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Title: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 12:16:37 PM
I mentioned in another thread that I was interested in offering my insight to those of you who are interested.  Please think of this as a GH15 alternative.  Since he's just talking about what he knows best, drugs, I would like to give some perspective on how to be successful without them.

Please note, any rude or disrespectful comments will be reported.  Let's all try and be civil, and not bash any other members for posting here.

Commence.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: SmallPole on January 07, 2012, 12:31:24 PM
if you know so much about training for naturals, why aren't you even close to Ronnie Coleman?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
Pat Banya,

Whats your workout routine?

How much can you bench?

Thanks.

My workout routine can be found here: http://www.cutandjacked.com/patbanya-interview it's also available in a PDF file on the same page.

I'm not very strong, and I typically work out with my body weight.  I don't make it a habit to do a max repetition on any of my lifts.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 12:33:02 PM
if you know so much about training for naturals, why aren't you even close to Ronnie Coleman?

He has better genetics than me.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: QuakerOats on January 07, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
He has better genetics than me.
i dont know about that, i seriously doubt he was as big as you totally lifetime natural.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: maxkane69 on January 07, 2012, 12:36:40 PM
Questions:
1-how often a bodypart has to be trained by a natural bodybuilder?
2-how many set and repetition for each bodypart are requaired by a natural bodybuilder?
3-how many protein,carbs,fat and calorie are requaired by a natural bodybuilder for gaining mass(offseason)?
4-how many protein,carbs,fat and calorie are requaired by a natural bodybuilder for definition(contest phase)?
5-how much cardio is requaired by natural bodybuilder in contest in offseason and contest phase?
6-how many meals are requaired in a day by natural bodybuilder in offseason phase and contest phase?
7-are supplements needed by a natural bodybuilder?
8-if you answer yes,please tell me what supplement do you raccomend and what dosage?
Thank you in advance for your answer Mr. Pat Banya!!!


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 12:41:57 PM
i dont know about that, i seriously doubt he was as big as you totally lifetime natural.

My contest weight at the 2010 NPC Tea Universe was 196lbs; light heavyweight.  I didn't win my weight class; I came in 4th.

When he competed at and won 1st place at the 1991 World Amateur Championships he was a heavyweight.  That contest requires drug testing.  

Regardless of what people may speculate that he has done to get bigger later in his career, after meeting him in person on several occasions, I can honestly say I don't have his frame.  My structure is similar, but he's also taller than me.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 01:13:56 PM
Questions:
1-how often a bodypart has to be trained by a natural bodybuilder?
2-how many set and repetition for each bodypart are requaired by a natural bodybuilder?
3-how many protein,carbs,fat and calorie are requaired by a natural bodybuilder for gaining mass(offseason)?
4-how many protein,carbs,fat and calorie are requaired by a natural bodybuilder for definition(contest phase)?
5-how much cardio is requaired by natural bodybuilder in contest in offseason and contest phase?
6-how many meals are requaired in a day by natural bodybuilder in offseason phase and contest phase?
7-are supplements needed by a natural bodybuilder?
8-if you answer yes,please tell me what supplement do you raccomend and what dosage?
Thank you in advance for your answer Mr. Pat Banya!!!


1.  I train everything once a week.  It's in my workout routine which can be found here: http://www.cutandjacked.com/patbanya-interview

2.  3-4 sets, 10-12 repetitions have always provided excellent results for me.  Since we're talking hypertrophy, you don't want to go too low.  Use my tips as a guide, and experiment with sets and reps and find what works for you.

3.  Double your pre-contest contest intake at the minimum.  If you don't compete and have never been on a pre-contest diet, try to increase your diet by 500 calorie increments.  Divide the proteins and carbs into equal gram portions (round it to 60grams since 62.5 is a funny number); try to eat 100 extra calories with each meal you are consuming.

4.  Approximately half of your off season intake.  Protein is more important than carbs if you want to come in shredded, and still maintain as much muscle mass as possible.  I have had best success with a 2:1 protein to carb ratio.  I consume 2grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Experiment, but I still still think 1.5grams is minimum if you go on a low carb diet.

5.  I don't do any cardio in either phases.  I try to stick to a very clean diet year round.  Depending on your body type and metabolism, you might not either.  The only times I have incorporated cardio is when I needed to make my weight class for a contest.

6.  The number of meals depends on your overall intake and appetite.  For instance, if you're consuming 3000 calories, split it evenly over the course of each meal.  Try to eat more carbs earlier in the day, and less at night if you want to stay leaner.

