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Title: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 03, 2018, 05:38:51 PM
Not much more to say. Heís a great athlete but once the magic wears off heís done. I guess they figure the 3-4 years they get out of him and do some winning is better than what Flacco would give them.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 06, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
Will have to see him next year.  You give these defensive coordinators a full off season and they just pick these new qb's apart especially running qb's with bad accuracy.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 12, 2018, 06:08:50 PM
Just named starter, we shall see.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 01, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
From what I have seen so far, he is head and shoulders better than Vince Young.  Not even close. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 01, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Vince Young was awesome his rookie year as well.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 01, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Vince Young was awesome his rookie year as well.

RG 3  too

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2019, 04:55:34 PM
Vince Young was awesome his rookie year as well.

Vince completed 51.5 percent of his passes as a rookie, with 2199 yards, 12 TDs, and 13 INTs in 13 starts.  Not awesome at all.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2019, 04:56:28 PM
RG 3  too

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RGIII was terrific as a rookie.  Vince Young was not. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: AbrahamG on January 04, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
Football is for the guys who couldn't make the baseball team.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 05, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
RGIII was terrific as a rookie.  Vince Young was not. 

he was rookie of the year

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 05, 2019, 11:41:08 AM
Football is for the guys who couldn't make the baseball team.

more like the basketball team

nobody thinks baseball is cool anymore, even if it would be the smarter choice to play if given the option

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 09, 2019, 03:19:32 PM
he was rookie of the year

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Who was his competition??  Did you look at his numbers I posted? 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 10, 2019, 03:43:59 AM
We just saw what next year will probably look like for Lamar Jackson.  The defensive schemes LA used against Baltimore in the playoffs will be all Jackson will see next year until he overcomes it.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 10, 2019, 03:36:18 PM
Who was his competition??  Did you look at his numbers I posted? 

matt leinart, reggie bush, aj hawk, and the texans d lineman that went number 1 overall whose name escapes me

doesn't matter who the competition was or his numbers, just pointing out the fact he was rookie of the year but you're right those numbers aren't impressive

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
matt leinart, reggie bush, aj hawk, and the texans d lineman that went number 1 overall whose name escapes me

doesn't matter who the competition was or his numbers, just pointing out the fact he was rookie of the year but you're right those numbers aren't impressive

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Mario Williams. 

The competition and his numbers provide context.  It's like saying a crappy bodybuilder won his division without mentioning that there were only two other competitors who also looked like crap. 

Regardless, I don't see a hint of Vince Young in Lamar Jackson.  Vince Young wasn't even a great college QB IMO.  He was a beast in the "national championship" game against USC, but didn't have near the ridiculous numbers Jackson had in college.  Nor was he anywhere near as impressive as an NFL rookie. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 11, 2019, 03:17:31 AM
Mario Williams. 

The competition and his numbers provide context.  It's like saying a crappy bodybuilder won his division without mentioning that there were only two other competitors who also looked like crap. 

Regardless, I don't see a hint of Vince Young in Lamar Jackson.  Vince Young wasn't even a great college QB IMO.  He was a beast in the "national championship" game against USC, but didn't have near the ridiculous numbers Jackson had in college.  Nor was he anywhere near as impressive as an NFL rookie. 
Lamar might have looked better in college than Vince but he played for Louisville in a much easier conference.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 10:51:29 AM
Lamar might have looked better in college than Vince but he played for Louisville in a much easier conference.

He didn't just look better.  He was better.  By a lot.  Go check his numbers.  Off the charts. 

I'm not a big believer in conferences telling me how good a player is.  I believe what I see.  For example, the University of Hawaii doesn't produce many NFL players, especially since June Jones left in 2009, but I know NFL talent when I see it.  Like WR John Ursua.  He will play on Sundays if he can stay healthy. 

Yes the SEC produces the lion's share of NFL players, because the best high school players in the country flock there, but a good player is a good player. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 11, 2019, 11:35:16 AM
He didn't just look better.  He was better.  By a lot.  Go check his numbers.  Off the charts. 

I'm not a big believer in conferences telling me how good a player is.  I believe what I see.  For example, the University of Hawaii doesn't produce many NFL players, especially since June Jones left in 2009, but I know NFL talent when I see it.  Like WR John Ursua.  He will play on Sundays if he can stay healthy. 

Yes the SEC produces the lion's share of NFL players, because the best high school players in the country flock there, but a good player is a good player. 
Vince Young had a much better NFL body especially for a scrambler. Lamar Jackson is too skinny for a running QB in the NFL.  His career will be like Robert Griffin lll.  Expect a major injury next season.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Vince Young had a much better NFL body especially for a scrambler. Lamar Jackson is too skinny for a running QB in the NFL.  His career will be like Robert Griffin lll.  Expect a major injury next season.

Hey I had a disagreement with someone on here about RGIII when he first came out and said I thought he was big enough.  Turned I was dead wrong.  lol 

Despite that, I'll say again that 6-3, 212 is big enough, particularly with the rules protecting today's QBs.  They might as well be wearing skirts.   

Now watch him tear up his knee is week one.  lol
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 11, 2019, 02:45:47 PM
Hey I had a disagreement with someone on here about RGIII when he first came out and said I thought he was big enough.  Turned I was dead wrong.  lol 

Despite that, I'll say again that 6-3, 212 is big enough, particularly with the rules protecting today's QBs.  They might as well be wearing skirts.   

Now watch him tear up his knee is week one.  lol
Yeah, for a QB who is a pocket passer like Tom Brady the rules protect them much more now.  When they leave the pocket they get hurt and the more they run the odds add up.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Mario Williams. 

The competition and his numbers provide context.  It's like saying a crappy bodybuilder won his division without mentioning that there were only two other competitors who also looked like crap. 

Regardless, I don't see a hint of Vince Young in Lamar Jackson.  Vince Young wasn't even a great college QB IMO.  He was a beast in the "national championship" game against USC, but didn't have near the ridiculous numbers Jackson had in college.  Nor was he anywhere near as impressive as an NFL rookie. 

many people have said vince young is the best college player they ever saw, i know lloyd carr is one

i take him over jackson in college every day of the week, jason white had great college numbers too and he won the heisman, numbers aren't everything

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 06:18:09 PM
Yeah, for a QB who is a pocket passer like Tom Brady the rules protect them much more now.  When they leave the pocket they get hurt and the more they run the odds add up.

