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Title: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: whitewidow on December 08, 2012, 02:11:15 AM
Freddie roach made a statement that if manny loses tomorrow he wants him to retire from the sport! I am not sure why manny didn't want to fight Bradley again instead of marquez! I think Freddie realizes that the mayweather/pacquiao fight will never happen! pacquiao/Mayweather would be as big as frazier/ali or Tyson/Holyfield. That would by 3grand ringside easily. Is wayweather really scarred? I find that hard to believe! That would be a huge pay-day for both fighters. I know mayweather wants 60/40 split but other options have been mentioned that would give him 60/40 if he won the fight. loser would take 40% that has been talked about yet he still does not want to fight manny. If Manny wins who else is there to fight besides Bradley again wich manny would win. Mayweather is the only answer. lets see how tomorrow goes.

marquez is using herredia the dirty strength coach who was involvd with balco and ended out going states evidence so they would drop charges. a ex-steroid dealer and a master of designer drugs that will not detect.muscle does not man much in boxing but strength/speed does!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 02:19:02 AM
you seem to be very emotionally invested into this situation


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 08, 2012, 02:21:20 AM
He'll win. Via decision. zzzzzzz


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: whitewidow on December 08, 2012, 02:37:23 AM
you seem to be very emotionally invested into this situation

well I do love boxing! sick of seeing these shitty fights


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 02:41:03 AM
well I do love boxing! sick of seeing these shitty fights

download the old good ones


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2012, 02:47:23 AM
well I do love boxing! sick of seeing these shitty fights

why not plan a WW vs. Pellius fight? 

My money is on Pellius only because he is taller.   :D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: whitewidow on December 08, 2012, 03:29:10 AM
why not plan a WW vs. Pellius fight? 

My money is on Pellius only because he is taller.   :D

LOL. I am down! except I would get charged with abusing the elderly


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Conker on December 08, 2012, 03:52:54 AM
Fighting Marquez is a bigger fight than a Bradley rematch because his fights against Marquez have been close, the Bradley fight he won by a country mile, every pundit worldwide had him winning by 7/8 rounds. One of the most corrupt and embarrassing decisions in boxing history.

They said on news here(UK) yesterday that negotiations had reopened for for the Pac/FMJ , Pac was shown saying he had agreed to take a lower cut in the purse and to Mayweather's blood test demands.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Tito24 on December 08, 2012, 03:56:03 AM
never heard of these guys


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2012, 03:57:07 AM
never heard of these guys

They don't post here


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 04:23:55 AM
They said on news here(UK) yesterday that negotiations had reopened for for the Pac/FMJ , Pac was shown saying he had agreed to take a lower cut in the purse and to Mayweather's blood
This has nothing to do with a drug test, it has to do with the erosion of Manny's skills, especially he ability to produce a knockout, which he couldn't do against Bradley.  That's what FMW looks test demands.
at, why he sat on the curve for 4 years or so before he took the Cotto fight.  Cotto's body shot disappeared after the Marg brick laying and Manny beating, so FMW jumped in the ring and coasted to UD.  A drugged up Marquez will drop a split but he won't get knocked out.  Manny will get the split every time for effective aggression against Marquez, since Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW type counter-puncher.  

Oh, watch Berto's last and see how not to do the shoulder roll. But that fight was also marred by a horrible official, who turned it into an one-sided affair.  It was like he was on the take.  People in boxing have no shame.  

FMW will completely dismantle Manny somewhere at the end of 2013, would have had problems with him, if he had taken a fight when Manny was at the top of his game around the Greg Haugen KO.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: d0nny2600 on December 08, 2012, 04:57:04 AM
never heard of these guys
They are tiny tits and ride bikes with seats on them


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 05:21:24 AM
since Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW type counter-puncher.  

Holy fuck you are a retard , FMW and Marquez  counter punching style are completely different .

Marquez = one of the best counter-punchers in the history of boxing.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Conker on December 08, 2012, 06:28:36 AM
at, why he sat on the curve for 4 years or so before he took the Cotto fight.  Cotto's body shot disappeared after the Marg brick laying and Manny beating, so FMW jumped in the ring and coasted to UD.  A drugged up Marquez will drop a split but he won't get knocked out.  Manny will get the split every time for effective aggression against Marquez, since Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW type counter-puncher.  

Oh, watch Berto's last and see how not to do the shoulder roll. But that fight was also marred by a horrible official, who turned it into an one-sided affair.  It was like he was on the take.  People in boxing have no shame.  

FMW will completely dismantle Manny somewhere at the end of 2013, would have had problems with him, if he had taken a fight when Manny was at the top of his game around the Greg Haugen KO.


I agree with some of that, Mayweather is a fraud, look at the level of opponent he was fighting when Pac was having wars with in their prime legends like Barrera and Morales.

Mayweather has been very cleverly managed, his opponents have been hand picked at the right time in their careers for Mayweather to fight.If Mayweather wasn't such a fraud they could have already fought 2 or 3 times before now.



Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 08, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
Holy fuck you are a retard

what's next? an observation that the sun rises in the east?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Andy Griffin on December 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
They don't post here

Do they even lift?

Both still wider than Heath.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Holy fuck you are a retard , FMW and Marquez  counter punching style are completely different .

Marquez = one of the best counter-punchers in the history of boxing.

a counter puncher is a counter puncher.  don't give me bullshit semantics. of course, styles will slightly vary, because no two people are alike  ::), dumbass.   but marquez is a class "B" fighter when placed in the ring with FMW. i think FMW proved that in a closeout, chimp.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 11:24:39 AM

Mayweather has been very cleverly managed, his opponents have been hand picked at the right time in their careers for Mayweather to fight.If Mayweather wasn't such a fraud they could have already fought 2 or 3 times before now.


if manny can't get a KO tonight, and has to go the distance with Bradley again, i guarantee that's enough to get FMW in the ring with him.  FMW looks for the degeneration of your best boxing asset before he steps in the ring. Dude isn't undefeated for nothing, especially late in his career.  


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
at, why he sat on the curve for 4 years or so before he took the Cotto fight.  Cotto's body shot disappeared after the Marg brick laying and Manny beating, so FMW jumped in the ring and coasted to UD.  A drugged up Marquez will drop a split but he won't get knocked out.  Manny will get the split every time for effective aggression against Marquez, since Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW type counter-puncher.  

