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Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player. I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir.
Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets
AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?
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this team reminds me of the SB team that beat the Rams. not in talent but in being under-rated. i hope Collins can get a ring though.
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Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...
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Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player. I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir.
Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets
AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?
who's the rookie qb?
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Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...
No he's not. Cassel is doing amazing considering he is only starting his 9th NFL game. According to the stats he is on par with players like Trent Edwards and Matt Ryan. The only rookie qb who has better numbers than Cassel is Ryan, and they are only slightly better in a putrid devision.
13 Matt Ryan ATL QB 149 250 59.6 27.8 1,909 7.6 212.1 11 5 88 35.2 70T 25 6 12 89.9
14 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 147 258 57.0 28.7 1,853 7.2 205.9 10 9 86 33.3 65T 24 4 13 77.9
15 Trent Edwards BUF QB 164 245 66.9 27.2 1,845 7.5 205.0 7 7 88 35.9 49 25 3 20 86.9
16 Matt Cassel NE QB 179 267 67.0 29.7 1,800 6.7 200.0 7 7 89 33.3 66T 16 2 29 83.9
Cassels numbers vs a very good Bills team:
23 34 67.6 234 6.9 0 0 1 8 87.1 9 22 2.4 1
You're incorrect.
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who's the rookie qb?
Matt Cassel. He's less than a rookie, he didn't even play a down of football in college ( stuck behind Palmer and Leirnart).
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Matt Cassel. He's less than a rookie, he didn't even play a down of football in college ( stuck behind Palmer and Leirnart).
Yeah, but he's played in 3 years worth of preseason games and has been a clipholder for Tom Brady, plus all the game films he's had to watch... so he should pretty much know the offense inside and out. Very little learning he has to do unlike many "rookies".
I know he has very little game experience but he has done pretty much enough to call him a veteran at this point of his career. So to compare him to what Edwards and Matt Ryan (who is light years ahead of him on the talent scale) have done is ludicrous.
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Yeah, but he's played in 3 years worth of preseason games and has been a clipholder for Tom Brady, plus all the game films he's had to watch... so he should pretty much know the offense inside and out. Very little learning he has to do unlike many "rookies".
I know he has very little game experience but he has done pretty much enough to call him a veteran at this point of his career. So to compare him to what Edwards and Matt Ryan (who is light years ahead of him on the talent scale) have done is ludicrous.
Actually, the pats where criticized for not putting Cassel into games more last year. If you look at the amount of game time cassel has over his stay with the pats, it is actually a very small number. While rookie Qb's where playing in college Cassel was not. He did not play a single down in college. It all evens out my friend.
Game experience is everything in football, and while Cassel twas riding the pine at USC Edwards and Ryan where playing. Numbers are numbers, and according to the numbers Cassel is on par with the guys you say he is not. Cassel outplayed Edwards by a lot Sunday, btw.
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OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.
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OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.
Thats what they said about Brady.....and no I don't think the Pats can beat the Giants, so your right its a moot point.
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Cassel is okay. It's just almost impossible to live up to Tom Brady's status so I give him a pass.
I'm a Dolphins fan btw.
I do not hate the Jets, just their fans. They have to be the most annoying fans in the world.
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cassel looks good, it's funny how things work out with him playing and now leinart is on the bench
it's almost like when drew henson played over brady at michigan, then had nfl careers that were quite different lol
as for the pats, i think they make the playoffs but there is no way they win the super bowl
brady is the mvp of the league and they haven't won one with him since the 04 season, it isn't happening without him
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Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player. I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir.
Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets
AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?
this is the team to watch in the afc east...
buffalo you can stick a fork in- lost 4 of their last 5 and 3 in a row after their bye week. even the run they had before the bye was suspect coming from behind in the 4th quarter to squeak out wins. i think reality has finally set in in buffalo.
the jets. what can you say about the jets. are they good- maybe. does farve make them better- absolutely, despite still being very much a gun slinger. at the start of the year after picking up fanica and favre i had originally thought they'd go 10-6.
new england i wrote off after week one. seems they have been winning quietly, and gaining momentum and confidence week to week, which i don't see in the jets. it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow nite after signing law. this is a big divisional game for both teams, possibly the most important game of the year for both. with thomas being out for the season, it further damages NE's chances of retaining sole position at the top of the AFC east. bellicheck and his plug- in system is near flawless but AT is two players in one, and you can only plug one in.
miami. they are playing the hot hand now. every week they look better and better and are believing they not only can be competitive but take over top spot in the east. the hot hand is very much underestimated in football. the giants last year got hot at the right time and won the superbowl. were they the best team- defensively i'd say yas, overall not. but they got hot at the right time. this is what i see miami doing. if the jets beat new england thursday and drop NE to 6-4, a loss to divisonal rivals miami next week and a loss to pittsburgh the week after with a healthy randle el, miami can be in sole possession of second in the east and possibly first by week 13 (oak, ne, and then st louis) if the jets drop a game to tennessee next week.
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OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.
Matt Cassels numbers vs a good jets team
400+ yards passing 70+ yards rushing 3td's o int's and over 100% cp. He outplayed Edwards last week, and this week is was Farve. Cassel is going to be a good starter on an NFL team....might even be upper tear.
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Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...
400 yards and he's a bum lol you don't understand the game. He has more to learn but he's well on his way.
OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.
You're as mired in trivia as you are silly to be making predictions this early given that he and the team around him are still improving.
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400 yards and he's a bum lol you don't understand the game. He has more to learn but he's well on his way.
You're as mired in trivia as you are silly to be making predictions this early given that he and the team around him are still improving.
Yeah I might be making early predictions...but that doesn't mean I'm going to be wrong. If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.
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If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.
You're the one making that assessment easy-reader, i never mentioned anything like what you just wrote lol. I said he's a better QB than you're giving him credit for and now in your extremist black and white world that means superbowl haha.
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Anything can happen in the NFL. All of these players have the talent to compete on the highest level. Comes with the territory for making a 45 man NFL roster.
Any team with a winning record can get hot at this point in the season and make a run.
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Yeah I might be making early predictions...but that doesn't mean I'm going to be wrong. If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.
He never said they were. He said that Cassel was not a bum (which clearly he is not). Again, he had over 400 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, 3td's and no ints last night. Thats after coming of a vey good game vs the Bills. Both the Jets and the Bills are very good teams. Cassel is well on his way to being a very good NFL qb, and each week he is getting better and better. The pats are not a sb team because of their injuries, Matt Cassel is not the one that caused them to lose last night. James Sanders blowing coverage while the jets were in 3rd and 15 was. Cassel is only playing his 10th NFL game.
Look at the improvement in Cassels numbers:
Statistics
By Player Category
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
10 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 182 288 63.2 32.0 2,124 7.4 236.0 13 5 92 31.9 62 25 9 21 93.3
11 David Garrard JAC QB 188 288 65.3 32.0 2,009 7.0 223.2 8 5 109 37.8 35 21 0 22 87.6
12 Jason Campbell WAS QB 176 273 64.5 30.3 1,960 7.2 217.8 8 2 95 34.8 67T 22 3 23 92.4
13 Eli Manning NYG QB 170 281 60.5 31.2 1,926 6.9 214.0 14 6 97 34.5 41 22 1 11 88.8
14 Matt Ryan ATL QB 149 250 59.6 27.8 1,909 7.6 212.1 11 5 88 35.2 70T 25 6 12 89.9
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You're the one making that assessment easy-reader, i never mentioned anything like what you just wrote lol. I said he's a better QB than you're giving him credit for and now in your extremist black and white world that means superbowl haha.