I agree although even when they leave the pocket they are not really treated like a running back.  You have to ease up if the QB makes any kind of attempt to slide. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
many people have said vince young is the best college player they ever saw, i know lloyd carr is one

i take him over jackson in college every day of the week, jason white had great college numbers too and he won the heisman, numbers aren't everything

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Who are those "many people"?  He's definitely not the best college player I've ever seen.  Not even close.  That would be Barry Sanders, who looked like a video game his last year.  I can think of numerous college players who looked better than Vince Young.    

I agree numbers aren't everything and can be taken out of context, but I watched both of them play.  In this instance, the numbers and the eye test confirm that Jackson was a freak.  Not so much for Vince Young, except for the game against USC where he looked like Super Man.    
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2019, 07:51:53 PM
Who are those "many people"?  He's definitely not the best college player I've ever seen.  Not even close.  That would be Barry Sanders, who looked like a video game his last year.  I can think of numerous college players who looked batter than Vince Young.   

I agree numbers aren't everything and can be taken out of context, but I watched both of them play.  In this instance, the numbers and the eye test confirm that Jackson was a freak.  Not so much for Vince Young, except for the game against USC where he looked like Super Man.     

i assume the only game you watched was the usc game because he looked like a freak in every game, the michigan game where lloyd carr said that was a full year before the usc game

you are the first person i've ever heard claim jackson looked better, young went number 3 overall jackson was the last pick of the first round and even then was considered a reach by most so it's a safe bet the nfl guys agree with me :)

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2019, 08:54:06 PM
i assume the only game you watched was the usc game because he looked like a freak in every game, the michigan game where lloyd carr said that was a full year before the usc game

you are the first person i've ever heard claim jackson looked better, young went number 3 overall jackson was the last pick of the first round and even then was considered a reach by most so it's a safe bet the nfl guys agree with me :)

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You are the first person I've ever heard claim "many people" believe Vince Young was the greatest player in college football history.  Nonsense.  Outside of the USC game, Vince really didn't touch what Jackson accomplished at Louisville.   

Wait, you're using a player's draft position to determine whether a player was a stud college player?  That is laugh out loud funny.  In the Niners thread you're trying to claim there is no reasonable dispute that Brady is the GOAT. The same Brady who was drafted in the 6th round.  lol  Yeah those "NFL guys" are all over it.   lol
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 12, 2019, 12:12:56 PM
You are the first person I've ever heard claim "many people" believe Vince Young was the greatest player in college football history.  Nonsense.  Outside of the USC game, Vince really didn't touch what Jackson accomplished at Louisville.   

Wait, you're using a player's draft position to determine whether a player was a stud college player?  That is laugh out loud funny.  In the Niners thread you're trying to claim there is no reasonable dispute that Brady is the GOAT. The same Brady who was drafted in the 6th round.  lol  Yeah those "NFL guys" are all over it.   lol

of course i'm the first because you clearly don't pay attention to anybody's thoughts outside of your own

outside of the usc game?  ah dude you do realize that was the national title game against a usc team espn was comparing to the best teams of all time?  what jackson won the heisman?  everybody knows vince should've won and jackson's competition was no reggie bush

the draft position means the nfl thought young was better, we are comparing them as college players

let me know when jackson wins 5 super bowls so we can compare him to brady being a 6th rounder, heck both were better college players than brady it's a different game

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2019, 04:52:47 PM
of course i'm the first because you clearly don't pay attention to anybody's thoughts outside of your own

outside of the usc game?  ah dude you do realize that was the national title game against a usc team espn was comparing to the best teams of all time?  what jackson won the heisman?  everybody knows vince should've won and jackson's competition was no reggie bush

the draft position means the nfl thought young was better, we are comparing them as college players

let me know when jackson wins 5 super bowls so we can compare him to brady being a 6th rounder, heck both were better college players than brady it's a different game

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Draft position is pretty meaningless.  Where was Russell Wilson drafted?  Why didn't Pat Mahomes go no. 1 overall?  Why was Alex Smith taken first overall and Aaron Rogers late in the first of the same draft?  Yeah those "NFL guys" are money.   ::)  

In any event, give me a link or identify the "many people" you are talking about who said Vince Young was the greatest player in college football history.  
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 14, 2019, 07:32:28 PM
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Draft position is pretty meaningless.  Where was Russell Wilson drafted?  Why didn't Pat Mahomes go no. 1 overall?  Why was Alex Smith taken first overall and Aaron Rogers late in the first of the same draft?  Yeah those "NFL guys" are money.   ::)  

In any event, give me a link or identify the "many people" you are talking about who said Vince Young was the greatest player in college football history.  

so you're going to use the few exceptions to the rule to prove your point?  for every russel wilson there are dozens of nate peterman's

i gave you one name, lloyd carr a national champion and has coached with and against some amazing players including coaching tom brady, what coincidence michigan fell into mediocrity when he was forced into retirement

also FS1 analyst joel klatt said the same thing on speak for yourself

they said he was the best college qb they ever saw

now who other than you said jackson was better?

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 15, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
so you're going to use the few exceptions to the rule to prove your point?  for every russel wilson there are dozens of nate peterman's

i gave you one name, lloyd carr a national champion and has coached with and against some amazing players including coaching tom brady, what coincidence michigan fell into mediocrity when he was forced into retirement

also FS1 analyst joel klatt said the same thing on speak for yourself

they said he was the best college qb they ever saw

now who other than you said jackson was better?

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It's not a few exceptions and there is no rule.  Those "NFL guys" are wrong every year.  They get a lot right, but miss horribly in every draft.  You are the one who used draft position to support an argument that Vince Young was a great QB.  Horrible argument. 

Wait, you give me two names?  You said this:

many people have said vince young is the best college player they ever saw, i know lloyd carr is one

i take him over jackson in college every day of the week, jason white had great college numbers too and he won the heisman, numbers aren't everything

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Who are the "many people"?   You have given me two names. 