Oh, watch Berto's last and see how not to do the shoulder roll. But that fight was also marred by a horrible official, who turned it into an one-sided affair.  It was like he was on the take.  People in boxing have no shame.  

FMW will completely dismantle Manny somewhere at the end of 2013, would have had problems with him, if he had taken a fight when Manny was at the top of his game around the Greg Haugen KO.

YOUR IGNORANCE ABOUT BOXING IS SECOND TO NONE !!!
MARQUEZ IS ONE OF THE GREATEST COUNTERPUNCHER TODAY.
PLEASE G-THONG SHOUT THE FUCK UP IN BOXING MATTERS !!!
STOP EMBARASSING YOURSELF !!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 08, 2012, 11:28:45 AM
Holy fuck you are a retard , FMW and Marquez  counter punching style are completely different .

Marquez = one of the best counter-punchers in the history of boxing.


Imao. Marquez b level,,,god damn.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 11:29:28 AM

I agree with some of that, Mayweather is a fraud, look at the level of opponent he was fighting when Pac was having wars with in their prime legends like Barrera and Morales.

Mayweather has been very cleverly managed, his opponents have been hand picked at the right time in their careers for Mayweather to fight.If Mayweather wasn't such a fraud they could have already fought 2 or 3 times before now.


QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH !!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
a counter puncher is a counter puncher.  

Haha , a calorie is a calorie , GTFO  of here Thong your boxing knowledge is very limited  you are not worth my time .


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: nzmusclemonster on December 08, 2012, 11:40:08 AM

Imao. Marquez b level,,,god damn.

Hahaha oh brother, "Jaime", what a name  ::)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 11:41:24 AM
YOUR IGNORANCE ABOUT BOXING IS SECOND TO NONE !!!
MARQUEZ IS ONE OF THE GREATEST COUNTERPUNCHER TODAY.
PLEASE G-THONG SHOUT THE FUCK UP IN BOXING MATTERS !!!
STOP EMBARASSING YOURSELF !!!


your mental capacity is right up there with che.  you're telling me marquez = fmw after an 11-1 or 12-0 round fight.  ::)

i can give a fuck, who marquez beat outside of fmw, since i don't even follow his career.  is he fmw's equal when they are in the ring squaring off?

THAT'S THE FUCKING QUESTION FOR CHEPANZEE, AND YOUR STUPID ASS!  


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 08, 2012, 11:46:12 AM
Hahaha oh brother, "Jaime", what a name  ::)


Isn't that your name NZ? Confusion abound. :o :D


I will make a bold prediction for this fight and say that Marquez will get screwed.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: nzmusclemonster on December 08, 2012, 11:47:20 AM

Isn't that your name NZ? Confusion abound. :o :D


I will make a bold prediction for this fight and say that Marquez will get screwed.

Finally you get it  ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: sancho ed on December 08, 2012, 11:52:02 AM
you clearly are a homo fmw fan with your biased ingnorant opinions about marquez. no one has brought it to pacman like marquez has the last several yrs! maybe you should start your own "fmw appreciation" thread on here!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Conker on December 08, 2012, 12:01:17 PM
why the f@ck does everyone keep calling him fmw?

its floyd mayweather junior -fmj

mayweather is ONE WORD lol


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 08, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Finally you get it  ;D


Sorry for the lack of grasping on my end. Hmmm and i think i'll add a no homo. :)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 08, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
Tired of Pacquiao I hope Marquez beats his ass.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 08, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO93Edk7xtw


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 12:57:37 PM
Marquez= juiced to the gills for this fight


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
well theres talk of canelo/pbf for feb. so floyd should be comended


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 08, 2012, 01:43:07 PM
Marquez= juiced to the gills for this fight

so? pacquiao's always juiced to his dorsal fin.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
so? pacquiao's always juiced to his dorsal fin.

True.  i just think it's funny that the guy completely transformed his body at 38 years old, his new trainer is a notorious blood doper and he thinks no one is going to notice. The Marquez camp is using the bullshit spin that Roger Clemens always used, "I'm training like an animal..blah, blah, blah.." Nobody buys that shit anymore


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 08, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
True.  i just think it's funny that the guy completely transformed his body at 38 years old, his new trainer is a notorious blood doper and he thinks no one is going to notice. The Marquez camp is using the bullshit spin that Roger Clemens always used, "I'm training like an animal..blah, blah, blah.." Nobody buys that shit anymore


It's a joke but all of these guys roll in these balco/scientist douches nowadays.

Like they have any area of expertise that would be useful to a boxer apart from their life's work which would be drugs knowledge imao. ::)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
your mental capacity is right up there with che.  you're telling me marquez = fmw after an 11-1 or 12-0 round fight.  ::)

i can give a fuck, who marquez beat outside of fmw, since i don't even follow his career.  is he fmw's equal when they are in the ring squaring off?

THAT'S THE FUCKING QUESTION FOR CHEPANZEE, AND YOUR STUPID ASS!  

G-THONG MONGOLOID DID YOU EVER HEARD THE SAYING : "STYLE MAKE FIGHT" ? ? ?
I THINK I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE !
MARQUEZ DIFFERENT COUNTER PUNCHER THAN FLOYD :
-MARQUEZ IS THE KIND OF FIGHTER WHO PLANT HIS FEET WHEN COUNTERPUNCHING AND ENGAGE HIS OPPONENT IN A EXCHANGE BECAUSE HE IS NOT AFRAID TO GET HIT.
-MAYWEATHER IS A POT SHOT COUNTERPUNCHER , HE WAIT FOR YOU TO TROW A PUNCH , AVOID THE PUNCH, COUNTERPUNCH YOU AND GET THE FUCK OUT.
MARQUEZ STYLE IS PERFECT FOR FIGHTING PACQUIAO BUT THE WRONG ONE TO FIGHT FLOYD, BECAUSE FLOYD ALWAYS AWAIT YOU TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE AND FLOYD BEING FASTER THAN MARQUEZ IT EASY FOR HIM TO BEAT HIM BECAUSE MARQUEZ IS AT HIS BEST IS WHEN HE IS ATTACKED NOT WHEN HE HAS TO ATTACK.
IN MY OPINION A PRIME PACQUIAO WOULD BEAT FLOYD BECAUSE HE IS AN OFFENSIVE SOUTHPOW FIGHTER WITH GREAT FOOTWORK AND A VOLUME HARD HITTING PUNCHER WHO WOULD WEAR DOWN FLOYD.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY FLOYD NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT PACQUIAO.
AT THEIR PRIME :
FLOYD>MARQUEZ>PACQUIAO>FLOYD.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 02:22:39 PM

It's a joke but all of these guys roll in these balco/scientist douches nowadays.