I said he was first round fodder jackass. Why you dissing me?? Are you and Matt Cassel having a love affair?
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I said he was first round fodder jackass. Why you dissing me?? Are you and Matt Cassel having a love affair?
Last game was 60 percent completion, 400 yards, no pics, 3TDs you idiot. All while he's still learning. ::)
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Last game was 60 percent completion, 400 yards, no pics, 3TDs you idiot. All while he's still learning. ::)
Not to mention rushing for 60 yards, after coming off a week in which he out outplayed Trent Edwards. How many 6'4 qb's do you know that can rush for 60 yards and pass for 400 yards.....not many.
This guy cracks me up, and it's pretty clear he does not know much about football. Lets look at the facts:
According to the stats, Matt Cassel is the 8th best qb in football after 10 games.
Cassel has improved every week, and played his best games vs his toughest opponents.
Cassel passed for 400 yards, rushed for 60 yards, threw 3td's and no int's; brought his team back from a large point deficit, and made one of the toughest throws I have ever seen to tie the game vs the jets with one second left.
Cassel has led a patriots team with a RASH of injuries to a 6-4 record.
Cassel has no wear and tear on his body because he never played a down in college.
Cassel is 6'4. 240 lbs and is very mobile.
Cassel learned from one of the greatest qb's to play the game.
Right, no one is going to take a look at this kid to build a franchise around ::), he's a bum, and they would be far better offer burning a high draft pick on an unproven rookie ::) It will be funny to see this guy be 100% wrong at the end of the season. I don't mind if someone does not like a player, but back it up with some stats or facts. If you can't, it's nothing more than a full serving of hateraid talking. I don't like Manning, but I would never say he was a bad qb, or that he was a bum, because the stats and the facts say otherwise.
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lol.
this is a joke.
your use of statistics to support your argument is fallible at best.
statistically, your man-crush has better numbers than tom brady and carson palmer.
is he a better quarterback?
try not to let the love of your favourite team make you look foolish and not know what you are talking about.
oops, too late.
;)
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Exactly, ignore the stats and the facts. No one said Cassel was better than Brady or Palmer, we said that Cassel was not a bum, and that the stats back that up. You got owned junior, now go back to the kids boards, because you can't argue like an adult.
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Exactly, ignore the stats and the facts. No one said Cassel was better than Brady or Palmer, we said that Cassel was not a bum, and that the stats back that up. You got owned junior, now go back to the kids boards, because you can't argue like an adult.
you use stats to support your argument, so why do they not apply in this instance?
your stats 'say' cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, according to you.
so, the same logic must apply that because his stats are better than brady's or palmers, he's the better qb.
the only person getting owned is you sweetheart, as NOBODY who knows anything about football would say cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, and when NE fails to make the playoffs, or gets bounced out in the first round, the joke will be on you.
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i guess this is what you get for debating football on a bb forum.
please 'body 88' go to a football forum and post your whole 'i'm in love with matt cassel's and he's the 8th best qb in the NFL' tirade so not just myself, but 100'000's of people who actually know that game can mock you in unison, because that is EXACTLY what would happen.
but no, your right and everyone else is wrong.
::)
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you use stats to support your argument, so why do they not apply in this instance?
your stats 'say' cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, according to you.
so, the same logic must apply that because his stats are better than brady's or palmers, he's the better qb.
the only person getting owned is you sweetheart, as NOBODY who knows anything about football would say cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, and when NE fails to make the playoffs, or gets bounced out in the first round, the joke will be on you.
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i guess this is what you get for debating football on a bb forum.
please 'body 88' go to a football forum and post your whole 'i'm in love with matt cassel's and he's the 8th best qb in the NFL' tirade so not just myself, but 100'000's of people who actually know that game can mock you in unison, because that is EXACTLY what would happen.
but no, your right and everyone else is wrong.
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Bro I never said Cassel was the 8th best qb in the NFL - NFL.COM says that Cassel is the 8th best qb in the NFL, and I am simply reiterating that fact. My point was to show you with logic and evidence that Cassel is not a bum. I guess you can't comprehend that. If the pats don't make the playoffs, it wont be because of a guy who just threw for 400 yards and rushed for 60. Infact, Cassel was the one who made the throw with one second left to tie the games last week. You seem obsessed with the pats, and them not making the playoffs. Bitter much? Also, why do you keep bringing Brady and Palmer into this, they are both on ir. Not only do you know pretty much nothing about football; you're totally irrational and spastic. You really are a clueless buffoon. It will be funny to see Cassel get an Aaron Rogers type deal next year, and have a franchise built around him.
Statistic's
By Player Category
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
10 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 182 288 63.2 32.0 2,124 7.4 236.0 13 5 92 31.9 62 25 9 21 93.3
11 David Garrard JAC QB 188 288 65.3 32.0 2,009 7.0 223.2 8 5 109 37.8 35 21 0 22 87.6
12 Jason Campbell WAS QB 176 273 64.5 30.3 1,960 7.2 217.8 8 2 95 34.8 67T 22 3 23 92.4
13 Eli Manning NYG QB 170 281 60.5 31.2 1,926 6.9 214.0 14 6 97 34.5 41 22 1 11 88.8
14 Matt Ryan ATL QB 149 250 59.6 27.8 1,909 7.6 212.1 11 5 88 35.2 70T 25 6 12 89.9
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I haven't really posted this year on the Pats but here goes. Cassel has performed well above expectations. The staff has brough him along slowly and he's grasped everything that's been thrown at him. He is not making mistakes, learned to get the ball out faster, and has taken less sacks. U can't expect that 08 Pats would look like the 07 Pats. Cassel is look at the biggest QB free agent contract out of a fairly large group of QB's. The Pats won't be able to resign him anyway. He's made the season fun again for Pats fans. I fully expect that he'll be running with whole offensive playbbok soon. If they can get all their backs health, the offensive will be pretty dangerous and hopefully competitive going in the playoffs. The defensive has some holes but younger guys have stepped up.
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Is Thomas out for the year or is it week to week?
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Is Thomas out for the year or is it week to week?
Until he is on ir don't count him out.
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They annouched Wheatley today.
Rookie CB Terrence Wheatley has been placed on season-ending injured reserve with a wrist injury. Wheatley hurt the wrist Nov. 2 against Indianapolis and had not played since
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No one, your thoughts on Matt Cassel?
Today he passed for over 400 yards, threw for three scores and rushed for a td. Last week he threw for over 400 yards and rushed for 60. I don't know of another QB who has done that over two games, ever. Further more, over the last eight quarters Cassel has gone 60/94, 63.8 comp%, 815 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT (the int coming from a caught ball that was knocked out of Moss's hands). During the hardest part of the pats schedule this year, Cassel has passed for over 1000 yards, rushed for over 200 yards and thrown 9 td's. Thats after he brought the pats back from a 3 score deficit to tie it with one second left three weeks back vs the Jets.
WHAT A BUM ::) The only person who would be laughed at on a legit football forum for calling Cassel anything but a steller QB is you. Hopefully you don't spend to much time evaluating NFL talent on your football forums, haha. The pats might not make the playoffs due to the steller play of the Jets, and a rash of injuries, but Matt Cassel is certainly the best young QB in the NFL right now. Who's better? Flacco? Matty R? Quinn? NOPE. Matt Cassel = millions with a new team next year.
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The dude's impressive. Maybe the Pats should consider cutting ol' Tom!
it would be interesting to see what they would do if they were forced to make a decision.
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No one, your thoughts on Matt Cassel?