I don't have names of anyone saying Lamar Jackson was the "best college player they ever saw."  But I haven't looked for them, and he's not the best college player I've ever seen anyway.  That is Barry Sanders as I already stated. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 16, 2019, 03:09:08 PM
It's not a few exceptions and there is no rule.  Those "NFL guys" are wrong every year.  They get a lot right, but miss horribly in every draft.  You are the one who used draft position to support an argument that Vince Young was a great QB.  Horrible argument. 

Wait, you give me two names?  You said this:

Who are the "many people"?   You have given me two names. 

I don't have names of anyone saying Lamar Jackson was the "best college player they ever saw."  But I haven't looked for them, and he's not the best college player I've ever seen anyway.  That is Barry Sanders as I already stated. 

young was a great college qb, that is not debatable

he was drafted much higher than jackson and was rated higher than jackson as a prospect, as evidenced by his draft spot

you haven't looked because you know they don't exist, you argue for the sake of arguing

and i'm not naming every single nobody i've heard say young was the best college qb they ever saw, i gave two names and that's two more than you can name for jackson

yes the nfl is wrong all the time, i promise they will be wrong about jackson too, he makes young sound like a rocket scientist

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 16, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
young was a great college qb, that is not debatable

he was drafted much higher than jackson and was rated higher than jackson as a prospect, as evidenced by his draft spot

you haven't looked because you know they don't exist, you argue for the sake of arguing

and i'm not naming every single nobody i've heard say young was the best college qb they ever saw, i gave two names and that's two more than you can name for jackson

yes the nfl is wrong all the time, i promise they will be wrong about jackson too, he makes young sound like a rocket scientist

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Draft position is irrelevant, but that's clearly going over your head.  

I'm not looking for something you pulled out of your rear end.  YOU are the one making the comparison.  I frankly don't give a rip.  I was just asking you to support the claim you made about "many people" who say Vince Young was the best college football player in history, which is obviously exaggerated.

I have no idea if Jackson will be a great pro, but then again I'm a mature adult who is capable of keeping an open mind.  I would never make a promise about something that is completely outside of my control and based on factors that I could not possibly predict.    
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 17, 2019, 05:34:28 PM
Draft position is irrelevant, but that's clearly going over your head.  

I'm not looking for something you pulled out of your rear end.  YOU are the one making the comparison.  I frankly don't give a rip.  I was just asking you to support the claim you made about "many people" who say Vince Young was the best college football player in history, which is obviously exaggerated.

I have no idea if Jackson will be a great pro, but then again I'm a mature adult who is capable of keeping an open mind.  I would never make a promise about something that is completely outside of my control and based on factors that I could not possibly predict.    

it's not irrelevant in a conversation of two similar college players, vince was drafted much higher which means he was considered a better player by the people that get paid to know

i gave you two names you would know of, why bother listing a bunch of names you won't know?  ok john smith said he was the best college qb he ever saw ::)

a mature adult would be confident enough to make a proper assessment on a players abilities, sorry you can't relate

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2019, 06:20:39 PM
it's not irrelevant in a conversation of two similar college players, vince was drafted much higher which means he was considered a better player by the people that get paid to know

i gave you two names you would know of, why bother listing a bunch of names you won't know?  ok john smith said he was the best college qb he ever saw ::)

a mature adult would be confident enough to make a proper assessment on a players abilities, sorry you can't relate

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The fact you think you can predict, with certainty, how an NFL career will turn out says all we need to know.  

Also, there are many things that dictate draft position:  ability, production, conference, off-the-field issues, measurables, combine performance, private workouts, who else is in the draft at the player's position, etc.  More reasons why draft position does not dictate whether a player is or will be a great player.  

I remember when JaMarcus Russell was drafted first overall, in large part because of his measurables and the fact he could throw a football nearly the length of the field from knees.   ::)  I can't believe I'm even debating this.   :-\  
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 17, 2019, 07:56:05 PM
The fact you think you can predict, with certainty, how an NFL career will turn out says all we need to know.  

Also, there are many things that dictate draft position:  ability, production, conference, off-the-field issues, measurables, combine performance, private workouts, who else is in the draft at the player's position, etc.  More reasons why draft position does not dictate whether a player is or will be a great player.  

I remember when JaMarcus Russell was drafted first overall, in large part because of his measurables and the fact he could throw a football nearly the length of the field from knees.   ::)  I can't believe I'm even debating this.   :-\  

when a QB needs a high school offense, isn't an accurate passer, seems to have the IQ of a potato, and his biggest weapon is his legs yes i can predict how his career will turn out, he has zero qualities of a long term franchise QB

young was the same way but he was the better prospect coming out of college

i could've told you jamarcus would bust too, he was not the same type of qb as jackson and young their only similarity is being black

i can't believe you are debating this either because you clearly no shit, maybe you should shut up

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
when a QB needs a high school offense, isn't an accurate passer, seems to have the IQ of a potato, and his biggest weapon is his legs yes i can predict how his career will turn out, he has zero qualities of a long term franchise QB

young was the same way but he was the better prospect coming out of college

i could've told you jamarcus would bust too, he was not the same type of qb as jackson and young their only similarity is being black

i can't believe you are debating this either because you clearly no shit, maybe you should shut up

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Your predictions and your communication skills are juvenile.  What are you 12 years old??   
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on January 21, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
Your predictions and your communication skills are juvenile.  What are you 12 years old??   

haha you are so owned 8)

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on January 22, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on April 01, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
Iím excited to see what he can do this year, but am cautious with the optimism. I figure they get a few years out of him and he doesnít make it past the end of his rookie deal.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 08, 2019, 11:17:24 AM
Playing very well for the first half of this game. Had Hollywood Brown riding the bench on my FFB team. Didnít play him because I knew it was a homer pick. But...
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on September 11, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
Playing very well for the first half of this game. Had Hollywood Brown riding the bench on my FFB team. Didnít play him because I knew it was a homer pick. But...

Played excellent and was voted AFC player of the week. I'm not sold on Lamar being an upper tier quarterback just yet....But he's only 22 years old with a lot of upside.

And for those people that think he's stupid, based on the way he talks....he's a country boy from deep south. Loads of smart, successful people living down that way talk with that sharp southern drawl. I've said it once and I'll say it again. You CANNOT be stupid and have a successful NFL career, especially not at the QB position. Lamar looks like he's going to be a good one but it's still too early to really tell. I worry about his fumbling the most.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 11, 2019, 10:17:21 AM
Played excellent and was voted AFC player of the week. I'm not sold on Lamar being an upper tier quarterback just yet....But he's only 22 years old with a lot of upside.