7.  Depending on what your goals and caloric requirements are, and how you intend to consume them, yes.

8.  I suggest supplements that provide calories, and are derived from food.  The supplements I like to use are:  Whey protein, protein bars, meal replacement powders/ bars, and multivitamins.  Those should provide everything you need allow you to consume more or less of certain macro and micro nutrients.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 01:23:57 PM
So what is your plan going forward to the Natural Championships? Are you pumped to get your pro card and compete against other warriors in the heat of battle on stage  :)

I'll most likely retire from competition or just bounce around in the 212's or whatever smaller weight class division is in existence.  I have no delusion of winning at the IFBB level so I'll just do it for myself.  Since, like you all, I'm also a fan, I enjoy interacting with the guys I read about on the boards.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Voland on January 07, 2012, 01:28:23 PM
Pat, as a natural athlete. What do you use as a sleep aid to make sure you get the most out of the recovery and natural night gh spike?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Raymondo on January 07, 2012, 01:29:29 PM
Pat, as a natural athlete. What do you use as a sleep aid to make sure you get the most out of the recovery and natural night gh spike?

melatonin is good for that, a few grams of glutamine before bed also


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
melatonin is good for that, a few grams of glutamine before bed also

This is a great answer.  Personally, I just try to go to bed earlier or workout at night since it makes me feel exhausted.  But it all just comes down to scheduling and how well you can adhere to it.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: nzmusclemonster on January 07, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Pat, how many years did you juice before you turned "natural"?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 02:42:21 PM
Pat, how many years did you juice before you turned "natural"?

I'm only humoring you because we're both naturals.  I never have.  My before pictures show where I started.  I don't look big in clothes, I never have.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: nzmusclemonster on January 07, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
I'm only humoring you because we're both naturals.  I never have.  My before pictures show where I started.  I don't look big in clothes, I never have.

Well then clearly you have the greatest bodybuilding genetics of all time. You wouldn't even have to juice that much to become Mr Olympia and a multi millionaire..... yet you choose to stay natural.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 03:02:07 PM
Well then clearly you have the greatest bodybuilding genetics of all time. You wouldn't even have to juice that much to become Mr Olympia and a multi millionaire..... yet you choose to stay natural.

I don't think that first part is accurate.  I have good genetics, but not the best.  I'm very real about all my flaws, and I have a many.  I didn't get into bodybuilding to make money.  I know how things work, and the type of opportunities that are available.  

What I wanted was to look my best and see what I could achieve and how far I could go naturally.  I think, so far, I've done a decent job of that.  Taking "stuff" doesn't guarantee an Olympia title.  If that were the case, several hall of fame bodybuilders from the 90's would have had at least one.  I'm not willing to risk my health, in any capacity, by taking drugs.

It's just a personal thing.  I don't think less of anyone else who does things differently.  Life is about choices, and I've made mine on this issue.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Krankenstein on January 07, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
I'll most likely retire from competition or just bounce around in the 212's or whatever smaller weight class division is in existence.  I have no delusion of winning at the IFBB level so I'll just do it for myself.  Since, like you all, I'm also a fan, I enjoy interacting with the guys I read about on the boards.

So tell everyone why it is that you dont jump to the WNBF and compete there as a pro and potentially win money?  Thats the most amazing thing to me when these guys who shove their 'natural' status down everyones throat and constantly compete in the Team U.  You arent going anywhere if you win the show, and you aren't getting 'exposure' by not winning it.

Serious question....serious answer please....Oh, and just an fyi...I did compete in WNBF.  As a natural for as long as I was...I would say that you are in no way natural.  My opinion...


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
So tell everyone why it is that you dont jump to the WNBF and compete there as a pro and potentially win money?  Thats the most amazing thing to me when these guys who shove their 'natural' status down everyones throat and constantly compete in the Team U.  You arent going anywhere if you win the show, and you aren't getting 'exposure' by not winning it.

Serious question....serious answer please....Oh, and just an fyi...I did compete in WNBF.  As a natural for as long as I was...I would say that you are in no way natural.  My opinion...

Competitive bodybuilding is and always will be about what each individual wants to accomplish.  I talk about that throughout my blog.  I say, in detail, how I used to believe what I read on the boards and I wanted to see the truth with my own eyes.

