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How much fish oil (in capsules) should someone aim to take each day?
I have access to 1000mg fish oil capsules (460epa+380dha).
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6
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Bounced around between 6 and 9 grams per day. Anything in that range is perfect, less doesn't work as well, more makes me bruise easily with no added benefit.
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General guidelines are 2-6 grams, but you'll see numbers all over the board. Depends if it's just for overall well-being, high cholesterol, depression, heart disease, rheumatoid arthritis... The "1000mg" capsule means nothing. It's the EPA & DHA that are important. The EPA part is what's good for the body and the DHA part is what's good for the brain. Obviously, you've seen those numbers all over the place depending on brand and $$$.
The big studies out there use a 2:1 (epa/dha) ratio in their testing, but for some reason, it's hard to find capsules in that ratio. Anyway, no one can make the blanket statement - "take 2 or take 4 capsules". It depends how much EPA/DHA in each and the purpose. If your capsules are 1000mg each and contain 460/380, that sounds like a very high concentration and probably a high quality.
Hope that makes sense.
Bounced around between 6 and 9 grams per day. Anything in that range is perfect, less doesn't work as well, more makes me bruise easily with no added benefit.
Fish oil does have blood thinning properties, so that's why you bruising easier. That doesn't happen to everyone.
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Even though this site is trying to sell fish oil, the basic information is accurate and it's got a lot of good information.
See categories on the right side of the page
http://healthyomega3.com/blog/fish-oil-benefits/
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General guidelines are 2-6 grams, but you'll see numbers all over the board. Depends if it's just for overall well-being, high cholesterol, depression, heart disease, rheumatoid arthritis... The "1000mg" capsule means nothing. It's the EPA & DHA that are important. The EPA part is what's good for the body and the DHA part is what's good for the brain. Obviously, you've seen those numbers all over the place depending on brand and $$$.
The big studies out there use a 2:1 (epa/dha) ratio in their testing, but for some reason, it's hard to find capsules in that ratio. Anyway, no one can make the blanket statement - "take 2 or take 4 capsules". It depends how much EPA/DHA in each and the purpose. If your capsules are 1000mg each and contain 460/380, that sounds like a very high concentration and probably a high quality.
Hope that makes sense.
Fish oil does have blood thinning properties, so that's why you bruising easier. That doesn't happen to everyone.
Thanks a lot..
Yes, the one i use is pharmaceutical quality (I get it via prescription) it is 460/380...i take 2 a day....and have gone as high as 6 a day.
Now, as far as epa and dha...how much is enough for well being? maybe 2 grams of epa and 1 gram of dha?
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Thanks a lot..
Yes, the one i use is pharmaceutical quality (I get it via prescription) it is 460/380...i take 2 a day....and have gone as high as 6 a day.
Now, as far as epa and dha...how much is enough for well being? maybe 2 grams of epa and 1 gram of dha?
I use 2-4 Tablespoons per day with great results.
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Thanks a lot..
Yes, the one i use is pharmaceutical quality (I get it via prescription) it is 460/380...i take 2 a day....and have gone as high as 6 a day.
Now, as far as epa and dha...how much is enough for well being? maybe 2 grams of epa and 1 gram of dha?
So... do you have high cholesterol and that's why it's being prescribed? It really irritates the hell out of me with the big pharma jumping into the game. They're selling the same stuff to insurance companies for ~$160/mo vs what can be purchased OTC for ~10-$30/mo. >:( but that's another story ::) Granted, there's the whole quality issue...blah...blah blah...
According GSK, you shouldn't exceed 4 caps/day
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currently i take
1200mg of fish oil after my wake run
1300mg of flaxseed mid day
1000mg later in the day with my animal flex(joint repair) pack...
bench
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currently i take
1200mg of fish oil after my wake run
1300mg of flaxseed mid day
1000mg later in the day with my animal flex(joint repair) pack...
bench
My name is benchmstr . I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
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My name is benchmstr . I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
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very good sir
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My name is benchmstr . I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
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nicely played.
I don't use any fish oil supp at the moment, but i eat a lot of fresh fish.