Today he passed for over 400 yards, threw for three scores and rushed for a td. Last week he threw for over 400 yards and rushed for 60. I don't know of another QB who has done that over two games, ever. Further more, over the last eight quarters Cassel has gone 60/94, 63.8 comp%, 815 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT (the int coming from a caught ball that was knocked out of Moss's hands). During the hardest part of the pats schedule this year, Cassel has passed for over 1000 yards, rushed for over 200 yards and thrown 9 td's. Thats after he brought the pats back from a 3 score deficit to tie it with one second left three weeks back vs the Jets.
WHAT A BUM ::) The only person who would be laughed at on a legit football forum for calling Cassel anything but a steller QB is you. Hopefully you don't spend to much time evaluating NFL talent on your football forums, haha. The pats might not make the playoffs due to the steller play of the Jets, and a rash of injuries, but Matt Cassel is certainly the best young QB in the NFL right now. Who's better? Flacco? Matty R? Quinn? NOPE. Matt Cassel = millions with a new team next year.
ahahahaha...
ok.
whatever you say 'body88'.
he's the next troy aikman- no- joe montana for sure.
why christ, he's the best quarterback in the NFL today.
yes, i'm sure when NE doesn't make the playoffs cassel's phone is going to be ringing off the hook. i even heard a rumour that favre is going to be his backup in new york next year.
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he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.
sorry to disappoint you.
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ahahahaha...
ok.
whatever you say 'body88'.
he's the next troy aikman- no- joe montana for sure.
why christ, he's the best quarterback in the NFL today.
yes, i'm sure when NE doesn't make the playoffs cassel's phone is going to be ringing off the hook. i even heard a rumour that favre is going to be his backup in new york next year.
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he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.
sorry to disappoint you.
You have no idea what you are talking about. All crap and no facts! You got owned junior, it's that simple. Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player. Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands. Did you even watch him play over the last four weeks? You bias and refusal to accept the stats are laughable. Lets look at where Cassel ranks in the NFL currently after 11 games:
1 Kurt Warner ARI QB 302 433 69.7 39.4 3,506 8.1 318.7 21 8 174 40.2 79T 35 8 19 102.4
2 Drew Brees NO QB 266 398 66.8 39.8 3,251 8.2 325.1 18 11 142 35.7 84T 43 13 8 95.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 246 406 60.6 36.9 3,036 7.5 276.0 19 12 143 35.2 93T 39 6 7 87.0
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 266 424 62.7 38.5 2,823 6.7 256.6 19 10 146 34.4 75 28 4 12 87.2
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 215 327 65.7 29.7 2,806 8.6 255.1 23 10 133 40.7 67 38 9 16 103.3
6 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 235 400 58.8 36.4 2,770 6.9 251.8 14 10 128 32.0 90T 36 8 17 81.1
7 Chad Pennington MIA QB 225 341 66.0 31.0 2,715 8.0 246.8 11 6 133 39.0 80T 31 6 20 93.7
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 238 359 66.3 32.6 2,615 7.3 237.7 13 8 125 34.8 66T 24 4 34 90.5
9 Brett Favre NYJ QB 245 347 70.6 31.5 2,461 7.1 223.7 20 13 131 37.8 56T 25 7 21 94.1
9 David Garrard JAC QB 228 363 62.8 33.0 2,461 6.8 223.7 9 8 129 35.5 35 26 0 30 81.8
11 Matt Ryan ATL QB 186 310 60.0 28.2 2,418 7.8 219.8 11 6 111 35.8 70T 30 7 13 88.3
Not only did you ignore all the stats I posted in my original post, you still can't answer me using football speak and statistical evidence to back up your claims. You're wrong, plain and simple. Cassel will make millions next year, and you will be owned again, haha.
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it would be interesting to see what they would do if they were forced to make a decision.
They will be forced to make a decision. The only thing they can do is sign and trade him.
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They will be forced to make a decision. The only thing they can do is sign and trade him.
who would you rather have?
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They're keeping Brady UNLESS he has major issues with playing next season (unlikely).
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hahaha..you fags...Matt Cassell is ripping up the leauge right now..All yall counted out the USC boy but he aint doin nothing but giving you back to back 400yrd games...
P.S. He is a free Agent next year...He will get PAID
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who would you rather have?
Brady (unless he is hurt), but as we all saw with Phillip Rivers, basic acl's are not a big deal anymore. Rivers is having a pro bowl year, and his injury was more severe than Bradys.
In a perfect world you franchise Cassel, work out a deal in which you include that franchise tag in a singing bonus. and you get a first rounder for him.
The pats have Kevin O'Connel whom the drafted in the third round out of SDS. He is bigger than Cassel but just as athletic. Considering that the pats have a knack for drafting qb's I'm not to worried.
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hahaha..you fags...Matt Cassell is ripping up the leauge right now..All yall counted out the USC boy but he aint doin nothing but giving you back to back 400yrd games...
P.S. He is a free Agent next year...He will get PAID
I know right. Cassel throws for over 1000 yards nine td's and one int over the last three games and no one says he is a bum. Thats even after showing him stats that say Cassel is the eighth best qb inthe NFL.
Did I mention Cassel did this vs the AFC east, which is the second best group of teams in the NFL.
Oh brother, these guys, haha.
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Brady (unless he is hurt), but as we all saw with Phillip Rivers, basic acl's are not a big deal anymore. Rivers is having a pro bowl year, and his injury was more severe than Bradys.
In a perfect world you franchise Cassel, work out a deal in which you include that franchise tag in a singing bonus. and you get a first rounder for him.
The pats have Kevin O'Connel whom the drafted in the third round out of SDS. He is bigger than Cassel but just as athletic. Considering that the pats have a knack for drafting qb's I'm not to worried.
So you would take brady now and let cassel go? considering all factors. i know this question is very basic and its intended to be that way. imo i would let brady go infavor of cassel, for future sake. this kid in this system from what ive seen so far can be deadly. more upside than brady and more physical skills. you just dont get a young qb with such low mileage that performs like that so soon very often if ever.
Matts been very impressive considering the team he is on was one of the worst in the league.
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So you would take Brady now and let cassel go? considering all factors. i know this question is very basic and its intended to be that way. imo i would let brady go infavor of cassel, for future sake. this kid in this system from what ive seen so far can be deadly. more upside than brady and more physical skills. you just dont get a young qb with such low mileage that performs like that so soon very often if ever.
Matts been very impressive considering the team he is on was one of the worst in the league.
Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever play the game...the best QB in the NFL, you just don't make that move. The pats know what they are doing, and they held on to Cassel when every mediot said to cut him. Tehy swapped Bledsor for Brady (which was very risky)...I trust the hoodie : ) They should try to sign and trade Cassel. Did you just say that pats where one of the worst teams in the league? Thats just crazy talk. They are 7-4 with a rash of injuries, and a rookie QB. The AFC east is also close to the toughest devision in football. Thats insanity.
Total offense - Pats are ranked 7th in the NFL.
Total Defense - They are ranked 12th.
Considering all the injuries that is very impressive. The pats were never even close to the worst team in the NFL; it wont ever happen with Belichick as a coach. To be ranked the 12th best d in the NFL with all the injuries and with all the rookies starting is pretty impressive. The pats D is being rebuilt while they stay competitive. Mayo, Wilhite, Wheatley, Crable and Guyton were or are all starting rookies.