Since I was 16 years old, I have been getting drug allegations.  I've never been much to look at tbh.  However, I have a build that is well suited for competitive bodybuilding.  That's why I started competing, in 2009, after 10 years of serious lifting.  All of this is stated in my blog.

The WNBF is great.  As are the IFPA, PNBA, SNBF, etc.  There's SO many different federations out there, and they all have different contest formats.  Some allow you to use props during posing routines, and some don't.  I like the way the NPC and IFBB does things.  I think it exemplifies bodybuilding as a sport and not just a "show."

Prize money is great when it's available.  But let's be realistic, depending on how you look at things (if you factor hotel, travel costs, and anything unexpected) the WNBF prize money isn't going to make much of an impact in anyone's income.  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Dave Goodin hold the record for winning the most prize money in the history of their organization over the course of one year?  This was the case several years ago, but someone might have surpassed that in recent history.  That amount was around, $10,000 for X amount of shows.

Also, many organizations try to prohibit their top athletes from competing anywhere else and offer nothing in exchange for their loyalty.  And, since winning prize money is never guaranteed you're basically letting them exploit you in exchange for nothing.

At least in the NPC/ IFBB you get to be in magazines that people actually read/ know about, and have historical significance.  NPC News, Flex, MD, everyone knows about these publications; even the top natural bodybuilders follow them.  I have been fortunate enough to be in several of these magazines, and I was thrilled!  That was/is one of my goals.

The truth is, if every single natural had the genetics, and the determination to build a national level or IFBB worthy physique they would compete at that level.  Unfortunately, that isn't the case.  People should compete in the organization that coincides with their goals and best suits their physique.

If you get into this sport solely to make lots of "prize money,"  you'll be sorely disappointed.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: chaos on January 07, 2012, 05:24:40 PM
OK Patty......
What kind of poundage do you use during your workouts? Not max weight, but your normal weights that you use for lifting, lets say bench, squat and deadlift for reps.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 05:35:08 PM
OK Patty......
What kind of poundage do you use during your workouts? Not max weight, but your normal weights that you use for lifting, lets say bench, squat and deadlift for reps.

I don't think any of my lifts would impress anyone on here who isn't a complete newbie.  I can do reps with 495 on squats and dead lifts, but I'm not setting any records.  

I haven't maxed out since my early 20's.  At the time I thought my lifts were pretty good, but since that's in the past, I don't talk about.  When I was younger, my heaviest off season weight 265.  Back then, I was a "little" stronger, and actually looked big in clothes.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: chaos on January 07, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
I don't think any of my lifts would impress anyone on here who isn't a complete newbie.  I can do reps with 495 on squats and dead lifts, but I'm not setting any records.  

Aren't you like 200#'s?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 05:42:59 PM
Aren't you like 200#'s?

On my diet, it's hard for me to get above 220 off season these days.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: chaos on January 07, 2012, 05:48:42 PM
On my diet, it's hard for me to get above 220 off season days.
And you're repping 495 on squats and deads. LOL.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 05:52:02 PM
And you're repping 495 on squats and deads. LOL.

Like I said, I'm not very strong.  Do you have to make fun of me for everything?  Geeze.  Still luv ya though, no worries mate! :)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Hulkotron on January 07, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Pat what do you mean by "repping" exactly?  How many reps?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
Pat what do you mean by "repping" exactly?  How many reps?

Oh lawd!  ;D

More than one.  If I ever get the guts to put my puny butt on camera, I'll show you. :)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Hulkotron on January 07, 2012, 05:55:59 PM
Oh lawd!  ;D

More than one.  If I ever get the guts to put my puny butt on camera, I'll show you. :)

Why is the question so hard for you to answer?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: che on January 07, 2012, 06:03:02 PM
Like I said, I'm not very strong.  
Don't you have to be strong to be a powerlifter  ???


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 06:05:14 PM
Don't you have to be strong to be a powerlifter  ???

I don't compete in that sport.  But, I combine certain elements of it into my training.  It's the only way to fly!


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: che on January 07, 2012, 06:07:46 PM
 I can do reps with 495 on squats and dead lifts, but I'm not setting any records.  


Is this your twin brother ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmWgZP9_kxs


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 06:09:40 PM
Is this your twin brother ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmWgZP9_kxs

The smith machine is a joke!  I wasn't even really training legs that day.  My friend had a new camera phone and wanted to test it out.  Those aren't even full reps.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: StanZoLOL on January 07, 2012, 06:16:48 PM
Is this your twin brother ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmWgZP9_kxs

shittiest reps ever.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 07, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
shittiest reps ever.