And for those people that think he's stupid, based on the way he talks....he's a country boy from deep south. Loads of smart, successful people living down that way talk with that sharp southern drawl. I've said it once and I'll say it again. You CANNOT be stupid and have a successful NFL career, especially not at the QB position. Lamar looks like he's going to be a good one but it's still too early to really tell. I worry about his fumbling the most.
90% of the players in the NFL are stupid.  To piss through millions like they do is very stupid.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on September 11, 2019, 12:43:06 PM
90% of the players in the NFL are stupid.  To piss through millions like they do is very stupid.

I'm equating intelligence with the ability to perform on the field. Pick up an NFL playbook and flip through it one time, if given the chance. Besides, I know plenty of smart people who are not good with money.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 11, 2019, 12:55:22 PM
I'm equating intelligence with the ability to perform on the field. Pick up an NFL playbook and flip through it one time, if given the chance. Besides, I know plenty of smart people who are not good with money.
They have put all of their time and energy into football so of course they will know plays in a playbook which are basically the same with every team just terminology is different.  I used to live in Vegas and met many former and current pro athletes and most are dumb as stumps.  Smart people do not piss away millions with no thought of the future.  One of the tells of an unintelligent person is the lack of future thinking and impulsive decision making.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on September 11, 2019, 01:10:58 PM
They have put all of their time and energy into football so of course they will know plays in a playbook which are basically the same with every team just terminology is different.  I used to live in Vegas and met many former and current pro athletes and most are dumb as stumps.  Smart people do not piss away millions with no thought of the future.  One of the tells of an unintelligent person is the lack of future thinking and impulsive decision making.

Ok, anyway....Lamar Jackson isn't dumb.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
Very impressive start. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2019, 04:11:20 PM
"Baltimore quarterback Lamar Jackson led the charge and became the first player in the Super Bowl era to amass more than 200 yards passing and at least 150 yards rushing in a regular season game. Jackson completed 21 of 33 pass attempts for 236 yards. He also had 19 carries for 152 yards rushing with a touchdown."

https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/ravens-bengals-what-we-learned/
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 21, 2019, 09:56:37 AM
Lamar is special. He's only 22 years old and only going to get better. His performance against Seattle was a statement game. I always worry about him taking hits while running the ball but man....he is so fast in the open field. And to see it live as opposed to watching it on TV....Crazy fast. Not to mention that he is a good person, a good kid. Humble and always hard working. I love the future of my Ravens moving forward...
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 21, 2019, 10:48:56 AM
Lamar is special. He's only 22 years old and only going to get better. His performance against Seattle was a statement game. I always worry about him taking hits while running the ball but man....he is so fast in the open field. And to see it live as opposed to watching it on TV....Crazy fast. Not to mention that he is a good person, a good kid. Humble and always hard working. I love the future of my Ravens moving forward...
Runs too much.  Will end up like RG3 and other running QB's who start breaking down physically.  He is good right now but he will not be doing this 2-3 years from now.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Grape Ape on October 21, 2019, 03:11:23 PM
Lamar is special. He's only 22 years old and only going to get better. His performance against Seattle was a statement game. I always worry about him taking hits while running the ball but man....he is so fast in the open field. And to see it live as opposed to watching it on TV....Crazy fast. Not to mention that he is a good person, a good kid. Humble and always hard working. I love the future of my Ravens moving forward...

Just beat NE this year.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 22, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
Runs too much.  Will end up like RG3 and other running QB's who start breaking down physically.  He is good right now but he will not be doing this 2-3 years from now.

I somewhat agree. I cringe sometimes when he takes off and chooses to run between the tackles. But he's more electrifying in the open field than Vick or RG3 ever was. If he stays healthy, he definitely will run for 1200 yards or more this season.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 22, 2019, 08:04:55 AM
Just beat NE this year.

They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Grape Ape on October 22, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.

It takes a defense and pressure on Brady.  Buffalo showed that.

NE has literally played the equivalent of college teams for all their games.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on October 22, 2019, 09:22:16 AM
Runs too much.  Will end up like RG3 and other running QB's who start breaking down physically.  He is good right now but he will not be doing this 2-3 years from now.

Or he could have a very long career like Randall Cunningham and Steve Young. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 22, 2019, 10:07:42 AM
Or he could have a very long career like Randall Cunningham and Steve Young. 
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 22, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.

I agree he has to be more accurate. But usually a high accuracy is something you can't teach. But if he can eventually stay between 62%-68%, I'd be happy with that and that would translate to success for him. But he's hell on wheels in the open field. You have to see it in person at a game to believe how lightening fast he is.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 22, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
It takes a defense and pressure on Brady.  Buffalo showed that.

NE has literally played the equivalent of college teams for all their games.


Yeah..the problem is that the Ravens have an average pass rush, at best. Brady is exactly the type of QB that will make you pay dearly if you give him too much time in the pocket. Acquiring Marcus Peters last week was a great move but even if you have elite talent in your secondary, any QB in the NFL can find the open man if given too much time to throw.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on October 22, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
the next kaepernick, minus the SJW nonsense

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on October 22, 2019, 03:56:15 PM
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.

He is completing 63 percent, up from 58 last year. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 23, 2019, 02:30:20 AM
He is completing 63 percent, up from 58 last year. 
That's good.  If he is going to be a long term QB in the league he has to cut back on his running.  QB's like him usually 2 or 3 years and fizzle out or get injured.  Vince Young, Cam Newton and RGIII come to mind.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 23, 2019, 06:43:27 AM
the next kaepernick, minus the SJW nonsense

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Not even close, Earl. I see very little comparison between the two players.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Earl1972 on October 23, 2019, 01:06:07 PM
Not even close, Earl. I see very little comparison between the two players.

i just don't see him sustaining success for long

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on October 24, 2019, 07:10:26 AM
i just don't see him sustaining success for long

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Why? Because of injury? If yes, I would agree with you. But I've noticed that the vast majority of QB's injured this year were standing in the pocket instead of running. As far as Lamar goes, you have to be able to hit him first before you can injure him. That's a tall order when he's running in the open field. He's faster than Kaepernick, RG3, Cunningham, or Vick ever was.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 03, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.