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Did you just say that pats where one of the worst teams in the league? Thats just crazy talk.
no, i meant Matt Ryan in that statement and the team the falcons had last year was one of the worst, sorry. yeah i heard the Pats had a pretty good season last year. :P
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no, i meant Matt Ryan in that statement and the team the falcons had last year was one of the worst, sorry. yeah i heard the Pats had a pretty good season last year. :P
I agree that Ryan is doing a great job. But with Turner and the potent offensive weapons, this ain't last years Falcons. I had a good friend who was a Senior on the eagles when Ryan was being recruited, the kid was always destined for greatness.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. All crap and no facts! You got owned junior, it's that simple. Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player. Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands. Did you even watch him play over the last four weeks? You bias and refusal to accept the stats are laughable. Lets look at where Cassel ranks in the NFL currently after 11 games:
1 Kurt Warner ARI QB 302 433 69.7 39.4 3,506 8.1 318.7 21 8 174 40.2 79T 35 8 19 102.4
2 Drew Brees NO QB 266 398 66.8 39.8 3,251 8.2 325.1 18 11 142 35.7 84T 43 13 8 95.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 246 406 60.6 36.9 3,036 7.5 276.0 19 12 143 35.2 93T 39 6 7 87.0
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 266 424 62.7 38.5 2,823 6.7 256.6 19 10 146 34.4 75 28 4 12 87.2
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 215 327 65.7 29.7 2,806 8.6 255.1 23 10 133 40.7 67 38 9 16 103.3
6 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 235 400 58.8 36.4 2,770 6.9 251.8 14 10 128 32.0 90T 36 8 17 81.1
7 Chad Pennington MIA QB 225 341 66.0 31.0 2,715 8.0 246.8 11 6 133 39.0 80T 31 6 20 93.7
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 238 359 66.3 32.6 2,615 7.3 237.7 13 8 125 34.8 66T 24 4 34 90.5
9 Brett Favre NYJ QB 245 347 70.6 31.5 2,461 7.1 223.7 20 13 131 37.8 56T 25 7 21 94.1
9 David Garrard JAC QB 228 363 62.8 33.0 2,461 6.8 223.7 9 8 129 35.5 35 26 0 30 81.8
11 Matt Ryan ATL QB 186 310 60.0 28.2 2,418 7.8 219.8 11 6 111 35.8 70T 30 7 13 88.3
Not only did you ignore all the stats I posted in my original post, you still can't answer me using football speak and statistical evidence to back up your claims. You're wrong, plain and simple. Cassel will make millions next year, and you will be owned again, haha.
so, according to your 'statisitcal evidence', statistically cassel is a better QB than favre and is therefore the better QB overall.
::)
but i guess your stats only apply to where you want them to. live by the sword, die by the sword i suppose.
please, don't stop now- i'm enjoying this little self- inflicted owning your administering to yourself.
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, the kid was always destined for greatness.
not really, he was lightly recruited out of high school
3 star prospect which means college scouts didn't think he had great pro potential
i think he was a late bloomer
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not really, he was lightly recruited out of high school
3 star prospect which means college scouts didn't think he had great pro potential
i think he was a late bloomer
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I meant after watching him play. He had "it".
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I know right. Cassel throws for over 1000 yards nine td's and one int over the last three games and no one says he is a bum. Thats even after showing him stats that say Cassel is the eighth best qb inthe NFL.
Did I mention Cassel did this vs the AFC east, which is the second best group of teams in the NFL.
Oh brother, these guys, haha.
you know, the more i read your posts i wonder if you even watch football at all. actually i just think you're so much of a homer you can't tell reality from your little dream world where matt cassel massages you in coconut butter and feeds you grapes.
only an idiot would proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold a clipboard since highschool the 8th best quarterback in the NFL after 10 games.
i'm surprised canton hasn't called cassel to inform him he is going to be inducted next year.
you know, your 'stats' would probably hold a little more significance if he had been a starter in the league for 2 or so years, but to come off the bench and play 10 games and call him the 8th best in the NFL makes you more laughable than the ignorance displayed in your posts.
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Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player. Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands.
here you go sweetheart...
http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php?s=057270763e42707d2dda0347674eead8&showtopic=334220&st=0&p=353373&#entry353373
nobody in the world of the NFL- analysts, reporters, coaches or players is even mentioning cassel in the same breath as ryan. in fact, nobody talks about cassel at all, despite him being 'the 8th best quarterback in the NFL'. they must all be wrong, and you are right. ::)
god you're dumb.
how many times have you heard the words 'pro bowl', 'rookie of the year' and matt ryan in the last couple of week- alot.
how many times have you heard the words matt cassel and 'pro bowl'. none. the only words you hear in relation to cassel is...'who'?
cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.
thanks for coming out.
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I'm a Dolphins fan and even I couldn't ignore how GOOD Matt Cassell is. Sure it helps having Moss but he throws those balls fast and accurate, plus his scrambling ability is top notch.
Who knew this kid had it? Props.
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you know, the more i read your posts i wonder if you even watch football at all. actually i just think you're so much of a homer you can't tell reality from your little dream world where matt cassel massages you in coconut butter and feeds you grapes.
only an idiot would proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold a clipboard since highschool the 8th best quarterback in the NFL after 10 games.
i'm surprised canton hasn't called cassel to inform him he is going to be inducted next year.
you know, your 'stats' would probably hold a little more significance if he had been a starter in the league for 2 or so years, but to come off the bench and play 10 games and call him the 8th best in the NFL makes you more laughable than the ignorance displayed in your posts.
I have shown you with facts and stats why you are a total bafoon. Not to mention not a single poster in this thread agrees with what you say. You're not smart, and it's clear you know little to nothing about football.
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here you go sweetheart...
http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php?s=057270763e42707d2dda0347674eead8&showtopic=334220&st=0&p=353373&#entry353373
nobody in the world of the NFL- analysts, reporters, coaches or players is even mentioning cassel in the same breath as ryan. in fact, nobody talks about cassel at all, despite him being 'the 8th best quarterback in the NFL'. they must all be wrong, and you are right. ::)
god you're dumb.
how many times have you heard the words 'pro bowl', 'rookie of the year' and matt ryan in the last couple of week- alot.
how many times have you heard the words matt cassel and 'pro bowl'. none. the only words you hear in relation to cassel is...'who'?
cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.
thanks for coming out.
You are so dumb that it almost shocks me. You have already been shown that you are wrong, and that you are an idiot. Matt Ryan does not have as good of stats as Matt Cassel over the same amount of games. I don't give a shit what a bunch of Homer Atlanta fans say. I can't beleive you posted some newspaper article as some type of proof. I could post a bunch of articles that show Cassels rookie numbers are better than Brady's but I'm not dumb like you. Here are the colts hard facts:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 286 424 67.5 38.5 3,574 8.4 324.9 22 11 153 36.1 84T 45 15 9 99.9
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 302 433 69.7 39.4 3,506 8.1 318.7 21 8 174 40.2 79T 35 8 19 102.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 246 406 60.6 36.9 3,036 7.5 276.0 19 12 143 35.2 93T 39 6 7 87.0
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 266 424 62.7 38.5 2,823 6.7 256.6 19 10 146 34.4 75 28 4 12 87.2
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 215 327 65.7 29.7 2,806 8.6 255.1 23 10 133 40.7 67 38 9 16 103.3
6 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 235 400 58.8 36.4 2,770 6.9 251.8 14 10 128 32.0 90T 36 8 17 81.1
7 Chad Pennington MIA QB 225 341 66.0 31.0 2,715 8.0 246.8 11 6 133 39.0 80T 31 6 20 93.7
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 238 359 66.3 32.6 2,615 7.3 237.7 13 8 125 34.8 66T 24 4 34 90.5
9 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 228 359 63.5 32.6 2,599 7.2 236.3 17 9 115 32.0 62 31 9 23 90.5
10 Brett Favre NYJ QB 245 347 70.6 31.5 2,461 7.1 223.7 20 13 131 37.8 56T 25 7 21 94.1
10 David Garrard JAC QB 228 363 62.8 33.0 2,461 6.8 223.7 9 8 129 35.5 35 26 0 30 81.8
12 Matt Ryan ATL QB 186 310 60.0 28.2 2,418 7.8 219.8 11 6 111 35.8 70T 30 7 13 88.3
Matt Cassel is better than Ryan, it's that simple dumbass. Using the stats above, please tell me how Matt Ryan is better than Cassel. Cassel is not being considered for ROTY, because technically he is not a rookie (even though he had not started a game since college). Anyone who says Ryan is the mvp is a total dumbass. You're a Falcons fan, and talking about teams going nowhere, baaahahahah!