Like they have any area of expertise that would be useful to a boxer apart from their life's work which would be drugs knowledge imao. ::)

Yep. you know what they are saying is responsible for the added mass?.....Squats...LOL.

Nevermind the fact if he was training for boxing, doing road work and  weight training for mass on top of it....Naturally, he would be an overtrained stringy mess


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 08, 2012, 02:43:34 PM
G-THONG MONGOLOID DID YOU EVER HEARD THE SAYING : "STYLE MAKE FIGHT" ? ? ?
I THINK I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE !
MARQUEZ DIFFERENT COUNTER PUNCHER THAN FLOYD :
-MARQUEZ IS THE KIND OF FIGHTER WHO PLANT HIS FEET WHEN COUNTERPUNCHING AND ENGAGE HIS OPPONENT IN A EXCHANGE BECAUSE HE IS NOT AFRAID TO GET HIT.
-MAYWEATHER IS A POT SHOT COUNTERPUNCHER , HE WAIT FOR YOU TO TROW A PUNCH , AVOID THE PUNCH, COUNTERPUNCH YOU AND GET THE FUCK OUT.
MARQUEZ STYLE IS PERFECT FOR FIGHTING PACQUIAO BUT THE WRONG ONE TO FIGHT FLOYD, BECAUSE FLOYD ALWAYS AWAIT YOU TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE AND FLOYD BEING FASTER THAN MARQUEZ IT EASY FOR HIM TO BEAT HIM BECAUSE MARQUEZ IS AT HIS BEST IS WHEN HE IS ATTACKED NOT WHEN HE HAS TO ATTACK.
IN MY OPINION A PRIME PACQUIAO WOULD BEAT FLOYD BECAUSE HE IS AN OFFENSIVE SOUTHPOW FIGHTER WITH GREAT FOOTWORK AND A VOLUME HARD HITTING PUNCHER WHO WOULD WEAR DOWN FLOYD.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY FLOYD NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT PACQUIAO.
AT THEIR PRIME :
FLOYD>MARQUEZ>PACQUIAO>FLOYD.



Legit post, very much agree.



Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 04:05:53 PM
So let me guess Pacquiao the undefeated offensive southpaw fighter with great footwork and a volume hard hit puncher will beat Marquez and his convicted drug user strength training coach tonight?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Army of One on December 08, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
So let me guess Pacquiao the undefeated offensive southpaw fighter with great footwork and a volume hard hit puncher will beat Marquez and his convicted drug user strength training coach tonight?

Pacquiao isnt undefeated


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
G-THONG MONGOLOID DID YOU EVER HEARD THE SAYING : "STYLE MAKE FIGHT" ? ? ?
I THINK I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE !
MARQUEZ DIFFERENT COUNTER PUNCHER THAN FLOYD :
-MARQUEZ IS THE KIND OF FIGHTER WHO PLANT HIS FEET WHEN COUNTERPUNCHING AND ENGAGE HIS OPPONENT IN A EXCHANGE BECAUSE HE IS NOT AFRAID TO GET HIT.
-MAYWEATHER IS A POT SHOT COUNTERPUNCHER , HE WAIT FOR YOU TO TROW A PUNCH , AVOID THE PUNCH, COUNTERPUNCH YOU AND GET THE FUCK OUT.
MARQUEZ STYLE IS PERFECT FOR FIGHTING PACQUIAO BUT THE WRONG ONE TO FIGHT FLOYD, BECAUSE FLOYD ALWAYS AWAIT YOU TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE AND FLOYD BEING FASTER THAN MARQUEZ IT EASY FOR HIM TO BEAT HIM BECAUSE MARQUEZ IS AT HIS BEST IS WHEN HE IS ATTACKED NOT WHEN HE HAS TO ATTACK.
IN MY OPINION A PRIME PACQUIAO WOULD BEAT FLOYD BECAUSE HE IS AN OFFENSIVE SOUTHPOW FIGHTER WITH GREAT FOOTWORK AND A VOLUME HARD HITTING PUNCHER WHO WOULD WEAR DOWN FLOYD.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY FLOYD NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT PACQUIAO.
AT THEIR PRIME :
FLOYD>MARQUEZ>PACQUIAO>FLOYD.


you really think i'm reading that.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 04:37:48 PM
So let me guess Pacquiao the undefeated offensive southpaw fighter with great footwork and a volume hard hit puncher will beat Marquez and his convicted drug user strength training coach tonight?

If you read well , what I said is the contrary :
FLOYD>MARQUEZ>PACQUIAO>FLOYD
But the reality is that Pac vs Marquez at their best will ever be a close fight.
Pac draw 1 time against Marquez and won 2 time with a controversial decision (split and majority) that could have gone on the other way (in Marquez favor) thanks to knock downs (4 total) when in reality he lost most of the rounds of their 3 enconters.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 04:39:55 PM

you really think i'm reading that.

You are just admitting that you are retarded and ignorant in boxing !!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 04:55:40 PM
If you read well , what I said is the contrary :
FLOYD>MARQUEZ>PACQUIAO>FLOYD
But the reality is that Pac vs Marquez at their best will ever be a close fight.
Pac draw 1 time against Marquez and won 2 time with a controversial decision (split and majority) that could have gone on the other way (in Marquez favor) thanks to knock downs (4 total) when in reality he lost most of the rounds of their 3 enconters.

So you're putting your money on Marquez tonight?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 08, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
So you're putting your money on Marquez tonight?

Honestly I will not put money on anybody tonight because I think is going to be another close decision.
Maybe I am leaning more to Marquez because I do not think the judges will give another close decision to Manny.
But if I was in Vegas and I had to bet I would put my money on a draw, is a long shot but at least I would make a lot of money.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
Honestly I will not put money on anybody tonight because I think is going to be another close decision.
Maybe I am leaning more to Marquez because I do not think the judges will give another close decision to Manny.
But if I was in Vegas and I had to bet I would put my money on a draw, is a long shot but at least I would make a lot of money.

That's the problem they keep milking the same fighters for the same re-matches to the point where nobody has a clue to who will win. Just like the UFC, the same fighters over and over and keep calling it the main event. But I still have a feeling Pacquiao might win this one.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
PS does anybody have a link to the fight - thanks


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BB on December 08, 2012, 07:00:01 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/157886/3/ .