Doing well thus far, except the Jones muffed punt that may change things. Iíll revisit.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2019, 08:21:57 AM
I watched the second half of the NE game.  Jackson was very impressive.  Great poise.  Good accuracy.  Good decision making. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 10, 2019, 04:21:15 PM
Week 10 stat line....243 pass yards...3 pass touchdowns...74 rush yards...1 TD.....317 total yards...4 touchdowns....This boy is nasty..the truth!
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 11, 2019, 04:17:53 AM
Week 10 stat line....243 pass yards...3 pass touchdowns...74 rush yards...1 TD.....317 total yards...4 touchdowns....This boy is nasty..the truth!

No doubt. Iím not sure at what point the fans start to ďbelieveĒ because weíve all seen this movies before with Vick, RGIII, Cam etc. Unless, we havenít really seen it before and heís a special athlete.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: IroNat on November 11, 2019, 04:24:54 AM
Why? Because of injury? If yes, I would agree with you. But I've noticed that the vast majority of QB's injured this year were standing in the pocket instead of running. As far as Lamar goes, you have to be able to hit him first before you can injure him. That's a tall order when he's running in the open field. He's faster than Kaepernick, RG3, Cunningham, or Vick ever was.

He's not faster than Vick was.

Vick ran a 4.25 40 in his prime.

Jackson is amazing though,
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 11, 2019, 07:54:54 AM
He's not faster than Vick was.

Vick ran a 4.25 40 in his prime.

Jackson is amazing though,


I bet you his straight line speed is slightly faster than Vick's was. He's also more agile than Vick was, especially in the open field. He's making NFL top athletes look foolish with his juke moves.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Grape Ape on November 11, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Ravens looking like a legit threat to the AFC championship right now.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: IroNat on November 11, 2019, 11:51:47 AM
I bet you his straight line speed is slightly faster than Vick's was. He's also more agile than Vick was, especially in the open field. He's making NFL top athletes look foolish with his juke moves.

Vick was super-human in his prime.  Not of this Earth.  The fastest man in the NFL.  Mercury in cleats.

Jackson is damn good though.  No question about it.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 11, 2019, 01:26:09 PM
Ravens looking like a legit threat to the AFC championship right now.

I like your optimism. But a lack of a pass rush is the Achilles heel for the Ravens. Only 2 sacks against the worst offensive line in football and a rookie QB. Tough tests coming up. Texans, Rams, 49ers, Bills. If they go 3-1 or better during that stretch then yes...they are a legitimate contender for the AFC title.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 11, 2019, 03:03:07 PM
I like your optimism. But a lack of a pass rush is the Achilles heel for the Ravens. Only 2 sacks against the worst offensive line in football and a rookie QB. Tough tests coming up. Texans, Rams, 49ers, Bills. If they go 3-1 or better during that stretch then yes...they are a legitimate contender for the AFC title.

I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Grape Ape on November 12, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.

Misspelling "jinx" might be the biggest jinx ever.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 12, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.

Bro, I don't care how good your secondary is, if you give the QB all day to throw, I don't care if it's Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, he will find the open man and make you pay.

I realize the pass rush doesn't have to be great, but it's not even good. It's barely average unless they send multiple blitzes behind the D-linemen. But I like your optimism...I'm hoping the D can keep improving from week to week moving forward.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2019, 05:37:00 PM
Bro, I don't care how good your secondary is, if you give the QB all day to throw, I don't care if it's Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, he will find the open man and make you pay.

I realize the pass rush doesn't have to be great, but it's not even good. It's barely average unless they send multiple blitzes behind the D-linemen. But I like your optimism...I'm hoping the D can keep improving from week to week moving forward.

Truth.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 17, 2019, 01:42:27 PM
Running out of superlatives to describe how good this kid is.....17/24 222 yards 4 TD passes. 9 carries 86 yards. MVP!
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2019, 09:50:21 AM
Running out of superlatives to describe how good this kid is.....17/24 222 yards 4 TD passes. 9 carries 86 yards. MVP!

Watched most of the game yesterday and I have to agree.  Really impressive.  He's not just a running QB.  Total package. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 25, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
Thread title modified to reflect the truth.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2019, 11:47:03 PM
Thread title modified to reflect the truth.

Didn't see the game but the stats are off the chain. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/game/2142259/box-score
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 26, 2019, 10:36:57 AM
Thread title modified to reflect the truth.

Well done. Was getting annoyed seeing Vince Young's name.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 26, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
Well done. Was getting annoyed seeing Vince Young's name.

Going to any games this year? Iím headed to the San Fran game next weekend. Been to plenty of games and never seen them lose at home. Looking forward to this one, havenít been since the Thursday night game against the Browns after Trump got elected.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 27, 2019, 09:01:43 AM
Going to any games this year? Iím headed to the San Fran game next weekend. Been to plenty of games and never seen them lose at home. Looking forward to this one, havenít been since the Thursday night game against the Browns after Trump got elected.

I'm likely going to the Steelers game which is the last one on the schedule in Baltimore. Hopefully, the Ravens have at least a #2 seed locked up with nothing to play for.(except for the #1 seed) Going to a game at M&T is a great experience. I loved it when I was younger with season tickets. The only complaint I ever had was the traffic leaving the city. A lot of times, I had to leave by the end of the 3rd quarter to guarantee no traffic but that compromised the amount of money spent on the tickets. Have a great time and Go Ravens!
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 28, 2019, 07:17:22 AM
I'm likely going to the Steelers game which is the last one on the schedule in Baltimore. Hopefully, the Ravens have at least a #2 seed locked up with nothing to play for.(except for the #1 seed) Going to a game at M&T is a great experience. I loved it when I was younger with season tickets. The only complaint I ever had was the traffic leaving the city. A lot of times, I had to leave by the end of the 3rd quarter to guarantee no traffic but that compromised the amount of money spent on the tickets. Have a great time and Go Ravens!