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I'm a Dolphins fan and even I couldn't ignore how GOOD Matt Cassell is. Sure it helps having Moss but he throws those balls fast and accurate, plus his scrambling ability is top notch.
Who knew this kid had it? Props.
He has all those things, then add superior coaching to bring out full potential from the raw physical and mental talents. Most NFL teams don't have or apply it. NE does, making a big difference with whomever plays for them in realizing full player potential. The old 49ers had the same edge in superior coaching.
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Dude whatever. Matt Cassel was on the roster for a reason. He is a big time quarterback. Look at his throws last week. It aint like he is just throwing jump balls to Moss. Dude makes good deep out throws. Slants and leads damn good when throwing the post. And an added bonus is his legs. i know im gonna get a lot of shit for this but he reminds me of an early 90s steve young, with his potential and his strengths. The ability to get away from the rush and make a play with his feet while still looking down field.
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You are so dumb that it almost shocks me. You have already been shown that you are wrong, and that you are an idiot. Matt Ryan does not have as good of stats as Matt Cassel over the same amount of games. I don't give a shit what a bunch of Homer Atlanta fans say. I can't beleive you posted some newspaper article as some type of proof. I could post a bunch of articles that show Cassels rookie numbers are better than Brady's but I'm not dumb like you. Here are the colts hard facts:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 286 424 67.5 38.5 3,574 8.4 324.9 22 11 153 36.1 84T 45 15 9 99.9
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 302 433 69.7 39.4 3,506 8.1 318.7 21 8 174 40.2 79T 35 8 19 102.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 246 406 60.6 36.9 3,036 7.5 276.0 19 12 143 35.2 93T 39 6 7 87.0
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 266 424 62.7 38.5 2,823 6.7 256.6 19 10 146 34.4 75 28 4 12 87.2
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 215 327 65.7 29.7 2,806 8.6 255.1 23 10 133 40.7 67 38 9 16 103.3
6 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 235 400 58.8 36.4 2,770 6.9 251.8 14 10 128 32.0 90T 36 8 17 81.1
7 Chad Pennington MIA QB 225 341 66.0 31.0 2,715 8.0 246.8 11 6 133 39.0 80T 31 6 20 93.7
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 238 359 66.3 32.6 2,615 7.3 237.7 13 8 125 34.8 66T 24 4 34 90.5
9 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 228 359 63.5 32.6 2,599 7.2 236.3 17 9 115 32.0 62 31 9 23 90.5
10 Brett Favre NYJ QB 245 347 70.6 31.5 2,461 7.1 223.7 20 13 131 37.8 56T 25 7 21 94.1
10 David Garrard JAC QB 228 363 62.8 33.0 2,461 6.8 223.7 9 8 129 35.5 35 26 0 30 81.8
12 Matt Ryan ATL QB 186 310 60.0 28.2 2,418 7.8 219.8 11 6 111 35.8 70T 30 7 13 88.3
Matt Cassel is better than Ryan, it's that simple dumbass. Using the stats above, please tell me how Matt Ryan is better than Cassel. Cassel is not being considered for ROTY, because technically he is not a rookie (even though he had not started a game since college). Anyone who says Ryan is the mvp is a total dumbass. You're a Falcons fan, and talking about teams going nowhere, baaahahahah!
show me where i used the words matt cassel and rookie of the year?
you can't. anyway...nice try. non- eligible.
i know it hurts 'body 88' that being a NE fan and nobody who knows anything about football is giving your boy any respect and causes you to grieve.
tell me, is matt cassel a better QB than brett favre? your 'stats' say he is. a simple yes or no will suffice.
i'll be waiting for your answer.
;)
(edit: sorry sweetheart- i'm not a falcons fan, but it would probably make the fact i'm right a littler less bitter for you if i were)
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he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.
cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.
i'm glad to see that you had common sense enough to not debate these truths, and instead opt to copy /paste your stats like you usually do when scrambling to support your flawed little argument.
anyone who would say matt cassel is the 8th best QB in the NFL has rocks in their head. period. lol. holy shit! it's so laughable to think you are sincere. maybe you are joking. you have to be. i think you're just pulling my leg. nobody is that stupid.
anyway, here's some more reading material-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/80109-can-a-rookie-qb-make-the-pro-bowl-matt-ryan-can-and-he-just-might
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Matt-Ryan-Called-The-Best-Rookie-Quarterback-Ever-Is-That-True-Blog-14849
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bradley/entries/2008/11/23/ryan_playing_like_no_rookie_be.html
i tried to do a search for matt cassel and pro bowl references, but there were none.
sorry.
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Man, it's going to be funny to see you crash and burn. Your the typical fan who reads a few forums and thinks they know a thing or two about football. this entire thread disagrees with you, I have proven you wrong, and you cannot accept my challenge to prove that Matt Ryan is better than Matt Cassel with stats and facts.
Also, this whole thing started over you calling a guy who just passed for 1000 yards, 9 td's and 1 int (over three of the best teams in the NFL)a bum. You really are dumb as hell, and there is no point in trying to rationalize with you. Again, using the current qb stats, prove to me why Matt Cassel is a bum. You can't so you dance around the issue, fraud. The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Tedy Bru is going to be voted in this year. Are you kidding? He is 500 yards over the hill. Your the type of fan who watches sportscenter twice a week and thinks they know everything about sports. Lol, as I type this sportscenter and Pete Caroll are fawning over Cassel stats, hahahaha!!!! According to you Cassel is now legit since sportscenter talked about him!
Can some other posters weigh in on the issue. What are your thoughts guys?
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Man, it's going to be funny to see you crash and burn. Your the typical fan who reads a few forums and thinks they know a thing or two about football. this entire thread disagrees with you, I have proven you wrong, and you cannot accept my challenge to prove that Matt Ryan is better than Matt Cassel with stats and facts.
Also, this whole thing started over you calling a guy who just passed for 1000 yards, 9 td's and 1 int (over three of the best teams in the NFL)a bum. You really are dumb as hell, and there is no point in trying to rationalize with you. Again, using the current qb stats, prove to me why Matt Cassel is a bum. You can't so you dance around the issue, fraud. The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Tedy Bru is going to be voted in this year. Are you kidding? He is 500 yards over the hill. Your the type of fan who watches sportscenter twice a week and thinks they know everything about sports. Lol, as I type this sportscenter and Pete Caroll are fawning over Cassel stats, hahahaha!!!! According to you Cassel is now legit since sportscenter talked about him!
