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trainin with weights
« on: February 14, 2007, 06:15:41 AM »
Hey guys...its a question which i myself at times can't find an answer. Hope u guys can shed some light.

i know heavier weight, lower reps leads to bigger growth and it puts on a decent amount of size (with or without gear)

The question is, will u still be able to grow if u lowered the weight and increased the reptitions??

e.g. U are ought to put on size if u can squat 220kgs for 2 or 3 reps but can u still put on size if u only had 80kgs on the bar and u did about 15 to 20reps or even more....just curious guys...

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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 06:45:13 AM »
Hey guys...its a question which i myself at times can't find an answer. Hope u guys can shed some light.

i know heavier weight, lower reps leads to bigger growth and it puts on a decent amount of size (with or without gear)

The question is, will u still be able to grow if u lowered the weight and increased the reptitions??

e.g. U are ought to put on size if u can squat 220kgs for 2 or 3 reps but can u still put on size if u only had 80kgs on the bar and u did about 15 to 20reps or even more....just curious guys...

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The general concensus which i agree with, is that for development the best combo is in between those two extremes. Moderate reps 8-12. Sometimes going higher, for example reps of 15-20, can be a nice change-up to blow up the area and shock the body into new growth. The problem with low reps (1-6) is that they're not optimum for growth and are by far the most dangerous in terms of injury potential.

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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 07:32:35 AM »
Thanks pumpster for the advice... :)
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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 08:51:47 AM »
I agree with The Pumpster for the most part, but lower reps can be rewarding for building muscle mass. And these lower reps do not always have to be super heavy. With proper warm-up and readyness, heavier lower reps need not pose any more danger than moderate reps  (usually in that 8-12 rep range). It's when rushing the weigh (too much weight on the bar, too soon) problems may arise. Everyone reacts at a different level as far as reps go. Three reps may do for you what 20 reps can not and vice versa. We all have to find out for our selfs. Lifting is a form of self discovery of what works and what does not. Good Luck.
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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 09:28:43 PM »
cycle heavy workouts with light and moderate ones, but the emphasis is on heavy.  4-8 reps works best for me in terms of mass/strength.

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 09:45:46 PM »
I generally agree with pumpster, but at the same time your building the body by using progressive overload and that can come from different techniques.. ie. heavier weight, more reps, forced reps ect.. AS long as you don't give yourself a chance to adapt and plateau you'll be growing.

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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 01:54:18 AM »
I generally agree with pumpster, but at the same time your building the body by using progressive overload and that can come from different techniques.. ie. heavier weight, more reps, forced reps ect.. AS long as you don't give yourself a chance to adapt and plateau you'll be growing.


I was referring to the general question about rep ranges. Progressive overload can be done in many ways-rep range/weight, time between sets and the use of intensity techniques that either combine the first two and/or add cheats, forced reps, etc.

With all those options, IMO it's unnecessary to venture into low reps/heavier weight territory, which is just another combination of same, but with the added downsides of less effective growth potential coupled with greater injury potential. It's easier to generate shocks through other means.

If you want to play with rep range & weight, do it between moderate to high reps, avoiding low reps. The only exceptions i can see are where the muscle's already fatigued & warmed by previous work and shorter rests. ie 5 x 5 with short rests of 15-45 seconds between sets. Or low reps right after a previous set of higher reps. In either case the weight used for lower reps won't be as high due to exhaustion, and the muscle's already warm.

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Re: trainin with weights
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 09:24:07 AM »
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