I usually just crash at the Holiday Inn on Russel St and walk to the game and leave Monday.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
I think the Ravens should use the "load management" tactic used in the NBA and rest Lamar Jackson this week.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
What the heck man?  Doesn't Harbaugh read this board??  He was supposed to rest Jackson on Sunday.   >:(
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 02, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
He took a lot of hits yesterday.  They better figure out how to keep him healthy throughout the playoffs or they will be an early out.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
He took a lot of hits yesterday.  They better figure out how to keep him healthy throughout the playoffs or they will be an early out.

I don't think he's going to face another defense like the Niners for the rest of the regular season. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on December 03, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
I don't think he's going to face another defense like the Niners for the rest of the regular season. 

It's a week to week league. Buffalo Bills will be tough on the road. And never count out the Steelers. They could wind up winning 10 games and sneaking in and making noise. Great front seven on defense.

Lamar did take some hits running inside. I would prefer not see these designed inside runs by Lamar, moving forward. Too risky.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 03, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
It's a week to week league. Buffalo Bills will be tough on the road. And never count out the Steelers. They could wind up winning 10 games and sneaking in and making noise. Great front seven on defense.

Lamar did take some hits running inside. I would prefer not see these designed inside runs by Lamar, moving forward. Too risky.

Definitely a risk to have so many designed running plays, but it didn't look like he took a lot of direct hits.  He's a freak. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2019, 08:37:12 PM
Tonight's line:  15 for 23 for 212 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTS, 8 carries for 86 yards.  Ten game winning streak.  Yeah, he's the NFL MVP. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Lamar Jackson Breaks Michael Vick's Rushing Record vs. Jets
BEN PICKMAN  DEC 12, 2019
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/12/13/lamar-jackson-breaks-michael-vick-rushing-record?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_si&fbclid=IwAR0af_sF6McpUUcgbNAShRS1cyQmJHCzCA2cjBySZ28Sk7PNtmnMTB0YEsA
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 13, 2019, 03:35:58 AM
The train keeps rolling. Very impressive stat line last night.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: IroNat on December 13, 2019, 04:47:53 AM
Jackson is smart.  He runs to the sideline to avoid hits.

Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 25, 2019, 11:38:40 AM
Lamar Jackson gives his offensive linemen Rolexes to thank them for his record-breaking season
Jackson set several NFL records with the help of the big guys up front, so he paid them back
by Jared Dubin   
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lamar-jackson-gives-his-offensive-linemen-rolexes-to-thank-them-for-his-record-breaking-season/
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 26, 2019, 02:34:14 AM
Lamar Jackson gives his offensive linemen Rolexes to thank them for his record-breaking season
Jackson set several NFL records with the help of the big guys up front, so he paid them back
by Jared Dubin   
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lamar-jackson-gives-his-offensive-linemen-rolexes-to-thank-them-for-his-record-breaking-season/

Not smart to spend that much money when he's on his first contract and will probably never see a big 2nd contract because of his QB style running all the time.  Should have taken them out to dinner to thank them.  He will be broke in 10 years.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Grape Ape on December 26, 2019, 08:56:11 AM
Not smart to spend that much money when he's on his first contract and will probably never see a big 2nd contract because of his QB style running all the time.  Should have taken them out to dinner to thank them.  He will be broke in 10 years.

He's guaranteed like 12.5M.

25k on Rolexes for his teammates isn't going to mean anything.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 26, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
He's guaranteed like 12.5M.

25k on Rolexes for his teammates isn't going to mean anything.
80% of NFL players are bankrupt within 2 years of retirement.  If he spends money like this on his lineman imagine what he spends on himself, hommies, baby mommas and kids.  Don't forget taxes.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Grape Ape on December 26, 2019, 11:49:22 AM
80% of NFL players are bankrupt within 2 years of retirement.  If he spends money like this on his lineman imagine what he spends on himself, hommies, baby mommas and kids.  Don't forget taxes.

I doubt the 80% are based on spending, and moreso of lack of employment after, and not getting $ anywhere close to what Jackson got.

Investing in your linemen is smart business anyway, and could lead to even bigger $.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 12:01:21 PM
80% of NFL players are bankrupt within 2 years of retirement.  If he spends money like this on his lineman imagine what he spends on himself, hommies, baby mommas and kids.  Don't forget taxes.

It's a common practice for skill position players to reward their O-linemen.  I don't think this says anything about his fiscal responsibility.  If he's banging out kids with multiple women, hanging out at clubs all night, and spending his money on personal bling, then you'll have a point. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2019, 02:59:08 AM
I doubt the 80% are based on spending, and moreso of lack of employment after, and not getting $ anywhere close to what Jackson got.

Investing in your linemen is smart business anyway, and could lead to even bigger $.
Lack of employment after????  A person making millions should never have to work again!
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on December 27, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Not smart to spend that much money when he's on his first contract and will probably never see a big 2nd contract because of his QB style running all the time.  Should have taken them out to dinner to thank them.  He will be broke in 10 years.

Are you seriously out of your mind? In 2021, Lamar is going to command the mother of all contracts. He will make somewhere close to 30 million annually with as much as 100+ million guaranteed. He is going to make enough money for his next couple generations. His O-line earned those watches.

Are you aware that he's leading the NFL in touchdown passes? He's not just a running QB. Know your facts about my QB before you speak up. He's a good kid who's humble and works very hard to be in the position he's in. He doesn't have kids or an entourage. His manager and agent is his mother.

Very naive comments by you.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2019, 11:11:15 AM
Are you seriously out of your mind? In 2021, Lamar is going to command the mother of all contracts. He will make somewhere close to 30 million annually with as much as 100+ million guaranteed. He is going to make enough money for his next couple generations. His O-line earned those watches.

Are you aware that he's leading the NFL in touchdown passes? He's not just a running QB. Know your facts about my QB before you speak up. He's a good kid who's humble and works very hard to be in the position he's in. He doesn't have kids or an entourage. His manager and agent is his mother.

Very naive comments by you.
He is on his 1st contract which is for 4 years.  That contract would be up after the 2021 season.  There is a LOOOOONG way to go before then.  A running QB is not going to make it very long in the league, they never do.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on December 27, 2019, 12:40:11 PM
He is on his 1st contract which is for 4 years.  That contract would be up after the 2021 season.  There is a LOOOOONG way to go before then.  A running QB is not going to make it very long in the league, they never do.