Can some other posters weigh in on the issue. What are your thoughts guys?
yes- agree, lets get the other posters to weigh in here:
is cassel a better qb than brett favre? according to body 88 and his stats he is. opinions?
has matt cassel impacted NE more than ryan has the falcons?
would quinn, flacco or ryan have the same numbers in NE?
now that that is out of the way, where do i start dismantling you, yet again...?
well...first,
i'm sorry, can you show me where i said matt cassel is a bum? no, you can't. he's an NFL quarterback- they don't just walk in off the street. my exception to your grandstanding and homerism in this thread is CALLING A GUY WHO HAS HELD NOTHING BUT A CLIPBOARD SINCE HIGHSCHOOL THE 8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL AFTER 11 GAMES.
secondly,
i have never said 'sportscenter' is an authority on anything nor the basis of the opinions i have.
poor 'body 88', twisting words in an attempt to discredit since you can't debate with reason, but it doesn't hide the fact that you never answered this question....
tell me, is matt cassel a better QB than brett favre? your 'stats' say he is. a simple yes or no will suffice.
can you debate that any of the 3 rookies you named wouldn't have the same numbers in NE? you said cassel was the better of the 3 rookies using your 'stats' and i gave my rebuttal. where's your's - oh yeah- you don't have one. lol.
can you debate ryan has impacted his team more than any first year starter? no...but i hope you do debate these points because it will only cement the fact you have no clue as to what the fuck you are talking about.
the best part about all of this is that you were the one who orignally brought about the cassel/ ryan comparison, not me, and now you look the fool for getting owned using your own argument.
seriously bro- stop now. your falling so far behind here it's only making you look more and more stupid with every post you make.
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your use of statistics to support your argument is fallible at best.
statistically, your man-crush has better numbers than tom brady and carson palmer.
is he a better quarterback?
oh, sorry, you must have missed this post. let me embolden it so you can't miss it a second time.
bump for an answer.
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Who is the eight best QB in the NFL according to the stats? My argument from the start, lol. Who is it no one? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eight best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason the pats are winning. I said you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel has the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eight best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. You can't !
thanks.
that's what i thought you'd say.
my work here is done.
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thanks.
that's what i thought you'd say.
my work here is done.
:)
Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:
Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol. Who is it? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning. I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse". You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality. The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal. Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week. Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison. First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack). Lets look at the running game. Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success. Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week. Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job. NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water. The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers. Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run. Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year. Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta. This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.
Now lets look at sacks. The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13. Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now. Atlanta has the BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan. That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....
Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers). So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England. it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. Schools out your fraud.
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its nice to sit in the stands and watch for once.
you guys are looking at it from two different perspectives. its hard to debate who is the better quarterback right now, Favre or Cassel. The matter is subjective and cant be determined because all the variables for both quarterbacks are vastly different.
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its nice to sit in the stands and watch for once.
you guys are looking at it from two different perspectives. its hard to debate who is the better quarterback right now, Favre or Cassel. The matter is subjective and cant be determined because all the variables for both quarterbacks are vastly different.
All I said was that Cassel was better than Ryan according to the stats, which was built off of this champion calling Cassel a bum. Do you think Cassel is a bum Athiest?
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All I said was that Cassel was better than Ryan according to the stats, which was built off of this champion calling Cassel a bum. Do you think Cassel is a bum Athiest?
Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.
i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.
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Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.
i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.
Not by much on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the pats have better wr's than the Falcons, but as a whole Atlanta has the more productive unit. The Falcons have more rushing yards, more total offensive yards and a far better running game. Ryan has also been sacked 13 times less than Cassel, and the Falcons play in a garbage division. The pats are better, but to say that ryan has no supporting cast is laughable, I just showed with stats why it's just not true.....no matter the perception. Turner is a BEAST, and Atlanta has weapons. The woe-is-me crowd for Atlanta is a joke. They have weapons.
The pats are dealing with a RASH of injuries, which makes it much closer than you think. This is not the 2007 pats.
A summary:
Falcons have the better running game ( which opens up the pass) Cassel = better numbers
Falcons allowed 50% less sacks this year than the pats - Cassel has better numbers
Faclons have more total O, more total rushing O and Cassel plays in a much tougher division - Cassel = better numbers
And of course the obvious: Cassel is ranked higher than Ryan, and has been even while playing in the teeth of schedule including the colts, jets, phins and bills.
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Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.
i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.
don't argue with him.
if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.
i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.
anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.
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Not by much on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the pats have better wr's than the Falcons, but as a whole Atlanta has the more productive unit. The Falcons have more rushing yards, more total offensive yards and a far better running game. Ryan has also been sacked 13 times less than Cassel, and the Falcons play in a garbage division. The pats are better, but to say that ryan has no supporting cast is laughable, I just showed with stats why it's just not true.....no matter the perception. Turner is a BEAST, and Atlanta has weapons. The woe-is-me crowd for Atlanta is a joke. They have weapons.
The pats are dealing with a RASH of injuries, which makes it much closer than you think. This is not the 2007 pats.
A summary:
Falcons have the better running game ( which opens up the pass) Cassel = better numbers
Falcons allowed 50% less sacks this year than the pats - Cassel has better numbers
Faclons have more total O, more total rushing O and Cassel plays in a much tougher division - Cassel = better numbers
And of course the obvious: Cassel is ranked higher than Ryan, and has been even while playing in the teeth of schedule including the colts, jets, phins and bills.
certainly this is all very true, i havent looked up the stats myself but im sure youre accurate. however more people would be surprised with the Falcons making the playoffs than the Pats. they would take the teams history, coaches and probowl players into consideration while making this assumption, whether its accurate to do so is arbitrary.
also im not absolutely sure but im semi-confident that the Pats have a much better defense which tends to be a larger attribute in winning than a potent offense.
another thing is if both teams were to play each other at the end of the season and it was a must win for both, im rather certain the Pats would be favored, Vegas is usually correct when breaking down teams and the probability of who will win.
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don't argue with him.
if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.
i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.
anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.
im not arguing, just trying to be objective. believe me he and i have gone at it to the nth degree, pages and pages of going back and forth. it
was insane. i see what youre saying, though its impossible for either of you to solidify your stance because as i mentioned earlier its all so subjective and have extremely different variables.
are you guys arguing who is better or where Cassel stands?
i will say from what ive seen that in my opinion that Cassel can play and is not a bum (i know thats not your argument) i think he has been really good up till now and can be very very good throughout his career, his chances are even better if he can stay in NE.
no one can definitively say that from the beginning of the season till now alone who the better qb is; Favre,Cassel or Ryan.
i would certainly take Cassel as a qb for the dolphins though, would you? i think he is seriously legit.
go fins, i think there are 3 Fin fans on here now ;D
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im not arguing, just trying to be objective. believe me he and i have gone at it to the nth degree, pages and pages of going back and forth. it
was insane. i see what youre saying, though its impossible for either of you to solidify your stance because as i mentioned earlier its all so subjective and have extremely different variables.
are you guys arguing who is better or where Cassel stands?
i will say from what ive seen that in my opinion that Cassel can play and is not a bum (i know thats not your argument)
no one can definitively say that from the beginning of the season till now alone who the better qb is; Favre,Cassel or Ryan.
i would certainly take Cassel as a qb for the dolphins though, would you? i think he'll be really good.
go fins, i think there are 3 Fin fans on here now ;D
in miami i think cassel would really have chance to shine.
he's got a strong arm and for a rookie he shows that he improves week to week, unlike some who stagnate or don't even produce.
with his mobility outside the pocket i think it would add another dimension to the wildcat formation they like to run, provided of course teams don't find ways to adjust to it after a while. it's one of those formations that you can't go to the well with too many times before teams can adjust. this isn't college ball.
he's not a slouch- that's for sure- but nowhere have i ever said he was a bum. i just take exception to him being proclaimed 'the 8th best QB in the NFL' after only being in the league for 11 games. what about brady- he's not on body 88's stats list, nor is palmer. will he languish behind brady if he isn't dealt by NE- absolutely. will he impact whatever team he plays for- who can say- it depends on the team and who they have in place at their key positions. how would cassel do in detroit, you know what i'm saying?
you know, i still like miami with st.l/ buffalo/ kc/ sf to play they should be in good shape going into the playoffs.