My thoughts exactly; read the above.  But, people still want to give me a hard time.  Oh well.  ::)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: johnnynoname on January 07, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
I don't know why everyone is calling this guy a liar about being natural


I believe he is natural and can have that sort of size and conditioning without drugs




I mean- the guy is black



Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: littleguns on January 08, 2012, 07:54:38 AM
Pat, if you are in fact Natural I give you credit for doing the Team Universe which is no longer a "steroid free show".

Ur best bet is to take this to another section of GB OR just walk away.....


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 08:31:59 AM
Pat, if you are in fact Natural I give you credit for doing the Team Universe which is no longer a "steroid free show".

Thank you.  But, I believe most (if not all) of the other competitors are also natural.  Still, your post is nice to hear.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: oliolioli on January 08, 2012, 08:41:37 AM
Hi Pat, great physique.  I'm also a natural bodybuilder, just wondering what you thought about creatine and whether or not it makes a large enough difference to use on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Hi Pat, great physique.  I'm also a natural bodybuilder, just wondering what you thought about creatine and whether or not it makes a large enough difference to use on a regular basis.

IMO, it's not necessary.  I haven't used it before, so I can't tell you if it really works as well as people say it does.  Diet goes a long way, and has more to do with it than any type of supplements.  That said, I believe protein and multi-vitamin supplements can make a difference, but only because they allow you to consume certain micro and macro nutrients without all the extra calories.  

I hope this helps.  I wish there were more questions like these being posted.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: oliolioli on January 08, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply and honest answer.  What supplements do you recommend then?  Protein powders, NO Explode, celltech, that sort of stuff?  Also what do you think of Humapro, it's supposed to be better since it was designed for human consumption whereas milk is obviously not meant for humans.  I want to get every edge possible but obviously don't want to use drugs.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply and honest answer.  What supplements do you recommend then?  Protein powders, NO Explode, celltech, that sort of stuff?  Also what do you think of Humapro, it's supposed to be better since it was designed for human consumption whereas milk is obviously not meant for humans.  I want to get every edge possible but obviously don't want to use drugs.  Thanks.

I won't plug any companies but: standard whey protein powder (concentrate), meal replacement powders (whey + carbs and vitamins), protein bars and MRP bars.  Also try and find a cost effective vitamin; don't purchase anything fancy or overpriced.

Don't know about Humapro, bro, sorry.  The supplement industry is always changing and I can't always keep up with it.  But, I know these, that I've mentioned, work.

Good luck, and be sure to remember the "little people" on your way to success.  I'm kidding about that last part, but you can really go as far as you want with the right mindset.

Edit.  Also, whey protein isolate is great if you have issues with lactose.  I have that problem myself.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: oliolioli on January 08, 2012, 09:23:34 AM
oliolioli, I never saw this coming.  You sounded so genuine in your comments.  No hard feelings, and good luck with your approach.

What do you think of a weekly 5 day split as opposed to doing some sort of a push pull split?  I'm thinking Mon-push, Tues-pull, wed-rest, and then repeat, I'm afraid 2 days may not be enough rest time, what do you think?  Of course this is an issue for us naturals, since recovery is not aided.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
What do you think of a weekly 5 day split as opposed to doing some sort of a push pull split?  I'm thinking Mon-push, Tues-pull, wed-rest, and then repeat, I'm afraid 2 days may not be enough rest time, what do you think?  Of course this is an issue for us naturals, since recovery is not aided.

Hopefully, you won't embarrass me again.  I think it sounds like a good idea.  Different people respond better to certain types of workouts.  The only way to know for sure is to do this training for a while.  I like to do each body part once a week, it's what works for me.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: noc on January 08, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
Hey Pat, great physique man - ignore the bitter haters.

Question, I was reading an interview where you stated you consume 6 cans of tuna a day, is this accurate?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 10:21:07 AM
Hey Pat, great physique man - ignore the bitter haters.

Question, I was reading an interview where you stated you consume 6 cans of tuna a day, is this accurate?

Thanks.  Sometimes more, but yes.  2 at a time to be specific.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: haider on January 08, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
Did u take M1t when it was allowed in natural orgs? if so, what did u switch to afterward? If not, what supplemeny did u prefer?

Thanks, keep up the all natural hardwork.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
Did u take M1t when it was allowed in natural orgs?

Thanks, keep up the all natural hardwork.