The Ravens will not wait until the end of the 2021 season to extend him. He will be extended after the 2020 season. He passed for over 3,000 yards and 36 PASSING touchdowns. That doesn't sound like a running QB to me despite his rushing yardage.

Steve Young and Randall Cunningham were running QB's and both had long, prolific careers. Michael Vick also played 10 years so your theory is incorrect.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2019, 01:12:01 PM
The Ravens will not wait until the end of the 2021 season to extend him. He will be extended after the 2020 season. He passed for over 3,000 yards and 36 PASSING touchdowns. That doesn't sound like a running QB to me despite his rushing yardage.

Steve Young and Randall Cunningham were running QB's and both had long, prolific careers. Michael Vick also played 10 years so your theory is incorrect.
True, the Ravens will probably extend him early which is usually a mistake.  Remember Joe Flacco?  Steve Young is the only one you mentioned who ever won a Super Bowl.  Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick are perfect examples of players the sports media said would take over the NFL but were actually disappointments.  Cunningham actually had more success when he went to the Vikings (got to the NFC Championship Game) than he did in his running days of Philly.  After Vick's first season beating the Packers at Lambeau Field he never had that kind of success again.

Lamar Jackson may end up being better than all of them but let's not anoint him yet.  He hasn't won anything yet.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 28, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
True, the Ravens will probably extend him early which is usually a mistake.  Remember Joe Flacco?  Steve Young is the only one you mentioned who ever won a Super Bowl.  Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick are perfect examples of players the sports media said would take over the NFL but were actually disappointments.  Cunningham actually had more success when he went to the Vikings (got to the NFC Championship Game) than he did in his running days of Philly.  After Vick's first season beating the Packers at Lambeau Field he never had that kind of success again.

Lamar Jackson may end up being better than all of them but let's not anoint him yet.  He hasn't won anything yet.

The Ravens didnít extend Flacco early, just the opposite happened and it cost them. I say Lamar looks to be checking all of the right boxes at this point, and I hope he has a long career. Check his stat line for this year. If you went passing stats alone heíd still make the Pro Bowl. I wasnít a believer either, check my initial thread title of this thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 28, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
The Ravens didnít extend Flacco early, just the opposite happened and it cost them. I say Lamar looks to be checking all of the right boxes at this point, and I hope he has a long career. Check his stat line for this year. If you went passing stats alone heíd still make the Pro Bowl. I wasnít a believer either, check my initial thread title of this thread.  ;D
He had a great year and should be MVP this year I am not disputing that.  I still want to see what he does in the playoffs and the coming seasons.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on December 28, 2019, 09:40:38 AM
True, the Ravens will probably extend him early which is usually a mistake.  Remember Joe Flacco?  Steve Young is the only one you mentioned who ever won a Super Bowl.  Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick are perfect examples of players the sports media said would take over the NFL but were actually disappointments.  Cunningham actually had more success when he went to the Vikings (got to the NFC Championship Game) than he did in his running days of Philly.  After Vick's first season beating the Packers at Lambeau Field he never had that kind of success again.

Lamar Jackson may end up being better than all of them but let's not anoint him yet.  He hasn't won anything yet.

If you measure disappointment by not winning a super bowl, then yes, I would agree with you. But I would not call Vick and Cunningham's careers as unsuccessful. My Opinion.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 12, 2020, 02:13:44 AM
Tennessee 28
Baltimore  12

 ::) I'm impressed.  ::)
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 13, 2020, 08:11:08 AM
Tennessee 28
Baltimore  12

 ::) I'm impressed.  ::)

Ravens got outplayed and out coached. Too overconfident. But the future is bright in Baltimore.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Grape Ape on January 13, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
The kid is 22.

I don't buy any bullshit that he will be a perennial poor performer in the playoffs.

It takes time for them to gain the maturity and slow the game down when the playoffs happen.

Shit, even Peyton Manning got too hyped up.

He'll be great next year.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 13, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
The kid is 22.

I don't buy any bullshit that he will be a perennial poor performer in the playoffs.

It takes time for them to gain the maturity and slow the game down when the playoffs happen.

Shit, even Peyton Manning got too hyped up.

He'll be great next year.
He won't be better than this year.  RG3 2.0.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Earl1972 on January 13, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
i don't see him reaching the same level again

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 13, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
i don't see him reaching the same level again

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You standing by this?

the next kaepernick, minus the SJW nonsense

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 13, 2020, 05:11:32 PM
Definitely not his finest hour and the three turnovers were a killer, but still was 31-56 for 365, 1 TD, 2 INTs, and ran 20 times for 143 yards. 

For the season:  265 for 401, 3127 yards, 36 TDs, 6 INTs, 176 carries for 1206, 7 TDs. 

He basically did this season what he was doing in college.  Pretty impressive. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Earl1972 on January 13, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
You standing by this?


yep

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 13, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
yep

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I don't see much of a comparison.  Kaepernick never did what Jackson has done.  I've now watched Jackson play several games in the NFL.  Jackson is head and shoulders better than Kaepernick.  More accurate, better pocket presence, better decision making, faster, more mobile, etc.  Not even close. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Earl1972 on January 13, 2020, 09:26:03 PM
I don't see much of a comparison.  Kaepernick never did what Jackson has done.  I've now watched Jackson play several games in the NFL.  Jackson is head and shoulders better than Kaepernick.  More accurate, better pocket presence, better decision making, faster, more mobile, etc.  Not even close. 

kaepernick made it to a super bowl and an nfc title game

when i compared them i meant both started off well, but it won't last

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Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 14, 2020, 07:18:16 AM
kaepernick made it to a super bowl and an nfc title game

when i compared them i meant both started off well, but it won't last

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2 NFC title games and a superbowl to be exact. I'm inclined to agree with you on him not attaining the same level again. I'm not a Lamar hater, but the NFL has a way of adapting and adjusting to the latest flash in the pan.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
kaepernick made it to a super bowl and an nfc title game

when i compared them i meant both started off well, but it won't last

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Yes I watched pretty much all of Kaepernick's games with the Niners.  I also saw him when he was at Nevada whenever they played in Hawaii.  Great athlete, but I was never impressed with his QB abilities at Nevada and thought he would have to make a believer out of me in the NFL.  He did for a couple seasons at SF, but even at his best he was not as good as what I saw from Jackson this season.  If you actually watch both of them play, there really isn't much of a comparison.  Kaepernick was a one read and run QB.  Jackson can actually go through his progression and perform exceptionally well in the pocket.     
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 09:53:15 AM
2 NFC title games and a superbowl to be exact. I'm inclined to agree with you on him not attaining the same level again. I'm not a Lamar hater, but the NFL has a way of adapting and adjusting to the latest flash in the pan.