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 07:24:58 PM

LOL - they just showed Steven Seagal at the fight :-D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 08, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
LOL - they just showed Steven Seagal at the fight :-D
He could jump in beat them both at once.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
Gamboa next  he  is always fun to watch.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/157886/3/ .

Thanks...but a shit link, freezes every 2 min's?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
Thanks...but a shit link, freezes every 2 min's?
http://www.usagoals.com/boxing-wwe-ufc.html

50c sounds horrible


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 08:06:46 PM
Thanks...but a shit link, freezes every 2 min's?

I'm using the same one. playing perfect.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
G-THONG MONGOLOID
i thought gthang is a white guy posing as a cuban posing as a brazilian decent troll gimmick


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 08:10:06 PM
http://www.usagoals.com/boxing-wwe-ufc.html

50c sounds horrible

Thanks, 50 cent is past his prime but just there to get his promo team in the boxing game like Don King.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
I'm using the same one. playing perfect.

Not sure if you're in a different state maybe streams better, but mine was freezing too much.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 08:19:32 PM
midget Boxing


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
They just showed Mike Tyson, why did he lose so much weight?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: illwill on December 08, 2012, 08:34:25 PM
http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/12479103172500.html


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 08:37:31 PM

This fight has been pretty good!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 08:45:03 PM
This fight has been pretty good!
not yuris best


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 08:45:38 PM

Love how the commentators keep talking about how boring the fights have been lolll


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 08, 2012, 08:47:48 PM
Time to think gamboa.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
not yuris best

Not a bad comeback fight for Farenus!  Dude is working for it!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 08, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
They just showed Mike Tyson, why did he lose so much weight?

Diabetes bro.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
rolly winkler's trainer looking solid warming up Manny


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
Damn that mexican slut esta Peda .... .DRUNK


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BB on December 08, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
1st fight would've been great if Hyland lit a fire under his ass and actually fought. The ref work was great.

2nd fight- ugly and boring.

3rd is darn good I respect Farenas for putting up a good fight, it was a fun one after the borefest just before it.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
and now THREE national anthems...I give Jim "lamphead" Lampley credit for saying "an undercard that feels like it started a month ago"  LOL


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
1st fight would've been great if Hyland lit a fire under his ass and actually fought. The ref work was great.

2nd fight- ugly and boring.

3rd is darn good I respect Farenas for putting up a good fight, it was a fun one after the borefest just before it.

This!


Paq-Man is up now! Lets hope for a good fight!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
This!


Paq-Man is up now! Lets hope for a good fight!

you wouldn't know a good fight if it pulled on your testicle..rich boy.


 ;D ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
Damnnnnn great voice on Lorena Peril singing the national anthem!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:11:54 PM
that bitch needs a good ass fucking


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
you wouldn't know a good fight if it pulled on your testicle..rich boy.


 ;D ;D

You dunno the mean streets I grew up on my friend!  The fists came out when gucci shoes were scuffed!!

 ;D  8)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:17:19 PM
39??? damn foo is old, going to sleep in the 4th round


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
jim lampley just called marquez a bodybuilder


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
jim lampley just called marquez a bodybuilder

Phew - we needed something to make this thread bodybuilding related!!   ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:25:18 PM


Goodrum looking good ready to referee  ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
Pac  2-0


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
OOhhh OOOOhhhhhhh


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 09:39:26 PM
Great round


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:39:35 PM
Marquez was walking back to the corner with ILS


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: nefario on December 08, 2012, 09:45:58 PM
Damn, this is great!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:51:34 PM

HOLY SHITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
OH WHAT TH FUCK!!!

MANNY JUST DIED



(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15n0acynU1r2i1edo1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 09:52:32 PM
steroids are a helluva drug  ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 09:53:59 PM
dooooooooooooooooooooooo ooown goes the chinaman!!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Built like a bodybuilder!  ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 08, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
Face down out cold.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
That was a B level counter-punch. :o


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2012, 09:54:24 PM
I thought he was dead too...lol.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 08, 2012, 09:54:36 PM
JMM ended this shit. lol


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
breaking news.....mass suicides reported in the philipines


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Schmoff on December 08, 2012, 09:55:58 PM
shit happens



Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
I thought he was dead too...lol.

His wife was freaking outttt!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
Damn what a punch, clocked him right in the face. Now let's do some investigation here with Marquez coach and steroids  ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 09:56:56 PM
That was a B level counter-punch. :o
whats even better than this KO is that Floyd fucked himself out of $$$$ ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 09:57:15 PM
I guess his steroid pushing trainer just tripled his rates.  ;D

couldn't put him down in three fights , drops him once and then almost kills him this time...that's some good stuff.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2012, 09:57:15 PM
I wonder what the split is for the Mayweather fight now...80/20?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: polychronopolous on December 08, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
steroids are a helluva drug  ;D

Marquez is probably saying, "Why didn't I think of this earlier in my career!?"  8)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 09:59:21 PM
I guess his steroid pushing trainer just tripled his rates.  ;D

couldn't put him down in three fights , drops him once and then almost kills him this time...that's some good stuff.

That punch would put anyone down ,steroids or not.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 08, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
Manny  a great sportsman!  Still all smiles after this fight!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 10:00:13 PM
So is Mayweather going to fight Marquez Next  ??? ???


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BB on December 08, 2012, 10:00:24 PM
Damn, he went down like a sledge hammered cow........ I don't think he'll be the same after this one.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
That punch would put anyone down ,steroids or not.

there is no "not" , come on che


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 08, 2012, 10:02:58 PM
Lol Larry just had to bring up all the muscles that made a difference for Marqueze, see that right there already is raising suspicion.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: polychronopolous on December 08, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Damn, he went down like a sledge hammered cow........ I don't think he'll be the same after this one.

Freddie Roach said he wanted Pacquiao to retire if he lost this one.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 10:05:31 PM
Any GIfs of the KO yet???


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ATfP3.png)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 10:07:56 PM
there is no "not" , come on che
I'm talking about the punch, that was a KO punch clean or juiced.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 08, 2012, 10:09:37 PM
Freddie Roach said he wanted Pacquiao to retire if he lost this one.
He will be back boxers box until they cant anymore mainly for money.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nails on December 08, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/pacquiao-ko-marquez.gif)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
I'm talking about the punch, that was a KO punch clean or juiced.

