If you were David Hasselhoff would you have gotten a refund for

[legbreaker]

yes. but the fact is that real athletes dont bitch and boast about it. you dont see greco-roman wrestlers talk about how hard they train, it's just something that comes with the job. but in bodybuilding you have this false image that in order to look a certain way you need to pay your dues. but the fact is - no you don't, not compared to a lot of other sports.

Training in the gyms is ALOT diferent then it was many years ago..Alot different and drugs have taken over.  This is exactly the reason some guys could get top the national level faster but the quality physique, the separation and detail is not anything like it was years ago. 

[gordiano]

i cant. remember that documentary about 3 people who juiced. one was a mma lightweight fighter that looked like nothing. the other was a gay guy that wanted to take part in some beauty contest on stage at a disco and one was a guy that was trying to get on the cover of one of those gay bodybuilding magazines.
he was the only one of them that looked like he possibly could've juiced (but would've passed for a natural)

majority of people who juice dont have a clue

I remember that.

They were all pathetic.

The only one who looked decent was the "gay muscle model".

[TheAnimal]

bluto has odviously never trained legs if he doesn't think lifting weights is tough...