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in miami i think cassel would really have chance to shine.
he's got a strong arm and for a rookie he shows that he improves week to week, unlike some who stagnate or don't even produce.
with his mobility outside the pocket i think it would add another dimension to the wildcat formation they like to run, provided of course teams don't find ways to adjust to it after a while. it's one of those formations that you can't go to the well with too many times before teams can adjust. this isn't college ball.
he's not a slouch- that's for sure- but nowhere have i ever said he was a bum. i just take exception to him being proclaimed 'the 8th best QB in the NFL' after only being in the league for 11 games. what about brady- he's not on body 88's stats list, nor is palmer. will he languish behind brady if he isn't dealt by NE- absolutely. will he impact whatever team he plays for- who can say- it depends on the team and who they have in place at their key positions. how would cassel do in detroit, you know what i'm saying?
you know, i still like miami with st.l/ buffalo/ kc/ sf to play they should be in good shape going into the playoffs.
it was a mere thought, i know Cassel will NEVER end up in the AFC if he leaves.
ive had my heart broken so many times by miami before it has made me a pessimist. so far they have impressed me a lot but they have miles to go. imagine what we would be had we not wasted our drafts all those years. the 93 afc championship game against San Diego killed me.
the bottom line is that you both agree that he is a good
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don't argue with him.
if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.
i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.
anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.
You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons. I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are. Please answer this post:
Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:
Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol. Who is it? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning. I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse". You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality. The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal. Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week. Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison. First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack). Lets look at the running game. Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success. Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week. Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job. NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water. The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers. Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run. Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year. Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta. This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.
Now lets look at sacks. The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13. Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now. Atlanta has the BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan. That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....
Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers). So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England. it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. Schools out your fraud.
Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week. You're right, no one talks about him ::)
* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating. Cassel led the Patriots’ offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter. His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08). The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
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You did call Cassel a bum.
listen asshole.
i'm done with you twisting my words.
show me where i said your boytoy was a 'bum'
can't, can you?
i don't even bother to read your posts anymore cause it always the same ol' song and dance.
thanks and go fuck yourself.
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listen asshole.
i'm done with you twisting my words.
show me where i said your boytoy was a 'bum'
can't, can you?
i don't even bother to read your posts anymore cause it always the same ol' song and dance.
thanks and go fuck yourself.
Translation - I got owned in your post with stats and evidence that debunked everything I said, and now I am making excuses as to why I cannot answer your post. Please refute the points I made in the post above.....unless you cant, ha-ha :) I think the best part of the post is when I let you know that NE's offensive line has given up x2 the sacks of Atlanta's line, yet Cassel still has better stats. If anything Ryan is being helped by his supporting cast MORE. I loved Ryan coming out of College, I watched the kid play at BC. I have no axe to grind! Roddy White is becoming one of the best receivers in the NFL. You know that he has better stats than Moss and Welker right? So, Ryan has no help....yet his o-line gave up 13 less sacks than the pats line, Roddy White is the 3rd best wr in the NFL and Turner is the second best back in the NFL. Man, you're just laughable! Cassel is the better QB right now, just the facts.
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jamie dukes, NFL network on cassel when asked if matt cassel's numbers over the last two weeks are indicative of his playing ability, or if it's the system:
'...it's a combination of the system and his (cassel's) own progression...we need to stop anointing these guys before they have proven themselves'.
ron woodson, NLF network on cassel:
'...he's had, what? 29 passes for over 20 yards all year...'
of course, 'body88' knows more than a future hall of famer.
and the rest of the football world, of course.
ahahahahahahahaha
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jamie dukes, NFL network on cassel when asked if matt cassel's numbers over the last two weeks are indicative of his playing ability, or if it's the system:
'...it's a combination of the system and his (cassel's) own progression...we need to stop anointing these guys before they have proven themselves'.
ron woodson, NLF network on cassel:
'...he's had, what? 29 passes for over 20 yards all year...'
of course, 'body88' knows more than a future hall of famer.
and the rest of the football world, of course.
ahahahahahahahaha
Stop dodging the issue! Posting quotes from two of the most ignorant (and often wrong) mediots proves nothing. It's clear you have melted down and cannot refute the post below. You won't touch it with a ten foot poll, because you don't have the ability to answer it. You're wrong, period.
You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons. I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are. Please answer this post:
Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:
Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol. Who is it? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning. I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse". You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality. The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal. Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week. Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison. First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack). Lets look at the running game. Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success. Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week. Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job. NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water. The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers. Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run. Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year. Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta. This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.
Now lets look at sacks. The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13. Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now. Atlanta has the BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan. That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....
Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers). So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England. it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. Schools out your fraud.
Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week. You're right, no one talks about him
* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating. Cassel led the Patriots’ offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter. His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08). The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
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jamie dukes, NFL network on cassel when asked if matt cassel's numbers over the last two weeks are indicative of his playing ability, or if it's the system:
'...it's a combination of the system and his (cassel's) own progression...we need to stop anointing these guys before they have proven themselves'.
I said that weeks ago. He's only partially right, and left things out:
-There's no way to split the system from the guy until he plays elsewhere. He doesn't know any better than anyone else how much it's one or the other, therefore give both credit.
- Listen up: once guys absorb the coaching/system, they can then take it elsewhere, it's permanently in them along with their own talents that were already there. If they don't do well elsewhere after all that it's typically more likely the fault of a poor system including the players and coaching around them.
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ALL HAIL THE 8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL..!
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Cassel 19/39 169 0 2
bahahahahahahahaha
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He fucked me today! No playoffs for me(in one league anyway).
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ALL HAIL THE 8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL..!
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Cassel 19/39 169 0 2
bahahahahahahahaha
You're going to use stats when Cassel has a poor day, but ignore his awesome stats vs Indy, the Bills, the phins and the Jets? If you are using stats, you're making yourself look bad. Also, please answer the post below (unless you don't have the knowledge to do so):
You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons. I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are. Please answer this post:
Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:
Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol. Who is it? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning. I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse". You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality. The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal. Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week. Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison. First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack). Lets look at the running game. Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success. Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week. Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job. NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water. The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers. Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run. Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year. Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta. This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.
Now lets look at sacks. The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13. Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now. Atlanta has the BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan. That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....
Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers). So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England. it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. Schools out your fraud.
Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week. You're right, no one talks about him
* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating. Cassel led the Patriots’ offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter. His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08). The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
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He fucked me today! No playoffs for me(in one league anyway).
The steelers do have the #1 d in the NFL, Moss dropped 2 td passes, and it is winter in NE. Why would you think Cassel would have a big passing day?
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The steelers do have the #1 d in the NFL, Moss dropped 2 td passes, and it is winter in NE. Why would you think Cassel would have a big passing day?
I sat him the past two weeks and was at my wicks end with myself for doing it, especially last week after he had the breakout game. I just said fuck it and started my best player.
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I sat him the past two weeks and was at my wicks end with myself for doing it, especially last week after he had the breakout game. I just said fuck it and started my best player.
Had Moss not had butterfingers on two td passes in his bread basket, you would have had a good day.
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Had Moss not had butterfingers on two td passes in his bread basket, you would have had a good day.