No, sir.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: haider on January 08, 2012, 10:49:39 AM
No, sir.
Do u feel prohormones are a good asset in a natural bbers supplement arsenal?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
Do u feel prohormones are a good asset in a natural bbers supplement arsenal?

No, sir.  Honestly, it's best to keep it simple and stay as natural as possible.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: chaos on January 08, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
Patty = gh15!!


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 11:00:27 AM
Patty = gh15!!

False.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: haider on January 08, 2012, 11:04:04 AM
Pat banya, can you tell us how long you have been clean?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
Pat banya, can you tell us how long you have been clean?

I'm lifetime natural, there's a difference.  I don't judge any of you guys who choose to do things differently.  Please don't judge me for being dedicated to staying drug free.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: chaos on January 08, 2012, 11:11:10 AM
Patty, what do you consider "drugs"?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
Patty, what do you consider "drugs"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: StuartR on January 08, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Once we hit page 22, can we please get back to the Q&A portion of this thread?  Please, friends?

You haven't answered a single question honestly, so people have understandably moved on to a group discussion format.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
You haven't answered a single question honestly, so people have understandably moved on to a group discussion format.

You don't want to believe the truth mate.  There's no convincing someone who already has their mind made up.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
So, you came to Getbig for Friends? Are you fuckin serious?  ::) ::)

In a way, yes.  I visit the forums so I can talk to people with a common interest and share my own personal insights and experiences.  It's okay to be a little skeptical, at times, but if you're  like that all the time, you'll never grow or learn anything.  Natural bodybuilding is much more capable of holding it's own to the enhanced version.  I'm proof of that!


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: mesmorph78 on January 08, 2012, 03:45:24 PM
In a way, yes.  I visit the forums so I can talk to people with a common interest and share my own personal insights and experiences.  It's okay to be a little skeptical, at times, but if you're  like that all the time, you'll never grow or learn anything.  Natural bodybuilding is much more capable of holding it's own to the enhanced version.  I'm proof of that!
good physique.... partitculary upper back... and arms


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: randy841 on January 08, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Natural bodybuilding is much more capable of holding it's own to the enhanced version.  I'm proof of that!

You squat and deadlift 495lb for reps. Bench about 400?

Your lifting numbers for a sub 200lb natural are top noche. Are you kidding anyone by downplaying them?

You have a six pack and physique most aspire to, albeit a little thickening and widening of the midsection due to long term use of HGH.

Natural?  ;D

Natural bodybuilding?

There is no such thing Tony Robbins. You can make a better motivational speaker to the underprivileged poor kids and the stupid, than try to make your claims openly here to experienced juicers thinking they lack cerebral matter.

I got friends competing at every which level - so called natural bodybuilding and powerlifting organizations. To them juicing comes naturally as the heart beating 83 beats a minute. The ones willing to talk openly admit what and when they use to train and prepare for competitions.

To those claiming his genetics are superior, because he's black. Take a dose of the reality pill. 400 years of forced servitude and 1000s of years of evolution doesn't lend him that credibility.

Bro, if you came across as a more sincere and humble person in the way of doing things and really wanting to share your knowledge and insight, instead of claiming natural -- you would be much more respected. I have been in and out of the gym for nearly 15 years, when your "type" make  natural claims - people call it like it is. I have done this so many times face to face, it's almost natural as breathing.

By the way, the "naturals" usually smile and walk away when push comes to shove. You know we're not all that naive here.  :o


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Karpaasi on January 08, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
I think we all have met one point in time guy like Pat. I meet this guy in the gym time to time who I call "champion". This guy is 57 years old, has 20.5 inch guns and weighs about 245(5'10). What is similar to Pat he's christian and offcourse you guessed it -  lifetime natural. It's amazing how advanced he is.

Like Pat he's also very gentleman-like and that's offcourse helps him to deal with the accusations of others(real life isn't like getbig so being nice helps :D ). He said to me jokingly "man I hate these wispers I get. Wispers of me using something". I thought "well there's no expert who would believe you. Even for a user you would be extremely advanced for your age"

So I said. "Champ I've always believed that you're natural. No matter what others say"

Beautiful story. :)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
I think we all have met one point in time guy like Pat. I meet this guy in the gym time to time who I call "champion". This guy is 57 years old, has 20.5 inch guns and weighs about 245(5'10). What is similar to Pat he's christian and offcourse you guessed it -  lifetime natural. It's amazing how advanced he is.

