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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2019, 08:04:55 AM »
Just beat NE this year.

They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2019, 09:03:08 AM »
They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.

It takes a defense and pressure on Brady.  Buffalo showed that.

NE has literally played the equivalent of college teams for all their games.
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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2019, 09:22:16 AM »
Runs too much.  Will end up like RG3 and other running QB's who start breaking down physically.  He is good right now but he will not be doing this 2-3 years from now.

Or he could have a very long career like Randall Cunningham and Steve Young. 

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2019, 10:07:42 AM »
Or he could have a very long career like Randall Cunningham and Steve Young. 
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2019, 10:54:34 AM »
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.

I agree he has to be more accurate. But usually a high accuracy is something you can't teach. But if he can eventually stay between 62%-68%, I'd be happy with that and that would translate to success for him. But he's hell on wheels in the open field. You have to see it in person at a game to believe how lightening fast he is.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2019, 11:02:04 AM »
It takes a defense and pressure on Brady.  Buffalo showed that.

NE has literally played the equivalent of college teams for all their games.


Yeah..the problem is that the Ravens have an average pass rush, at best. Brady is exactly the type of QB that will make you pay dearly if you give him too much time in the pocket. Acquiring Marcus Peters last week was a great move but even if you have elite talent in your secondary, any QB in the NFL can find the open man if given too much time to throw.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2019, 02:15:13 PM »
the next kaepernick, minus the SJW nonsense

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2019, 03:56:15 PM »
Could be but he has to be more accurate throwing the ball.

He is completing 63 percent, up from 58 last year. 

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2019, 02:30:20 AM »
He is completing 63 percent, up from 58 last year. 
That's good.  If he is going to be a long term QB in the league he has to cut back on his running.  QB's like him usually 2 or 3 years and fizzle out or get injured.  Vince Young, Cam Newton and RGIII come to mind.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2019, 06:43:27 AM »
the next kaepernick, minus the SJW nonsense

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Not even close, Earl. I see very little comparison between the two players.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2019, 01:06:07 PM »
Not even close, Earl. I see very little comparison between the two players.

i just don't see him sustaining success for long

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2019, 07:10:26 AM »
i just don't see him sustaining success for long

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Why? Because of injury? If yes, I would agree with you. But I've noticed that the vast majority of QB's injured this year were standing in the pocket instead of running. As far as Lamar goes, you have to be able to hit him first before you can injure him. That's a tall order when he's running in the open field. He's faster than Kaepernick, RG3, Cunningham, or Vick ever was.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2019, 06:13:55 PM »
They are fully capable. NE is due for a let down. They're not going to go undefeated and they will lose to somebody. Might as well be Baltimore.

Doing well thus far, except the Jones muffed punt that may change things. Iíll revisit.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2019, 08:21:57 AM »
I watched the second half of the NE game.  Jackson was very impressive.  Great poise.  Good accuracy.  Good decision making. 

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2019, 04:21:15 PM »
Week 10 stat line....243 pass yards...3 pass touchdowns...74 rush yards...1 TD.....317 total yards...4 touchdowns....This boy is nasty..the truth!

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2019, 04:17:53 AM »
Week 10 stat line....243 pass yards...3 pass touchdowns...74 rush yards...1 TD.....317 total yards...4 touchdowns....This boy is nasty..the truth!

No doubt. Iím not sure at what point the fans start to ďbelieveĒ because weíve all seen this movies before with Vick, RGIII, Cam etc. Unless, we havenít really seen it before and heís a special athlete.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2019, 04:24:54 AM »
Why? Because of injury? If yes, I would agree with you. But I've noticed that the vast majority of QB's injured this year were standing in the pocket instead of running. As far as Lamar goes, you have to be able to hit him first before you can injure him. That's a tall order when he's running in the open field. He's faster than Kaepernick, RG3, Cunningham, or Vick ever was.

He's not faster than Vick was.

Vick ran a 4.25 40 in his prime.

Jackson is amazing though,

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2019, 07:54:54 AM »
He's not faster than Vick was.

Vick ran a 4.25 40 in his prime.

Jackson is amazing though,


I bet you his straight line speed is slightly faster than Vick's was. He's also more agile than Vick was, especially in the open field. He's making NFL top athletes look foolish with his juke moves.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2019, 10:39:52 AM »
Ravens looking like a legit threat to the AFC championship right now.
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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2019, 11:51:47 AM »
I bet you his straight line speed is slightly faster than Vick's was. He's also more agile than Vick was, especially in the open field. He's making NFL top athletes look foolish with his juke moves.

Vick was super-human in his prime.  Not of this Earth.  The fastest man in the NFL.  Mercury in cleats.

Jackson is damn good though.  No question about it.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2019, 01:26:09 PM »
Ravens looking like a legit threat to the AFC championship right now.

I like your optimism. But a lack of a pass rush is the Achilles heel for the Ravens. Only 2 sacks against the worst offensive line in football and a rookie QB. Tough tests coming up. Texans, Rams, 49ers, Bills. If they go 3-1 or better during that stretch then yes...they are a legitimate contender for the AFC title.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2019, 03:03:07 PM »
I like your optimism. But a lack of a pass rush is the Achilles heel for the Ravens. Only 2 sacks against the worst offensive line in football and a rookie QB. Tough tests coming up. Texans, Rams, 49ers, Bills. If they go 3-1 or better during that stretch then yes...they are a legitimate contender for the AFC title.

I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2019, 09:11:36 AM »
I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.

Misspelling "jinx" might be the biggest jinx ever.
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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2019, 02:21:37 PM »
I donít want to jynx it, but with the secondary they have the pass rush doesnít need to be great. Although if they start gelling, itís over for opposing offenses. Michael Pierce going down early in the game didnít help either.

Bro, I don't care how good your secondary is, if you give the QB all day to throw, I don't care if it's Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, he will find the open man and make you pay.

I realize the pass rush doesn't have to be great, but it's not even good. It's barely average unless they send multiple blitzes behind the D-linemen. But I like your optimism...I'm hoping the D can keep improving from week to week moving forward.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is Vince Young 2.0
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2019, 05:37:00 PM »
Bro, I don't care how good your secondary is, if you give the QB all day to throw, I don't care if it's Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, he will find the open man and make you pay.

I realize the pass rush doesn't have to be great, but it's not even good. It's barely average unless they send multiple blitzes behind the D-linemen. But I like your optimism...I'm hoping the D can keep improving from week to week moving forward.

Truth.