09:22:36 AM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on April 07, 2008, 11:07:59 PM
This thread is the second most viewed thread on the FBB Board!   :D



I'm not worthy   ::)


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on October 02, 2008, 06:08:12 PM
 :)

she lost to Tigra in wrestling, but beat her in boxing


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on November 02, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
bump for me I just loaded some of these pictures in my i-pod


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Benny B on November 02, 2011, 02:36:49 PM
bump for me I just loaded some of these pictures in my i-pod

Gettin' some portable masturbation pics on the iPod for those horny, spontaneous rub-one-out moments, eh Meddie? 
Just don't be doing that shit in the women's locker room at the gym. That's nasty.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Deadpool on November 02, 2011, 02:47:34 PM
how about in the shower?  a workout with a "happy ending"?

ps I know i-pod isn't waterproof.


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 03, 2014, 03:40:02 AM
the legs of a Roman Gladiator, ready to do battle

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107432.0;attach=236063;image)

Great picture


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: herne on January 03, 2014, 05:05:08 AM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: herne on January 03, 2014, 05:06:29 AM
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Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: wild willie on January 13, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
this is still my all time favorite picture. 
TERRIFIC ARSE!!


Title: Re: Sally McNeil
Post by: aomw on July 07, 2017, 03:56:08 PM
:)

she lost to Tigra in wrestling, but beat her in boxing.
Thanks (re:194). Only knew that Sally & Tigra wreslted. I lost the video mof the original match with Sally in very good strong condition. I did see her box v. Christine Dupree twice. She never faced Christine Marshall who was the only other FBB that could have matched up w/her on the mat, although I did see that Sally wrestled Gabrielle Hammes (who Christine defeated convincingly)