Like Pat he's also very gentleman-like and that's offcourse helps him to deal with the accusations of others(real life isn't like getbig so being nice helps :D ). He said to me jokingly "man I hate these wispers I get. Wispers of me using something". I thought "well there's no expert who would believe you. Even for a user you would be extremely advanced for your age"

So I said. "Champ I've always believed that you're natural. No matter what others say"

Beautiful story. :)

Thanks for sharing this.  I have a friend that calls me the same thing.  Whatever his reasons, it makes me feel great.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 09:10:09 PM
Natural?  ;D

Natural bodybuilding?

Bro, if you came across as a more sincere and humble person in the way of doing things and really wanting to share your knowledge and insight, instead of claiming natural -- you would be much more respected. I have been in and out of the gym for nearly 15 years, when your "type" make  natural claims - people call it like it is. I have done this so many times face to face, it's almost natural as breathing.

By the way, the "naturals" usually smile and walk away when push comes to shove. You know we're not all that naive here.  :o

Nice post, but you're misinformed.  Those 15 years haven't been spent trying to develop a pro physique.  If they were, you would think differently.  In all honesty, I'm as sincere as they come.  And, I try my best to be humble, but sometimes I like to joke around a bit.  However, I don't feel the need to brag around you guys, because we get along so well, and you guys get it.  Let's try to unify this sport, not separate it.  

I'm doing everything in my power to share my knowledge of natural bodybuilding with you.  That's the whole reason behind this thread.  You guys are so deluded into thinking that you have to take "stuff."  That isn't the case for everybody; if you have the right genetics you can look something like a pro with many years of hard work and dedication.  Eating, training, and sleeping, it's truly a lifestyle that you have to adhere to 24/7.

There's more than one way to bodybuild.  Drugs aren't necessary if you want to be your best.  You only need them to become the best.  I will never be the best.  I'm fine with that, and can live with my choice.  I respect you, and you respect me, it's that simple.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Doug_Steele on January 08, 2012, 10:45:50 PM
Does Pat Banya use this shit?

(http://www.nutritionexpress.com/images/products/M4/M4-00735-X500.gif)



Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 08, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Does Pat Banya use this shit?

(http://www.nutritionexpress.com/images/products/M4/M4-00735-X500.gif)



No, I think it's overpriced.  Standard whey has worked for me.  I'm not going to plug any companies, but try to find something cost effective.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: oliolioli on January 09, 2012, 10:18:40 AM
Pat's a decent guy, he PM'd me saying "no hard feelings - good luck with your future endeavors" or some shit like that.  After I trashed him he had the decency to be nice to me, he must be a natural athlete.  I believe him now.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: haider on January 09, 2012, 10:38:12 AM
How easy is it to cheat a drug test?  ???

He could prove himself if getbiggers can set up a fund for him to get tested by an independent lab?

Which one of us bitches is willing to put their money where their mouth is?  8)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 10, 2012, 12:29:52 AM
Patbanya we are coming for u bud. You think this is a game but we don't like filth like you at all here on thunder dome. Take your pony act to bodybuilding.com this is your warning. We are going to expose you now that the Kigtropin issue is taken care of. You think there are no consequences but lying on the thunder some in this fashion, but there are members from steroid section who feel like you have to pay now.

Come clean NOW. This is your last warning. You have no clue pat banya, no fucking clue what you are about to start if you don't come clean and I am not talking about the Internet.
who the fuck are you to talk about "we" with 200 posts?

where do these morons come from?


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: johnnynoname on January 11, 2012, 05:32:49 PM
Whats the good reason ???

I didn't want to give pat the heads up that there is a fake twitter based on him so he could tell twitter to take it down


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: johnnynoname on January 11, 2012, 05:33:45 PM
also, the Ronfather wouldn't be fond of it either methinks


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 13, 2012, 12:13:28 AM
Someone just emailed these to me.  The strange thing was, when I checked my page, all of these comments had been cleared.  I think facebook is now monitoring the people who make comments on my page after I reported the fake pages that were being created.  

(http://i.imgur.com/WUI0D.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GWZqg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/efT7V.jpg)

It feels good to know that some of you actually believe that I am a lifetime natural bodybuilder, and you support the positive message that I'm a trying to spread.  I knew that this place wasn't as bad as they say it was!  