When i was using the supp, i was aiming at at least one gram of EPA and DHA per day.
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How much fish oil (in capsules) should someone aim to take each day?
I have access to 1000mg fish oil capsules (460epa+380dha).
Why the hell would you eat rancid, pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidant fats that taste like garbage?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Why the hell would you eat rancid, pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidant fats that taste like garbage?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're really doing a great job as moderator of this board.
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You're really doing a great job as moderator of this board.
Thank you. I do it for my fans. Everything for my fans. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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DK, I think you should file a complain to Ron about what a terrible, incompetent mod who knows shit about nutrition I am, so he can remove me. :)
:)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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DK, I think you should file a complain to Ron about what a terrible, incompetent mod who knows shit about nutrition I am, so he can remove me. :)
:)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dude, you are putting down the regular posters here on the board, you are behaving like you're Mr Know-it-all and all others are just stupid idiots.
You, and you alone drove a lot of quality posters from this board.
I have gotten many pms from people asking me to come back and post here more often, but i will not do it because of your "all supplements are shit and you are all idiots" behavior.
You suck as a mod, suckmymuscle.
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Dude, you are putting down the regular posters here on the board, you are behaving like you're Mr Know-it-all and all others are just stupid idiots.
You, and you alone drove a lot of quality posters from this board.
I have gotten many pms from people asking me to come back and post here more often, but i will not do it because of your "all supplements are shit and you are all idiots" behavior.
You suck as a mod, suckmymuscle.
Funny that some time ago you said you enjoyed my moding...just goes to show you were sucking up. :D
And I don't pretend to know more than everyone; I just state flat out that I know more than you. And you can't deal with it.
But go ahead and keep insulting me. I won't delete anything as I am 100% in favor of free speach - I only deleted one of your posts in 4 years as mod, when you posted a picture of a penis ejaculating.
And I doubt I have driven many posters away, as the level of activity of this board has increased since I have been made mod. Probably not related to me being moderator, but still....
Serious note: file a complain to Ron at the administrator board. You are entitled to not be satisfoed with my moderating.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Funny that some time ago you said you enjoyed my moding...just goes to show you were sucking up. :D
And I don't pretend to know more than everyone; I just state flat out that I know more than you. And you can't deal with it.
But go ahead and keep insulting me. I won't delete anything as I am 100% in favor of free speach - I only deleted one of your posts in 4 years as mod, when you posted a picture of a penis ejaculating.
Serious note: file a complain to Ron at the administrator board. You are entitled to not be satisfoed with my moderating.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You lie straight out, and try to make this a personal thing again, but it isn't.
I have read the board all the time, you insult all users here and i get a lot of pms about how your modding sucks.
I will make a thread on the board to demod you and see how many people will speak up against your modding.
This is not from me against you, it's from me against your modding, you suck badly at it.
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Here is the PM message where DK states he likes my moding. This guy is a hypocrite! :D
DK II
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Quote from: suckmymuscle on February 24, 2009, 07:15:46 AM
Meltdown. Why so much anger, chichi? It's not this serious. Most research are bullshit anyways - payed by specal interests and not done with hardcore scientific methodology -, and every week comes out new research that contradicts the one from the pevious week. Go take some chill pills, dude. I know that you hate me and are pissed off that I was made mod, but I promisse you I won't hold it against you. I will even keep up your posts where you insult me, because I believe in free speech, as long as you don't go over-the-top with it. Happy posting!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol, i do not hate, and i am not angry. I just stated something that struck me as pretty annoying, and also lots of others.
I like your posts and your modding but you act like you know everything and all others are dumb. You should cut back a little bit on this.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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February 2009, maybe your modding is not what it was back then?? Or am i not allowed to change my opinion?
You act like fucking Hitler on this board.
You suck. Step down, let Princess do the job.
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February 2009, maybe your modding is not what it was back then?? Or am i not allowed to change my opinion?
You act like fucking Hitler on this board.
You suck. Step down, let Princess do the job.