Can't agree, as he was obviously juiced and far stronger than he's ever been before. who's to say he lands that cleanly and with that authority if he's not sauced. Kinda the way Barry Bonds launched balls into orbit that other guys couldn't pull

but I'm not a homo, he starched his ass, end of story.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 10:15:24 PM
Can't agree, as he was obviously juiced and far stronger than he's ever been before. who's to say he lands that cleanly and with that authority if he's not sauced. Kinda the way Barry Bonds launched balls into orbit that other guys couldn't pull

but I'm not a homo, he starched his ass, end of story.
youve never boxed


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: polychronopolous on December 08, 2012, 10:15:52 PM
He will be back boxers box until they cant anymore mainly for money.

That's true in the vast, vast majority of cases.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Wiggs on December 08, 2012, 10:17:05 PM
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/pacquiao-ko-marquez.gif)


Hahahahahahahahahhahahah ahahahahahhahaha! Damn it! Should've watched the fight.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:19:22 PM
youve never boxed

irrelevant. Steroids increase speed and power. If I danced in the fucking ballet that's still true.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 10:19:44 PM
jim lampley is crying in the fetal positon and cutting himself right now


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 10:21:49 PM
irrelevant. Steroids increase speed and power. If I danced in the fucking ballet that's still true.
who to say JMM never stopped using to begin with this is elite sports were discussing


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 10:22:21 PM
somebody get a picture of mitt romney witnessing the knock out. he was 3 feet away


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
I see what happened ,Pac was coming forward he stepped on Marquez's foot  and lost his balance  ,he was going down  even before he got hit  ,he never saw that punch  coming .


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
I see what happened ,Pac was coming forward he stepped on Marquez's foot  and lost his balance  ,he was going down  even before he got hit  ,he never saw that punch  coming .


Yeah saw it too.

Too bad he was starting to heat up, he's been getting some fucked up luck lately. first the Negro and now this.

that's a bad knockout too. After Roy Jones got knocked stiff he fell off fast.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Yeah saw it too.

Too bad he was starting to heat up, he's been getting some fucked up luck lately. first the Negro and now this.

that's a bad knockout too. After Roy Jones got knocked stiff he fell off fast.
Yeah , but he was winning the fight , shit happens.

Check this out ,pause it at 00:01 and 00:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91KCzY-kn8U


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BDsauce on December 08, 2012, 10:38:13 PM
Pac is done. Chin shattered....


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: cephissus on December 08, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/pacquiao-ko-marquez.gif)

haha what's with the schmoe trying to caress his face


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:41:29 PM
Yeah , but he was winning the fight , shit happens.

Check this out ,pause it at 00:01 and 00:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91KCzY-kn8U

he fell right into the punch...ouch. still think Marquez would have landed that shot, but doubt it would have Killed Pac...LOL.

At first I thought Manny should retire, after seeing that they will probably fight again and make Jillions...Floyd mayweather just got put on the back burner from a freak punch that turned this rivalry into legend.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2012, 10:42:44 PM
haha what's with the schmoe trying to caress his face

 ;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 10:43:31 PM
he fell right into the punch...ouch. still think Marquez would have landed that shot, but doubt it would have Killed Pac...LOL.

At first I thought Manny should retire, after seeing that they will probably fight again and make Jillions...Floyd mayweather just got put on the back burner from a freak punch that turned this rivalry into legend.
lol at freak punch


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: whitewidow on December 08, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
what round did manny go down in? and was he up in points before he went down? I think that is the first time manny has even been knocked down better yet knocked out.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:51:35 PM
lol at freak punch


Ok Buddy McGirt, tell us how slipping and falling into a right hand was exactly what marquez had in store for him  ::)

credit where it's due, but that was a shitty break


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 08, 2012, 10:53:07 PM

Ok Buddy McGirt, tell us how slipping and falling into a right hand was exactly what marquez had in store for him  ::)

credit where it's due, but that was a shitty break
and how exactly did JMM knockdown Manny? ;)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 08, 2012, 10:54:48 PM
and how exactly did JMM knockdown Manny? ;)

he knocked him down with a nice right hand over the top, the only similarity is they were both right hands, but nice try


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 08, 2012, 10:56:51 PM
he fell right into the punch...ouch. still think Marquez would have landed that shot, but doubt it would have Killed Pac...LOL.

At first I thought Manny should retire, after seeing that they will probably fight again and make Jillions...Floyd mayweather just got put on the back burner from a freak punch that turned this rivalry into legend.
High level boxing  , you make any mistakes, you have to pay


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 08, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
  Pac got starched.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BB on December 08, 2012, 11:10:02 PM
what round did manny go down in? and was he up in points before he went down? I think that is the first time manny has even been knocked down better yet knocked out.

6th, he was ahead by a point, he went down in the 3rd, then knocked out in the #6. This was a bruiser of a fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-truCSiYU .



Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: fathead on December 08, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Jim Lampley on suicide watch


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 08, 2012, 11:22:07 PM
  Brutal Right


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 08, 2012, 11:24:39 PM
Ouch.  I hope he retires.

Marquez stepped on the gas nicely.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 08, 2012, 11:52:37 PM
  Brutal Face Plant. Face first slam.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: whitewidow on December 09, 2012, 12:08:58 AM
Manny took a flop to make him look weak to mayweather! Mayweather beat the shit out of marquez! I am sure mayweather would love to fight marquez! He dominated marquez every round even knocking him down almost out one round. Mayweather totally owned marquez when those 2 fought!
why would manny fight marquez anyway? He already beat him twice and the draw was bullshit as one judge did not score the third knockdown in the first round! So technically manny beat marquez 3 times. he should of fought Bradley again. Mayweather will walk through Bradley or Marquez. Bradley Marquez would be a good fight though!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 09, 2012, 12:17:38 AM
Pacquiao vs Marquez 5!  Can't wait.  Want to see this more than the 3rd and 4th fights.  Manny was inflicting some serious damage on Marquez until he got careless.  What a fucking punch.  Holy shit was he out cold.  Who knows what Manny will have left when they fight again.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 09, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
  Part Five


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: polychronopolous on December 09, 2012, 01:09:57 AM
  Part Five

The Modern Day equivalent of Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Jake LaMotta!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 09, 2012, 01:39:59 AM
Pacquiao vs Marquez 5!  Can't wait.  Want to see this more than the 3rd and 4th fights.  Manny was inflicting some serious damage on Marquez until he got careless.  What a fucking punch.  Holy shit was he out cold.  Who knows what Manny will have left when they fight again.