During the week, I really am busy with work, and I can't post or reply to PMs.  But I will not be leaving you guys anytime soon.  On either Saturday or Sunday night I'll address this entire thread as a whole, so please look forward to my next post.  It will address everything that is on my mind after I finish reading the pages that came after my last post on page 26.  For now, I bid you farewell.  Cheers! :)


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: berblexer on January 13, 2012, 01:06:03 AM
LMAO, nice going JNN.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: PJim on January 13, 2012, 04:36:20 AM
LMAO, nice going JNN.

Lol. He's a credit to the website, no doubt.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: patbanya on January 15, 2012, 12:40:41 AM
Friends,

As you all know, I only just recently started posting here.  My intention for requesting an account was to share my experiences as a lifetime natural competitive bodybuilder.  Although my competition experience is very limited, I have been an overall champion in 4 out of 5 contests.

2010 NPC Team Universe Championships Open Men's Light-Heavy Weight 4th Place.
2010 Musclemania Universe Professional Champion.
2010 Musclemania Capital Tournament of Champions Open Men's Overall Champion.
2009 NPC Lenda Murray Championships Open Men's Overall Champion.
2009 NPC East Coast Classic Novice Men's Overall Champion.

Because of this, I thought that I would be respected and could provide some valuable insight into what is required to compete at that level.  Over my many years of following the sport, it has come to my attention that there is a long held misconception in competitive bodybuilding.  This 'myth' is that the only way to be successful in bodybuilding (competitive or otherwise) is to take steroids or other hormonal enhancements.  It is one that both the fans and people who know nothing about the sport seem to accept as fact.

By truly being the genuine item, a lifetime natural, my success has shown that this is not true.  For some people, taking the natural approach is a very hard pill to swallow.  The results may not come as quickly and the gains might not look as impressive as the enhanced variety.  But, if you are willing to stick with it for a very long time, it can be very rewarding.  Furthermore, I do not understand why natural athletes are looked down upon so frequently within our subculture/ community.  Bodybuilding is not a mainstream sport, and we should be willing to support it in all it's incarnations.

My intention is not to come across as overly proud or self righteous.  My beliefs and approach to bodybuilding, has been rooted into the core of my being after thirteen years of recreational involvement.  For me, the risks involved with taking drugs (steroids) are not worth it.  The high likelihood of issues like high blood pressure, heart disease, and impotence [Google.com] far outweigh any perceived benefit that can be attained from taking them.  Please bear in mind, as I am saying this, I am in no way looking down on anyone else.  If it is your prerogative to use drugs, then that is your business.  I just don't want to know anything about it.

I will not be deleting my account, but I will no longer be posting in this particular thread because of the derogatory comments you have made about several of my friends.  I do not want to repeat any of those statements or phrases because they were very rude and hurtful.  The people who know me in real life, and support my ambition are not a part of this discussion.  By posting their pictures and making negative comments about them you are crossing the line.

For me, being ridiculed is nothing new.  This is something which I have had to deal with for pretty much my entire life.  In my blog (http://patbanya.blogspot.com/), I talk about the insecurities I had growing up because I have a very unique name.  I also talk about being clumsy and terrible at sports.  I am by no stretch of the imagination, a "perfect" human being.  If you have seen some of my early posing routines which are on my youtube channel (http://www.you.com/patbanya) you will see I am far from perfect.

My use of that word in some of my videos is in homage to personalities like the now deceased WWF wrestler Curt Hennig, aka Mr. Perfect.  As a child, I was a fan of his personality and in the ring antics.  I felt that by adopting that moniker, my videos would get more views and I would develop something of a following. 

I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this entire thread, this post, and making comments.  Even though not everything that has been said here is very positive, I have a feeling that the majority of them were just jokes.  I do not take anything personally and I am not holding a grudge against any of you.  You guys are great, and I really do consider you my Getbig.com friends.

I will continue to log on to answer any personal messages you might send my way.  Remember, I am the natural alternative to GH15.  So there are plenty of things that I won't know anything about or be able to help you with.  But, if you are interested in following my example, I have a feeling that any one of you could achieve great success in natural bodybuilding.  Good luck to you all and please continue to do what you do best here at the Getbig.com forums.  In my mind, you have earned your distinction as, the "Thunderdome." :)

P.S.

Ron (Forum Owner and Moderator),

Thank you for honoring my request by monitoring this thread.  I have a feeling, if it were not for your help and intervention, things could have been much worse.  You are a great person who I also consider a friend.  In the future, if there is ever an opportunity, I would like to be a contributor to this website.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: csnut18 on January 15, 2012, 02:34:51 AM
If he is natural, then all the power to him. You look great. The problem is that I have personally met a ton of individuals who claimed on their dead grandmother that they were natural yet later on it became known that they were on the sauce, the entire time.