Dude, I act like Hitler? Do you know how many posts I even edit in this board? Zero! Do you know how many posts I have deleted in over 4 years as mod? Less than ten.
Do I insult people? No! Show me where I have insulted anyone?! Where?! Do you think moderators are not moded? We are. Do you think Ron doesen't read this board and would approve a moderator insulting people? He wouldn't.
The level of activity in this board has increased since I was made mod. This is not related to me being mod, but it disproves your theory that I have driven of lots of posters.
You think that I am arrogant, when in reality I am just stating my opinion and trying to help people. But I will follow your advice and do even less interference in the board...which is close to zero.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Then tell me, why do i get those PMs?
Now you act all innocent. You know you aren't.
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DK, I am really sorry that I have offended you. I didn't realize that I struck some people as arrogant. I am also sorry that I am not doing a good job as moderator in your eyes. I will try my best to improve.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Why the hell would you eat rancid, pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidant fats that taste like garbage?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
are you saying we shouldn't take fish oil?
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are you saying we shouldn't take fish oil?
Ok, since this statement of mine has caused so much controversy, here is the explanation for why you shouldn't eat fish oil:
First of all, there is no absolute empirical evidence that the so-called EFAs are truly essential. Humans have been known to survive on diets that are close to zero on EFAs for years. Case in point: many people who surivie on junk food that are close to zero on linoleic and alpha-linolenic acid for years and, even though they become obese, they show no signs of serious EFA deficiencies such as encephalo-atrophy.
Secondly, even if you need the EFAs, the body's needs are very, very, very small and it can make both linoleic as well as alpha-linolenic acids from oleic acid - which means they are not essential -, which is present in small amounts in many leafy and cruciferous vegetables. So if your diet is rich in vegetables, there is no need for EFAs in the diet.
Thirdly, fish oil is extremely rancid. Whatever benefits you get from eating fish oil is offset by the increased infllammatory response, need for vitamin E and increased oxidative stress you get from eating fish oil. Eating lots of polynsaturated fats, like those found in fish oil, increase the markers of oxidative stress like hydrogen peroxide and superoxide anion. Eating the raw fat of fish that has just been taken of the ocean is one thing, but eating the rancid fat of fish that has been caught months ago and exposed to Oxygen for months is very bad for you. In conclusion: you should not eat fish oil. I hope I have clarified the issue for you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, since this statement of mine has caused so much controversy, here is the explanation for why you shouldn't eat fish oil:
First of all, there is no absolute empirical evidence that the so-called EFAs are truly essential. Humans have been known to survive on diets that are close to zero on EFAs for years. Case in point: many people who surivie on junk food that are close to zero on linoleic and alpha-linolenic acid for years and, even though they become obese, they show no signs of serious EFA deficiencies such as encephalo-atrophy.
Secondly, even if you need the EFAs, the body's needs are very, very, very small and it can make both linoleic as well as alpha-linolenic acids from oleic acid - which means they are not essential -, which is present in small amounts in many leafy and cruciferous vegetables. So if your diet is rich in vegetables, there is no need for EFAs in the diet.
Thirdly, fish oil is extremely rancid. Whatever benefits you get from eating fish oil is offset by the increased infllammatory response, need for vitamin E and increased oxidative stress you get from eating fish oil. Eating lots of polynsaturated fats, like those found in fish oil, increase the markers of oxidative stress like hydrogen peroxide and superoxide anion. Eating the raw fat of fish that has just been taken of the ocean is one thing, but eating the rancid fat of fish that has been caught months ago and exposed to Oxygen for months is very bad for you. In conclusion: you should not eat fish oil. I hope I have clarified the issue for you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Where are you getting these facts? Are you a dr.? I have never heard of a doctor saying you shouldn't take fish oil, in fact they say you should. I would rather live healthy than just survive.
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Ok, since this statement of mine has caused so much controversy, here is the explanation for why you shouldn't eat fish oil:
First of all, there is no absolute empirical evidence that the so-called EFAs are truly essential. Humans have been known to survive on diets that are close to zero on EFAs for years. Case in point: many people who surivie on junk food that are close to zero on linoleic and alpha-linolenic acid for years and, even though they become obese, they show no signs of serious EFA deficiencies such as encephalo-atrophy.