Me too ! I want to see the Pacquiao vs Marquez 5 !!!


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: musclecenter on December 09, 2012, 01:57:54 AM
Manny Pacquiao Defeated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFBbHkRq0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFBbHkRq0w)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 09, 2012, 02:48:54 AM
Links to fight replay anyone ??


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Radical Plato on December 09, 2012, 03:03:29 AM
Looks like Marquez's PED regime paid off!

Before PED's

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather_medium.jpg)

After PED's

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao_medium.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2012, 03:16:34 AM
FMW vs Marquez II

FMW will close him out 12 - 0 again even after this earth shattering victory.  ::)

That's for Chepanzee and his bitch, 69, who gives him a duel blow job.

As noted, FMW will dismantle both of these clowns.  Marquez still doesn't have the skill sets, and Manny is on the downward spiral, which gives FMW a greenlight to take the fight in late 2013.

So, what you two chimps say, Marquez will win 2 rounds against FMW this time b/c Manny ran into a shot? 


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
Manny took a flop to make him look weak to mayweather! Mayweather beat the shit out of marquez! I am sure mayweather would love to fight marquez! He dominated marquez every round even knocking him down almost out one round. Mayweather totally owned marquez when those 2 fought!
why would manny fight marquez anyway? He already beat him twice and the draw was bullshit as one judge did not score the third knockdown in the first round! So technically manny beat marquez 3 times. he should of fought Bradley again. Mayweather will walk through Bradley or Marquez. Bradley Marquez would be a good fight though!

FMW is licking his chops.  Marquez and Bradley have class B styles when matched up with his skill sets.  Dude will pick up 30 million for each for fight.  on top of that the marquez fight for FMW is easier than the Bradley match up.  Even when FMW moves forward, it's left first and shoulder up to protect his chin, not the brahma bull shit like Manny.


in the end Manny took to many back-back hard fights, and let Arum and Roach run him into the ground for their %.  he will be back in the filo shanty towns broke within 5 years.  btw, he keeps fighting because it's known he is burning money since becoming a congressmen.

People still don't see why FMW won't fuck with Arum.  


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2012, 03:39:52 AM
"Manny was fighting a good fight and he ran into one," promoter Bob Arum said. "No excuses."
And also, no big payday for a fight with Mayweather. Arum said fans would still want to see a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, given how exciting Pacquiao was on Saturday, and that's probably true.


Piece of crap Jew, Arum.  ::)

No big pay day for Arum.  Actually, fans have short memories and will want to see Marquez again, thinking he's the guy now that can knockout the hated FMW. 

like him or not, FMW just keeps winning.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 09, 2012, 08:34:20 AM
I'm avail for upright row training for the highest bidder

I bid $2.39.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: bradistani on December 09, 2012, 08:40:00 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ivHzFnWb8q2gE.gif)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 09, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ivHzFnWb8q2gE.gif)

any gifs of jinkee climbing chairs?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 09, 2012, 09:05:20 AM
Many Pacquiao starting offensive lineman superbowl brutal!
One play then to sidelines to catch his breath.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 09, 2012, 09:11:18 AM
Manny took a flop to make him look weak to mayweather! Mayweather beat the shit out of marquez! I am sure mayweather would love to fight marquez! He dominated marquez every round even knocking him down almost out one round. Mayweather totally owned marquez when those 2 fought!
why would manny fight marquez anyway? He already beat him twice and the draw was bullshit as one judge did not score the third knockdown in the first round! So technically manny beat marquez 3 times. he should of fought Bradley again. Mayweather will walk through Bradley or Marquez. Bradley Marquez would be a good fight though!
too bad he is going to fight canelo


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: hardgainerj on December 09, 2012, 09:13:57 AM
FMW vs Marquez II

FMW will close him out 12 - 0 again even after this earth shattering victory.  ::)

That's for Chepanzee and his bitch, 69, who gives him a duel blow job.

As noted, FMW will dismantle both of these clowns.  Marquez still doesn't have the skill sets, and Manny is on the downward spiral, which gives FMW a greenlight to take the fight in late 2013.

So, what you two chimps say, Marquez will win 2 rounds against FMW this time b/c Manny ran into a shot? 
but the chimp Floyd is not going to box JMM again it will probably be Canelo


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 09, 2012, 09:14:28 AM
(http://distilleryimage2.s3.amazonaws.com/17ac3b16421511e283fe22000a1faeaf_7.jpg)
(http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/57ef1ef841d111e2a5cd22000a1fb0b0_7.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: crownshep on December 09, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
Questions being asked about JMM and his new physique.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2245353/Juan-Manuel-Marquez-beats-Manny-Pacquiao-Las-Vegas.html


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 09, 2012, 10:00:29 AM
 >:(


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: f450 on December 09, 2012, 10:05:40 AM
Questions being asked about JMM and his new physique.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2245353/Juan-Manuel-Marquez-beats-Manny-Pacquiao-Las-Vegas.html

Test prop and var...


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 09, 2012, 10:07:30 AM
>:(

?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 09, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
I had Pac via dec.  Lost a little bread.  >:(


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: sancho ed on December 09, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
wonder what he was cycling.....anyhow hopefully it doesnt come back and bite him in the ass  :-\


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: the_swami on December 09, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Manny shld retire
b4 the KO loss  he was losing speed and reflexes and easier to hit- he not the same fighter as he was even 2 years ago

Manny didnt see the KO Punch coming, that and it was right on the point fo the chin  , is why he was out cold

unless Manny wants big $ for JMM 5, he shld retire, JMM 5- will se Marquez rpt the result

FMW would have Manny's number had they both fought @ their primes- styles make fights and FMW just too slick + fast for Manny and would have countered him to death-= manny is not hard to hit

altho he is an arrogant douchbag, you have got to admit that FMV is prob one of the most skillful boxers EVER


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 09, 2012, 01:48:59 PM
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Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
but the chimp Floyd is not going to box JMM again it will probably be Canelo

why would he fight a young stud like canelo, who isn't a joke like ortiz, when he can cake walk a short arm, class "B" counter-puncher like marquez for another 12-0 to 11-1 round win and $40M.  you think FMW wasn't watching that shit.

the jackasses will buy this fight up, thinking/hoping marquez knocks fmw out.  yeah, like fmw will run into punches.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 09, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
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Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 09, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
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Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Wiggs on December 09, 2012, 02:15:33 PM
LOL @ the pics