Title: Re: Pat Banya - Natural Bodybuilding Q&A
Post by: che on January 15, 2012, 03:22:40 PM
Maybe he's not lying and he's a lifetime natural for real , and we are a bunch of fucking assholes.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
How easy is it to cheat a drug test?  ???

He could prove himself if getbiggers can set up a fund for him to get tested by an independent lab?

Which one of us bitches is willing to put their money where their mouth is?  8)

Since I'm willing to take the test, without any incentive, I think I should at least have the cost of the test covered by the members who are calling me out.  Come to Springfield, meet me in person and shake my hand if you want to give it to me in person.  Or I can meet you in Washington DC or somewhere close.

I remember that the test was around 300$.
If you take the test, i wish you good luck!
And that certificate will be huge merit to your personal training business.

kyomu, for the record, I don't have a personal training business.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Go fuck yourself.

 :'(
I still don't get the hostility.  I'm not trying to put anyone down or hurt peoples feelings.  I'm sorry If I said something in a previous post that made you guys angry at me.  I really do want to be on good terms with you even if it's just online.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: maxkane69 on January 16, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
:'(
I still don't get the hostility.  I'm not trying to put anyone down or hurt people feelings.  I'm sorry If I said something in a previous post that made you guys angry at me.  I really do want to be on good terms with you even if it's just online.

Do you want to know what is really interesting Mr Pat Banya???
You get the most hate from 2 guy (Kyomu and Che) that claim to be natural too!
I don't know if you,Che or Kyomu are really natural or all 3 of you are on steroid and I am willing to take your words for true just like I take Kyomu and Che for true!
My guess is that Che and Kyomu are invidious of your muscular development because even if you guys are all 3 natural or on steroid you are a better bodybuilder than Che and Kyomu! ;)


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 03:34:17 PM
Do you want to know what is really interesting Mr Pat Banya???
You get the most hate from 2 guy (Kyomu and Che) that claim to be natural too!
I don't know if you,Che or Kyomu are really natural or all 3 of you are on steroid and I am willing to take your words for true just like I take Kyomu and Che for true!
My guess is that Che and Kyomu are invidious of your muscular development because even if you guys are all 3 natural or on steroid you are a better bodybuilder than Che and Kyomou! ;)

My friend, I'm not better than anyone, I'm just trying to be my best.  I actually have self esteem issues and bodybuilding helps me to cope with that.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: maxkane69 on January 16, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
My friend, I'm not better than anyone, I'm just trying to be my best.  I actually have self esteem issues and bodybuilding helps me to cope with that.

Maybe Che and Kyomu have bigger self esteem issues than you!
That will also explain their hate toward you!


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 03:47:01 PM
What would this test prove?


Passing a drug test will prove he's natural?  That's about as useless as just flat out asking him.   Obviously he (and other scum bags) have perfected the art of using short esters so they can pass tests.  


Like I said before, Banya is easily the biggest douche bag on this site.

This is the reason why I can't get any respect.  Not just here, but sometimes IRL.  It's wrong to judge a person only on how they look.  I will pass the test, any test, because I can never fail.  Lifetime naturals can't fail; that's a fact.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: LittleJ on January 16, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
Pat seems like a nice guy.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 05:49:04 PM
Pat seems like a nice guy.

You've been pretty level headed in all this.  Thanks.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: Wolfsanglerune on January 16, 2012, 06:36:40 PM
maybe i missed it but..gh15 has been silent on this matter.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 16, 2012, 06:58:36 PM
maybe i missed it but..gh15 has been silent on this matter.

oddly silent


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 07:17:56 PM
oddly silent

I think GH15 is good at what he does, but you don't need drugs to compete.  And if you model you can choose to shoot art nudes instead of porn.  Bodybuilding is like anything else in life.  There's lots of options and choices at your disposal.


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: chaos on January 16, 2012, 07:38:35 PM
LOL.  We're not the same person. 
You can't prove that. gh15 will never expose himself, you can deny it until you're blue in the face, but those of us in the know, know you're gh15. ;) ;)


Title: Re: TO MR. PAT BANYA
Post by: patbanya on January 16, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
You can't prove that. gh15 will never expose himself, you can deny it until you're blue in the face, but those of us in the know, know you're gh15. ;) ;)

That's news to me... mate  ;D