Secondly, even if you need the EFAs, the body's needs are very, very, very small and it can make both linoleic as well as alpha-linolenic acids from oleic acid - which means they are not essential -, which is present in small amounts in many leafy and cruciferous vegetables. So if your diet is rich in vegetables, there is no need for EFAs in the diet.
Thirdly, fish oil is extremely rancid. Whatever benefits you get from eating fish oil is offset by the increased infllammatory response, need for vitamin E and increased oxidative stress you get from eating fish oil. Eating lots of polynsaturated fats, like those found in fish oil, increase the markers of oxidative stress like hydrogen peroxide and superoxide anion. Eating the raw fat of fish that has just been taken of the ocean is one thing, but eating the rancid fat of fish that has been caught months ago and exposed to Oxygen for months is very bad for you. In conclusion: you should not eat fish oil. I hope I have clarified the issue for you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Now this is alarming.
Everything I've read until now suggests that fish oils promote ANTI-inflammatory properties.
Is this due to its post-processing nature?
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Now this is alarming.
Everything I've read until now suggests that fish oils promote ANTI-inflammatory properties.
Is this due to its post-processing nature?
No, due to it's exposure to Oxygen. Polynsaturated fats like alpha-linolenic acid becomes electrically unstable(requiring electrons) once exposed to Oxygen and tries to become stable again, and it does that be stealing electrons from your cells. Thus, increased cell damage which results in inflammation and cell death(necrosis). But you are right: fresh polynsaturated fats are anti-inflammatory, unlike saturated fats which are terrible even fresh.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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sucky, you are saying taking fish oil capsules are a waste of money? SOme of us have taken it for years and it isn't cheap. :-\
Can you share where you got info on this (was it a webpage?)..or if you are a researcher or something?
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No, due to it's exposure to Oxygen. Polynsaturated fats like alpha-linolenic acid becomes electrically unstable(requiring electrons) once exposed to Oxygen and tries to become stable again, and it does that be stealing electrons from your cells. Thus, increased cell damage which results in inflammation and cell death(necrosis). But you are right: fresh polynsaturated fats are anti-inflammatory, unlike saturated fats which are terrible even fresh.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Does that pertain to all polyunsaturated fats?
I ask because there are demonstrated clinical differences between the effects of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and vegetable-based alpha-linolenic acid.
The Department of Medicine’s Cardiology Division at the University of Maryland-Baltimore conducted a pathology experiment to compare the effects of omega-3 and ALA on left ventricle remodeling and the anti-inflammatory response in rats.
The ALA subjects experienced negligible effects, while the omega-3 group demonstrated anti-inflammatory properties, decreased arachidonic acid in cardiac membrane phospholipids, and a prevention in left ventricular enlargement.
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Does that pertain to all polyunsaturated fats?
I ask because there are demonstrated clinical differences between the effects of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and vegetable-based alpha-linolenic acid.
The Department of Medicine’s Cardiology Division at the University of Maryland-Baltimore conducted a pathology experiment to compare the effects of omega-3 and ALA on left ventricle remodeling and the anti-inflammatory response in rats.
The ALA subjects experienced negligible effects, while the omega-3 group demonstrated anti-inflammatory properties, decreased arachidonic acid in cardiac membrane phospholipids, and a prevention in left ventricular enlargement.
Alpha-linolenic acid is an omega-3 polynsaturated fatty acid. It is the same thing. I don't think I really understand your query. Can you be clearer? Thanks.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Alpha-linolenic acid is an omega-3 polynsaturated fatty acid. It is the same thing. I don't think I really understand your query. Can you be clearer? Thanks.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sure.
What I’m asking is, do you think there could be a difference in oxidation among different sources of PUFA's?
Here's the study I mentioned that examined the differences between fish vs. plant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19015135
It's a good, short read that got me thinking about the potential differences, being that ALA yielded no benefits while the fish oil did.