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 09, 2012, 02:22:00 PM

b4 the KO loss  he was losing speed and reflexes and easier to hit-

WTF are you talking about  ???  Pacquiao looked as good as ever strong, fast ,good movement , he  dominated Marquez in the 5th ,he was landing big lefts Marquez was getting tired and he was having hard time finding openings to counter ,   Marquez entered the sixth round with a   broken nose ,bleeding from at least two places. Pacquiao smelled blood and went for the kill, tripped on Marquez foot and the rest is history.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Wiggs on December 09, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
WTF are you talking about  ???  Pacquiao looked as good as ever strong, fast ,good movement , he  dominated Marquez in the 5th ,he was landing big lefts Marquez was getting tired and he was having hard time finding openings to counter ,   Marquez entered the sixth round with a   broken nose ,bleeding from at least two places. Pacquiao smelled blood and went for the kill, tripped on Marquez foot and the rest is history.

x2

Pacman had just as good of a chance for a knockout as Marquez. He was ahead on the cards he was fighting better and Marquez' nose was broken.  Had Marquez not knocked Pacman out, Pacman would have won that fight cause there was no way it was going 12.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Big N on December 09, 2012, 02:30:13 PM
On the couch that Ricky died on in 'Boyz in The Hood'


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 09, 2012, 02:30:46 PM
Pacman would have won that fight cause there was no way it was going 12.
Exactly , I was giving Marquez (because he's a tough mofo ) two more rounds .


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Overload on December 09, 2012, 02:31:37 PM
Pac looked great but got caught.

Marquez was probably on some GH and a short acting Test, just like the majority of other boxers. Let's not forget Pac has been accused for years and years for the same shit. PED's or not, that punch was just killer because he didn't see it and was leaning/falling into it.

Brutal.


8)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Wiggs on December 09, 2012, 02:32:17 PM
Exactly , I was giving Marquez (because he's a tough mofo ) two more rounds .

Bingo


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 09, 2012, 02:36:09 PM

PED's or not, that punch was just killer because he didn't see it and was leaning/falling into it.



BINGO


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2012, 03:18:40 PM
WTF are you talking about  ???  Pacquiao looked as good as ever strong, fast ,good movement , he  dominated Marquez in the 5th ,he was landing big lefts Marquez was getting tired and he was having hard time finding openings to counter ,   Marquez entered the sixth round with a   broken nose ,bleeding from at least two places. Pacquiao smelled blood and went for the kill, tripped on Marquez foot and the rest is history.

wtf are you talking about again!  marquez and manny are a mute point now.  how do marquez's skill sets compare to fmw's when they step in the ring again, if fmw can sell to the public marquez is a mayfielder kill now, since people are dying to see him get knocked out?  Class A counter-puncher vs Class B.  the pac/fmw debate was always, was fmw willing to fight an arum fighter and could manny stay unbeaten before his skills eroded?  fuck, the skills went.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 09, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
wtf are you talking about again!  marquez and manny are a mute point now.  how do marquez's skill sets compare to fmw's when they step in the ring again, if fmw can sell to the public marquez is a mayfielder kill now, since people are dying to see him get knocked out?  Class A counter-puncher vs Class B.  the pac/fmw debate was always, was fmw willing to fight an arum fighter and could manny stay unbeaten before his skills eroded?  fuck, the skills went.

Thing is nobody gives a fuck about flying negro mayweather right now and his pitty pat bullshit. marquez buried his fist into manny's head and erased him and changed the whole history of their rivalry. Their rematch is now the "hot fight" , Floyd can go gamble some more and wait.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 09, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
  south paw and orthodox usually trip


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 09, 2012, 04:04:39 PM
 ;D ;D hahhhaaha


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 09, 2012, 04:18:55 PM
(http://www.egtuk.com/site/images/chelsea/around%20the%20house/Spray-Starch-3in1.gif)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jaime on December 09, 2012, 04:22:37 PM
wtf are you talking about again!  marquez and manny are a mute point now.  how do marquez's skill sets compare to fmw's when they step in the ring again, if fmw can sell to the public marquez is a mayfielder kill now, since people are dying to see him get knocked out?  Class A counter-puncher vs Class B.  the pac/fmw debate was always, was fmw willing to fight an arum fighter and could manny stay unbeaten before his skills eroded?  fuck, the skills went.


Stop persisting with this class b shit, Marquez is one of the greatest Mexican fighters ever.


Floyd beat a very fat Marquez at a new weight, Floyd is taller and rangier,plus he is faster, he forced Marquez in to pressing and his attributes won him the fight. End of. Floyd has Marquez, bad style match up, fucking b level ::) But he has now acclimatized to the weight far better, in his defence.

Pac's skills are just fine, he has never matched up well with Marquez and was actually doing very well in this fight, he walked on to a peach of a punch. Glad for Marquez he has had a very raw deal in this series.



Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 09, 2012, 04:30:33 PM
 :)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 09, 2012, 04:38:33 PM
I'm a retard with 0 knowledge of the sweet science .

I totally  agree


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 09, 2012, 04:47:15 PM
Starting to feel the urge to take a shit

Booty is offline


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 09, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
 :D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 09, 2012, 05:06:40 PM
On the couch that Ricky died on in 'Boyz in The Hood'

lmfao


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 09, 2012, 05:08:39 PM

Are there whores on this site if so I might sign up.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: BIG ACH on December 09, 2012, 05:23:23 PM
So its safe to assume that there is going to be a fifth fight, right?


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 09, 2012, 05:59:49 PM
Booty is offline

LMFAO


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Shockwave on December 09, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
G_thong doing some epic trolling in this thread.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: maxkane69 on December 09, 2012, 06:06:43 PM
We need a Pacquiao vs Marquez 5 !
Just imagine if this time Pacquiao knock out Marquez. That would be Epic !
What boxing need right now more than ever is 2 warriors who fight with no fear looking to knock out the opponent for a legendary status in the sport , just like happened yesterday.
The way this 2 warriors fought yesterday reminded me the same mentality Hagler vs Hearns had in their great bout with a KO ending similar to Hearns  vs Duran.
Pacquiao is a warrior and was taken out like a warrior by another warrior like Marquez.
Pacquiao knew that Marquez was is most formidable opponent and he choose to fight him instead of safe rematch against a soft puncher like Bradley. I have more respect for Pacquiao now than ever because of that !
Pacquiao and Marquez have that old school mentality of boxers who fight for a legendary status in the sport.
The fight of last night is going to be remebered as one of the greatest fight ever in boxing history because of the ending and the caliber of the protagonist of the encounter. I just witnessed yesterday what I consider stuff of legends.
Floyd instead is a greedy man and a cherrypicker trash talker afraid to lose and be beaten by dangerous opponents.
No matter the loss in their record Pacquiao and Marquez are now legends and will be remembered as legends in the future for their great rivalarie and courage displayed in their career!
Mayweather instead is going to be remembered just as exceptionally skilled boxer with no heart and courage and never will be considered a legend of the sport !


