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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2013, 10:19:51 AM »
Yes Nasser's thick skin in his back was genetic. That was the problem mostly, not a lack of size. And sure, there's a difference in a once a week shot and shooting a bodypart frequently with a high volume of oil. But every time you inject you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle. The more you shoot the more scar tissue you will get.
Look at the delts of many/most national level competitors and pros and see how they are just a mass of scar tissue without a striation to be seen. Ugly lumps and bumps.

The high concentration/high solvent gear is more damaging than lower dose gear, e.g HG test.
I could see a touch-up with something like Esiclene, if it was still available, just before a show being advantageous but trying to build a muscle with site injections of gear and plain oil = fail.

Milos royally fucked up his arms himself with oil. I always thought this was one of the reasons he stopped competing, whenever it was that he stopped (can't remember). I bet Milos would still look amazing, minus the arms.

yessir, high dose UG gear with way too much BA and BB to hold it in place is the worst thing to ever happen to BBing imo. That shit literally burns holes in the muscle

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2013, 11:59:07 AM »
Good interview.

He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.

Site injections: shit in most cases.

You may already know this but for those who don't.

Synthol is actually miglyol 812 which is 4 different kinds of medium chain tryglycerides.
1. Description
MIGLYOL neutral oils are clear, slightly yellowish esters of saturated coconut and palmkernel oil-derived caprylic and capric fatty acids and glycerin or propylene glycol (MIGLYOL 840).
2. INCI (CTFA) and JCIC** names:
MIGLYOL 810, 812
MIGLYOL 818 MIGLYOL 829 MIGLYOL 840
Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride (JCIC: Caprylic/Capric Acid Triglyceride)
Caprylic/Capric/Linoleic Triglyceride Caprylic/Capric/Succinic Triglyceride Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate

This type of oil will over time essentially eat away ate the muscle. For those who have used synthol you know the type of pain it will produce after a few hours of injecting. As for site injections, peanut, sesame, and grape seed oil will not do this but a high amount of BA and BB seem to also have this effect over time.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2013, 12:21:25 PM »
milos looks fucken weird.. his face/eyes are strange looking.. purple/grayish. can't imagine he's using more gh now than he did competing... unless he's running 30iu of Chinese or something. I dunno...

scar tissue issue's with site injections are legit. you CAN fix it a lil with trigger-point devices like massage rollers/tiger-tales.. even rolling pins. used to have my training partner (a lil 117lb Bulgarian girl) use a rolling pin on my delts, which were solid lumps of scar tissue after 10+ years of putting 3cc in each rear delt and 2cc in the mid each week.... if not more.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2013, 02:37:24 PM »
Call it what you want, thick skin, fat, lack of detail ... it looked like thick skin/still too much fat. Nothing to do with training. How do you train for detail?

Def not like this....


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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2013, 04:32:03 PM »
Thats not Branch.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2013, 05:12:37 PM »
Def not like this....



what a joke.

what the fuck does he think he is doing there ??

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2013, 05:15:37 PM »
Looks old.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2013, 05:29:38 PM »
milos looks fucken weird.. his face/eyes are strange looking.. purple/grayish. can't imagine he's using more gh now than he did competing... unless he's running 30iu of Chinese or something. I dunno...

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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=106434.0

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2013, 12:18:52 PM »
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=106434.0


yea, but that was years ago.. he's looked 'better/normal' since that happened.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2013, 12:45:23 PM »
lol @ flex has no myostatin

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2013, 12:48:34 PM »
lol @ flex has no myostatin

I laugh at that too.  From the pics I've seen he was a normal skinny kid.  The only thing that he had that was genetic was shape.
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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2013, 01:07:16 PM »
Def not like this....



text book form
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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2013, 01:57:46 PM »
text book form
that's the arab in him

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2013, 12:39:17 PM »
The point about extremely high ml per ml gear is a valid one because of the necessary solvents required to make it hold in the solution.

I remember a national competitor (never went pro) a couple years ago who would mostly use test 500mg/ml. It was a blend of 3 or 4 long esters but still, 500mg per ml. He would load up 3cc's of it and put it in his glutes and quads in one shot.

I usually recommend, for guys starting out, to avoid putting gear in the arms, calves, traps, etc. I personally believe their is an appropriate time in one's "career" as to when the muscle fascia stretching and inflammation from large volume shots can be beneficial but not for some time. You can do a LARGE amount of cc's each week before needing to rotate to the smaller, more obvious muscle groups.

glutes can take 3cc's easily, 4-5cc's after a while.
VG can take 5cc easily.
quads can take 3 cc's easily.

2 glutes, 2 VG, 2 quads = 22-26cc's weekly without ever needing to touch any other muscle groups.


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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2013, 01:03:16 PM »
The point about extremely high ml per ml gear is a valid one because of the necessary solvents required to make it hold in the solution.

I remember a national competitor (never went pro) a couple years ago who would mostly use test 500mg/ml. It was a blend of 3 or 4 long esters but still, 500mg per ml. He would load up 3cc's of it and put it in his glutes and quads in one shot.

I usually recommend, for guys starting out, to avoid putting gear in the arms, calves, traps, etc. I personally believe their is an appropriate time in one's "career" as to when the muscle fascia stretching and inflammation from large volume shots can be beneficial but not for some time. You can do a LARGE amount of cc's each week before needing to rotate to the smaller, more obvious muscle groups.

glutes can take 3cc's easily, 4-5cc's after a while.
VG can take 5cc easily.
quads can take 3 cc's easily.

2 glutes, 2 VG, 2 quads = 22-26cc's weekly without ever needing to touch any other muscle groups.


You mean mg per ml. From what I have noticed is the higher the level the more lower the mg/ml is.

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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2013, 01:42:54 PM »
You mean mg per ml. From what I have noticed is the higher the level the more lower the mg/ml is.

yeah, typo. i meant higher mg per ml.


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Re: milos talking about nasser and PEDS
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2013, 01:56:02 PM »
Milos was out of breath after the second sentence.  He used to be very well spoken but seems to be gasping for air.