And, insofar as the demonstrated benefits, I doubt they conducted the study on a boat, using freshly caught fish as their source.
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So, whats the conclusion to this discussion? That fish caps are not needed on a diet?
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I take krill oil...
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No, due to it's exposure to Oxygen. Polynsaturated fats like alpha-linolenic acid becomes electrically unstable(requiring electrons) once exposed to Oxygen and tries to become stable again, and it does that be stealing electrons from your cells. Thus, increased cell damage which results in inflammation and cell death(necrosis). But you are right: fresh polynsaturated fats are anti-inflammatory, unlike saturated fats which are terrible even fresh.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Why is this even part of the discussion? The question was about fish oil - EPA & DHA. NOT ALA.
Does that pertain to all polyunsaturated fats?
I ask because there are demonstrated clinical differences between the effects of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and vegetable-based alpha-linolenic acid.
The Department of Medicine’s Cardiology Division at the University of Maryland-Baltimore conducted a pathology experiment to compare the effects of omega-3 and ALA on left ventricle remodeling and the anti-inflammatory response in rats.
The ALA subjects experienced negligible effects, while the omega-3 group demonstrated anti-inflammatory properties, decreased arachidonic acid in cardiac membrane phospholipids, and a prevention in left ventricular enlargement.
QFT
Alpha-linolenic acid is an omega-3 polynsaturated fatty acid. It is the same thing. I don't think I really understand your query. Can you be clearer? Thanks.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What does that have to do with EPA & DHA? Just because it's "an omega-3" doesn't mean it's created equal. ALA is not in fish oil.
So, whats the conclusion to this discussion? That fish caps are not needed on a diet?
Draw your own conclusions. With the dozens of scientific studies out there showing the efficacy of fish oil (the fact that big pharma wanted a piece says something), evidence that it reduces inflamation, cholesterol, heart disease risk, sudden heart attack risk, beneficial for rheumatoid arthritis, and multiple neurological conditions, the answer should be clear ;)
~BTW, this topic has NUMEROUS threads here over the years.
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the answer should be clear
It is.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fish oil is a potent anti-inflammatory, the literature speaks for itself. Claiming something increases need for anti-oxidants and therefore is bad is not a valid argument, inflammation is much more complex then that and proper nutrition would rectify the problem.
all kinds of healthy things create free radicals, overloaded anti-oxidants can alter the redox pathways towards increased oxidation. Since actually knowing your status is pretty impossible i would err on the side of the data. With respect to cardiovascular health fish oils provide benefits not seen with even medications in terms of prevention and reducing all cause mortality and post ischemic recovery.
i would ask anyone to provide data to back there points not some ill defined concepts that are not supported by the literature. The level of acceptable evidence on this board seems to be lacking lately, im not attacking anyone, im just saying we should be a bit more inquisitive.
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4 grams minimum
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Fish oil is quite beneficiary for us in our routine life,I use 2-4 Tablespoons per day with great results.
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Fish oil is quite beneficiary for us in our routine life,I use 2-4 Tablespoons per day with great results.
really appreciate you resurrecting all of these old threads... ::)
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A reminder what a jackass suckmymuscle was.
First warning, I only give out ten.
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WW is right about this. They say the oils are helpful, but are they testing bottled oils or fresh fish oils? They point to eskimos and such in studies but they aren't eating processed oils in caps that have been bottled. They eat fresh fatty fish.
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I've started taking cod liver oil instead of regular fish oil with the epa dha ratio of 180/120.
I read somewhere that it's actually better for ya but I can't to seem to remember why...wait maybe this shit ain't working :-\ lol.
First warning, I only give out ten.
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I've started taking cod liver oil instead of regular fish oil with the epa dha ratio of 180/120.
I read somewhere that it's actually better for ya but I can't to seem to remember why...wait maybe this shit ain't working :-\ lol.
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High in vitamin A & D ~ good for winter or if you don't get much sun.
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8-10 grams daily is most affective.
I use 8.
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I only give out ten.
lol
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I hope no one is buying into the latest study on fish oil not being heart healthy.