For newbies, heres a great back routine to build up to

[Old_Rooster]

Wanna start on the right track to build that bust ass back?

Here was my routine when i began lifting, took me a bit to build up to it but every 2nd back workout my routine was

10 sets of DeadLifts!  and thats it, go heavy in the 4 to 6 rep range for at least 4 to 5 of the sets.  Use straps if you have to, building a winning back has nothing to do with building a strong grip.  Those that think using straps is for babies, you can pull more weight with straps, don't get caught up on wanting your grip to be all u use when deadlifting.

[barnabas]

Wanna start on the right track to build that bust ass back?

Here was my routine when i began lifting, took me a bit to build up to it but every 2nd back workout my routine was

10 sets of DeadLifts!  and thats it, go heavy in the 4 to 6 rep range for at least 4 to 5 of the sets.  Use straps if you have to, building a winning back has nothing to do with building a strong grip.  Those that think using straps is for babies, you can pull more weight with straps, don't get caught up on wanting your grip to be all u use when deadlifting.

I agree about using straps for heavy deads or shrugs.  I can't stand people that think if you use straps you are a sissy.  Your forearms/grip will always fail before your back does.  Your grip is built up with all the other lifts you do throughout your program.

[davie]

Shawn Ray in a training video said that he uses straps because his grip was not strong enough for hte poundages and so he can do more wieght for a longer time. When I last checked his back was sell developed.

I feel u should try and do as many sets etc as possible b4 u consider straps, mayb only on the heaviest use them!
I dont think itl do any harm to deliberately leave the straps at home for a few workouts, so u dont start to rely on them.
But yes u are right they do help u lift more weight.

davie

[Old_Rooster]

I feel u should try and do as many sets etc as possible b4 u consider straps, mayb only on the heaviest use them!
I dont think itl do any harm to deliberately leave the straps at home for a few workouts, so u dont start to rely on them.
But yes u are right they do help u lift more weight.

davie

My point is though, whats wrong with relying on them?  I've never done deadlifts to assist my grip so hell, I used to use straps from the first set on when deadlifting.  Unless you plan on competing as a power lifter and can't use straps in competition, what does it matter if you rely on them.  I'm always reading people don't use them deadlifting because they want to have a strong grip, seems ridiculous to me since you will always be able to deadlift more than your grip alone will allow.

[Jr. Yates]

Shawn Ray in a training video said that he uses straps because his grip was not strong enough for hte poundages and so he can do more wieght for a longer time. When I last checked his back was sell developed.

agreed. I go as long as I can without straps but i'll use them.

[trulytoned]

Why use straps when you dont need them?  I dont see a problem using straps on heavier sets when you think your grip might fail, but if you dont need them dont use them. Your traps and forearms will benefit.

[davie]

Why use straps when you dont need them?  I dont see a problem using straps on heavier sets when you think your grip might fail, but if you dont need them dont use them. Your traps and forearms will benefit.

I know training with straps takes away work on your grip....but does it also take work off your traps to a significant degree??

davie

[Old_Rooster]

I know training with straps takes away work on your grip....but does it also take work off your traps to a significant degree??

davie

I don't see how it could , you shrug with your traps, not your grip.

[Beener]

Its strange, i was always a huge fan of straps. But when i'd bring my straps for deadlifts, id end up using them for everything else too. I finally tried chalk two weeks ago, and i could almost grip as much with the chalk as i could with the straps. maybe only 50lbs less than what id deadlift with the straps on.

I admit straps are great for deadlifts when you wanna go max max max, but try chalk, the shit is great.

[WOOO]

most gyms do not allow chalk... so strap me up

[Old_Rooster]

most gyms do not allow chalk... so strap me up

I don't allow it in my gym, i refuse to vacuum the gym hourly!

[Beener]

No ones said anything to me about it in my gym, and its a college gym, not really hardcore or anything. See some people usin it. But ya some people are messy, im not, but some will just slap it on and leave piles lyin around.

[WOOO]

I don't allow it in my gym, i refuse to vacuum the gym hourly!

yup