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 09, 2012, 06:07:48 PM
G_thong doing some epic trolling in this thread.

note to self (category: improving my trolling): accuse more people of "epic trolling" when they're being deadly serious.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Shockwave on December 09, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
note to self (category: improving my trolling): accuse more people of "epic trolling" when they're being deadly serious.
;D


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 10, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/480058_10200139298150959_691564189_n.jpg)
(http://www.diversityhuman.com/public/Sports/manny-pacquiao-marquez-meme-funny-pictures/marquez-pacquiao-knock-out-meme-beach.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 10, 2012, 02:30:12 PM
A.I crossed him up lol

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/manny-pacquiao-memes_2/manny-pacquiao-ko-photoshops-14.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 10, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
A.I crossed him up lol

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/manny-pacquiao-memes_2/manny-pacquiao-ko-photoshops-14.jpg)

Stop with the pics man ,show some respect for Manny .











































(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd183/meathookd/pacbedtime.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 10, 2012, 02:39:55 PM
Stop with the pics man ,show some respect for Manny .













































(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd183/meathookd/pacbedtime.jpg)

LMFAO. LOL

the guy fights his ass off but these pics are hilarious. lol


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: che on December 10, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
LMFAO. LOL

the guy fights his ass off but these pics are hilarious. lol
;D

(http://i.imgur.com/9rqKd.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ET4Od.jpg?1)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 10, 2012, 02:51:44 PM
;D

(http://i.imgur.com/9rqKd.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ET4Od.jpg?1)

OMG. LMFAO. LOL

Man you got me in tears here. LOL


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: jaejonna on December 10, 2012, 05:00:24 PM
Still in mourning. Can't even watch replays of the fight or look at these dumb pictures. I know most posters on Getbig think that boxers and athletes are these characters that play out their lives, battles and stories on your TV/computer screen but Manny to the Filipinos represented much more than someone to cheer on. I'm not even going to grant getbig anymore of my thoughts on this matter, but let me say that as a fan of boxing, like I have been since I was 13 or younger (being 34 yrs old) ... that's boxing, sometimes your the windshield and sometimes your the bug. If you stick around long enough, you will get hurt.


TEAM CANELO


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: K-1 on December 10, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
(http://richkidsbrand.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/9.png)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/34evtjs.png)
(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/manny-pacquiao-memes_2/manny-pacquiao-ko-photoshops-6.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4f921092bceac30e2252c697b81da58c/tumblr_metmbdxJlX1qhft5ko1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: G_Thang on December 10, 2012, 06:13:11 PM
G_thong doing some epic trolling in this thread.

now, have i ever trolled chepanzee and his dick sucking buddy, 69, in a boxing thread? lets forgot about that one-time with my secrawler gimmick, since that one don't count.  ::)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on December 10, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
(http://www.diversityhuman.com/public/Sports/manny-pacquiao-marquez-meme-funny-pictures/marquez-pacquiao-knock-out-meme-beach.jpg)


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on March 05, 2013, 02:47:57 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1550367-will-manny-pacquiao-ever-fully-recover-from-juan-manuel-marquezs-ko-punch?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=boxing


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: the_swami on March 05, 2013, 04:37:01 PM
is there going to be a 5th fight?

i hope manny doesnt do it- he shld retire- dont risk his health- there's nothjing mroe for him to achieve in boxing
he's in the top 10 greatest of all time- possibly top 3 of all time
stick to helping his countrymen,women, kids


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nicademus on March 05, 2013, 04:50:34 PM
is there going to be a 5th fight?

i hope manny doesnt do it- he shld retire- dont risk his health- there's nothjing mroe for him to achieve in boxing
he's in the top 10 greatest of all time- possibly top 3 of all time
stick to helping his countrymen,women, kids

Top 10?  Top 3?  You're fuckin' high.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: TheTruth90 on March 05, 2013, 05:05:02 PM
, since Marquez is nothing but a "B" class FMW type counter-puncher.  

What a complete fucking retard. Dumb nignog


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: arce1988 on March 05, 2013, 05:06:42 PM
  I hope they have a fifth bout


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nicademus on March 05, 2013, 06:39:44 PM
I'd watch a 5th fight too.  Hell, I'd watch them fight 10 times if they wanted.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: AbrahamG on March 05, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
I'd watch a 5th fight too.  Hell, I'd watch them fight 10 times if they wanted.

No shit.  I want the fifth fight more than I did their initial rematch.


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: the_swami on March 05, 2013, 08:03:42 PM
Top 10?  Top 3?  You're fuckin' high.

the only 8 division champion in the history of boxing

fought all the best guys of his era in all the wt classes he fought in and beat them (avenging defeats also)

cant ask for more

i beleive FMW would soundly otubox pacman based on styles but even if that fight had happnd, Pacman would still be top 10 all time,


Title: Re: If manny pacquiao loses against marquez tomorrow.
Post by: Nicademus on March 05, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
the only 8 division champion in the history of boxing

fought all the best guys of his era in all the wt classes he fought in and beat them (avenging defeats also)

cant ask for more

i beleive FMW would soundly otubox pacman based on styles but even if that fight had happnd, Pacman would still be top 10 all time,

Oh hell nah.  He's a great fighter but not a top ten great.  Those 8 division championships are misleading-for one there are too many belts, he beat belt holders not "champions' and he fought them at catch weights.

Pacquiao isn't better than Mayeather(who also is not a top 10 all-time great) and he's arguably not better than Marquez.  That's 2 guys in his own era who will go down as better boxers than him.  Throw in Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Armstrong, Ali,Robinson, Pryor, Arguello, hell a shit load of other fighters I can't even think of right now and Pac's waaaaaaay down the list.

He's one of the best of his era-and that's pretty damn good still.  But far from top 10.