Adjust to what?  It's not like if you put 8 men in the box and take away his running lanes that he cannot beat teams through the air.  His pocket presence, decision making, and accuracy are terrific.  The only thing that will slow him down is injuries IMO. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 14, 2020, 10:41:47 AM
Adjust to what?  It's not like if you put 8 men in the box and take away his running lanes that he cannot beat teams through the air.  His pocket presence, decision making, and accuracy are terrific.  The only thing that will slow him down is injuries IMO. 

Teams eventually adjusted to Colin Kapernick to the point that he eventually was demoted to play behind Blaine Gabbert.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 11:04:44 AM
Teams eventually adjusted to Colin Kapernick to the point that he eventually was demoted to play behind Blaine Gabbert.

They adjusted to Kaepernick because he was unable to go through his progression, wasn't nearly as accurate, and had horrible pocket presence.  So if you take away his ability to run, he is a very average QB.  Not true of Jackson. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 14, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
They adjusted to Kaepernick because he was unable to go through his progression, wasn't nearly as accurate, and had horrible pocket presence.  So if you take away his ability to run, he is a very average QB.  Not true of Jackson. 

I like your enthusiasm, being that I'm a Ravens fan. But I wasn't too reassured about his ability to step it up in big games after watching that playoff loss. Didn't like his body language throughout the entire game, much less the stupid grinning on the sideline after each turnover he made.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2020, 10:03:12 PM
I like your enthusiasm, being that I'm a Ravens fan. But I wasn't too reassured about his ability to step it up in big games after watching that playoff loss. Didn't like his body language throughout the entire game, much less the stupid grinning on the sideline after each turnover he made.

I'm not enthusiastic.  I'm a lifelong Niner fan.  Just calling things as I see them. 

I wouldn't judge him too harshly on one game, when he played lights out all season, beat some really good teams, etc.  If your biggest complaint is his body language on the sidelines, you're in pretty good shape.  lol
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: AbrahamG on January 14, 2020, 10:06:25 PM
I'm not enthusiastic.  I'm a lifelong Niner fan.  Just calling things as I see them. 

I wouldn't judge him too harshly on one game, when he played lights out all season, beat some really good teams, etc.  If your biggest complaint is his body language on the sidelines, you're in pretty good shape.  lol

I can't help thinking his cock must be enormous.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on January 28, 2020, 01:33:53 PM
I know the Pro Bowl is a meaningless game, but Jackson was named MVP and only ran the ball twice. 

Will be interesting to see how he does next season. 
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: WoogsRaven on January 29, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
I know the Pro Bowl is a meaningless game, but Jackson was named MVP and only ran the ball twice. 

Will be interesting to see how he does next season. 

What Lamar needs is a big receiver to complement Hollywood Brown. AJ Green from the Bengals would be perfect because he has absolutely owned the Ravens for the last few years. I doubt the Bengals would trade him to a division rival.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
What Lamar needs is a big receiver to complement Hollywood Brown. AJ Green from the Bengals would be perfect because he has absolutely owned the Ravens for the last few years. I doubt the Bengals would trade him to a division rival.

I agree.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
Ravens QB Lamar Jackson named 2019 NFL MVP
By Nick Shook
Around The NFL Writer

The NFL's consensus choice for Most Valuable Player has officially assumed the throne.

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson was named the 2019 NFL MVP on Saturday at NFL Honors in downtown Miami. Jackson earned all 50 first-place votes, making him only the second unaimous MVP in NFL history (Tom Brady, 2010).

Jackson was a source of pure spectating delight in 2019, shredding opposing defenses while leading the league in touchdowns with 36 passing scores and seven trips to the end zone on the ground. Jackson threw for 3,127 yards and posted a 113.3 passer rating, with the latter mark exceeding the average rating of an MVP quarterback (107.8 ) en route to the AFC's top seed.

That's not all, of course. Jackson rushed for 1,206 yards, breaking Michael Vick's single-season record for a quarterback in the process and obliterating the average mark for an MVP quarterback (131). He more than tripled the average mark for rushing touchdowns with his seven scores.

Jackson's league-leading marks in passing touchdowns and quarterback rushing yards made him just the second quarterback to do so in NFL history, joining Hall of Famer Steve Young, who did so in 1994 with nearly 1,000 less rushing yards. Jackson's 1,206 yards also landed him at sixth place in the entire NFL in rushing yards.

Jackson became the youngest quarterback to ever win MVP at 22 years, 358 days old (on Dec. 31, 2019) while leading the NFL's No. 1 scoring offense (33.2 points per game). With Jackson at the controls, Baltimore finished first or second in five key offensive categories: points per game, total yards per game, rushing yards per game, big plays per game and red-zone percentage. Jackson also posted the second-highest passing touchdown percentage (9.0) in the Super Bowl era (minimum 350 attempts).

Jackson's season could only get better if his Ravens were able to reach the Super Bowl. Baltimore's 14-2 finish didn't carry over into the postseason, as the Ravens were eliminated by the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Divisional Round.

His MVP makes him the first Ravens player to win the award.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001100156/article/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-named-2019-nfl-mvp
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 18, 2020, 03:02:56 PM
I somewhat agree. I cringe sometimes when he takes off and chooses to run between the tackles. But he's more electrifying in the open field than Vick or RG3 ever was. If he stays healthy, he definitely will run for 1200 yards or more this season.

Whatís your crystal ball day about this coming season?
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2020, 01:23:15 PM
Awaiting the annual Baltimore SB champions thread.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is 2019 MVP
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 20, 2020, 06:36:39 PM
Awaiting the annual Baltimore SB champions thread.

Iíll edit the title and bump it here shortly.
Title: Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
Post by: Humble Narcissist on July 21, 2020, 03:49:46 AM
Whatís your crystal ball day about this coming season?
There probably won't be one.