I lost my game by 5 :(
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Deebo made Matt Light look like a high school football player. Outside of the two sacks/strips, he was grabbing Deebo around the neck and tackling him. No holding, of course.... ???
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Deebo made Matt Light look like a high school football player. Outside of the two sacks/strips, he was grabbing Deebo around the neck and tackling him. No holding, of course.... ???
Light has trouble with certain speed rushers. However, most of the time he does a great job. Everyone holds.
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Light has trouble with certain speed rushers. However, most of the time he does a great job. Everyone holds.
I agree with the the holding, but to be able to grab someone around the neck and ride them to the ground?
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ALL HAIL THE 8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL..!
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Cassel 19/39 169 0 2
bahahahahahahahaha
um, 'body 88' , your little hero, the '8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE LEAGUE' matt cassel, according to you is a better quarterback than brett favre, joe flacco, and matt ryan.
how do you explain that the aforementioned gentlemen are all taking their teams to the playoffs- teams that don't have nearly the talent at the skilled positions as NE- yet a team led by your next candidate for the hall of fame, matt cassel, so stacked at the skill positions (gaffney, moss, welker) isn't going to even get a wild card- and it's in the weakest of the two conferences- imagine if NE was in the NFC east? they'd win a whole 3-4 games on the back of that MONSTER matt cassel.
right- i forgot- it's all the o- line's fault.
::)
yes, matt cassel is definitely the '8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE LEAGUE'.
bwahahahahahahahahaha
welcome to reality, boy.
(and the off season)
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I agree with the the holding, but to be able to grab someone around the neck and ride them to the ground?
The guy has a great game, and all you can do is whine that light grabbed him by the neck ::) Casey Hamton was holding guys all over the place ( and was flagged for it), but you don't see me bitching. Matt light has trouble with some of the games top speed rushers, but he also does a good job vs some ( Merimen and Ware to name a few). Light is an above average o-linemen who had a pro-bowl year last year, thats about it.
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um, 'body 88' , your little hero, the '8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE LEAGUE' matt cassel, according to you is a better quarterback than brett favre, joe flacco, and matt ryan.
how do you explain that the aforementioned gentlemen are all taking their teams to the playoffs- teams that don't have nearly the talent at the skilled positions as NE- yet a team led by your next candidate for the hall of fame, matt cassel, so stacked at the skill positions (gaffney, moss, welker) isn't going to even get a wild card- and it's in the weakest of the two conferences- imagine if NE was in the NFC east? they'd win a whole 3-4 games on the back of that MONSTER matt cassel.
right- i forgot- it's all the o- line's fault.
::)
First off, I said ACCORDING TO THE STATS Matt Cassel is the 8th best qb in the NFL. Haha, your meatball. BFury, your answer is in this post....just answer it. Troll, you can't do it : )
You're going to use stats when Cassel has a poor day, but ignore his awesome stats vs Indy, the Bills, the phins and the Jets? If you are using stats, you're making yourself look bad. Also, please answer the post below (unless you don't have the knowledge to do so):
You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons. I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are. Please answer this post:
Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:
Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol. Who is it? All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said. I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats. I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning. I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb. When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers. Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.
The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse". You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality. The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal. Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week. Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison. First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack). Lets look at the running game. Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success. Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week. Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job. NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water. The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers. Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run. Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year. Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta. This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.
Now lets look at sacks. The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13. Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now. Atlanta has the BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan. That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....
Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers). So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England. it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!
Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year. 11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size. Schools out your fraud.
Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week. You're right, no one talks about him
* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating. Cassel led the Patriots’ offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter. His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08). The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
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What metric are you using to rank him 8th? Has it changed overall since last week?
As far as QB rating goes, I think he's 14th now.
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What metric are you using to rank him 8th? Has it changed overall since last week?
As far as QB rating goes, I think he's 14th now.
I was using that stats from NFL.COM. Cassel is now ranked 8th using the same stats:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 311 471 66.0 39.2 3,870 8.2 322.5 24 14 167 35.5 84T 50 15 10 95.9
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 323 472 68.4 39.3 3,741 7.9 311.8 24 11 184 39.0 79T 40 9 19 99.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 273 449 60.8 37.4 3,393 7.6 282.8 21 13 157 35.0 93T 45 7 7 87.8
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 262 439 59.7 36.6 3,030 6.9 252.5 18 10 146 33.3 90T 40 8 18 84.8
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 232 357 65.0 29.8 2,955 8.3 246.2 23 10 140 39.2 67 38 9 19 100.5
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 281 445 63.1 37.1 2,948 6.6 245.7 19 12 155 34.8 75 28 4 12 85.3
7 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 257 404 63.6 33.7 2,897 7.2 241.4 20 10 133 32.9 62 34 10 25 91.2
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 238 364 65.4 30.3 2,881 7.9 240.1 11 6 140 38.5 80T 33 6 21 92.8
9 Matt Cassel NE QB 257 398 64.6 33.2 2,784 7.0 232.0 13 10 132 33.2 66T 26 4 39 85.5
Also, my whole point was from the start of this thread was that Matt Cassel was the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats during the hardest part of the pats schedule. Cassel played the Colts, the Bills, the Phins and the Jets. The people using a single bad game vs the best defense in the NFL (in the rain) are grasping at straws. Cassel had awesome numbers vs four top teams leading up the yesterdays game, and Cassel was not the one who lost the game yesterday. Moss dropped two td passes in his hands, and thats not even getting into the horrid play by Matt light, the o-line and the defense. It was a bad game all around.
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Oh, I'm not arguing whether Cassel's done well or not, just wasn't sure of the source of your data. To me, he's done a decent job, but he's nowhere near the level that Dennis and Callahan were putting him at, and the people calling EEI and saying to keep him and trade Brady are morons.
I went to NFL.com, but when I choose the QB rankings, it shows him 14th.
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ahahahaha...
you're a maroon.
all your excuses for why NE is terrible and why you think matt cassel is alot better than anyone gives him credit for are empty.
the giants lost mitchell to buffalo, straghan to retirement, uminyora to injury and burress has only been active for a third of the season and they are still the best team in football, in the toughest division in football, so don't give the whole ' NE is missing alot of their key players to injury and that's why they suck' bullshit.
FAVRE, RYAN AND FLACCO ARE ALL GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS- but yet matt cassel, 'the 8th best quarterback in the league' and captain of the best team in football last year can't even make a wild card.
yeah, he's great.
::)
god your're stupid.
i am done with you and this thread now that my work here is done- you have shown yourself to be an idiot and without much help from me.
congratulations on that.
ahahahahahahahahahaha
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Oh, I'm not arguing whether Cassel's done well or not, just wasn't sure of the source of your data. To me, he's done a decent job, but he's nowhere near the level that Dennis and Callahan were putting him at, and the people calling EEI and saying to keep him and trade Brady are morons.
I went to NFL.com, but when I choose the QB rankings, it shows him 14th.
You must have a certain stat chosen then. Stats- Postion -qb - Matt Cassel = 9th (all stats considered).
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You must have a certain stat chosen then. Stats- Postion -qb - Matt Cassel = 9th (all stats considered).
OK - I think mine was ranked by QB rating alone.....
THis is what I have - it automatically ranks them on QB rating, all stats considered.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&statisticPositionCategor y=QUARTERBACK&season=2008&seasonType=REG
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OK - I think mine was ranked by QB rating alone.....
THis is what I have - it automatically ranks them on QB rating, all stats considered.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&statisticPositionCategor y=QUARTERBACK&season=2008&seasonType=REG
A good stat no doubt, but not the best when it comes to rating a qb imo.