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Stretching your rib cage...
« on: January 30, 2007, 11:15:29 PM »
The whole thing about pullovers and dumbbell flyes stretching your rib cage is an old myth, right? Or is there controversy over whether it really does or not?
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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 04:28:22 AM »
Stuart McRoberts claims it can be done:

"The fact is that many people HAVE increased their rib cages. I am one of them"

"While even middle-aged trainers have modestly increased the size of their rib cages through the breathing pullover and the Rader chest pull, some young trainees have greatly increased the girth of their rib cages. Rib cage enlargement will produce a deeper and broader chest, wider back and shoulders, and, as a bonus, perhaps help improve posture"

Whether he's full of shit or not, I don't know  ;)

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 04:35:34 AM »
I would have doubts that you can expand your ribcage, but if your shoulders can take it pullovers, either on machine or dumbbell/barbell, are a great upperbody exercise.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2007, 09:59:00 AM »
If your young enough, where the cartilage between the ribs themselves is still in a state of flux, the rib box can be expanded. The mean average is from 22 to 24 years old before that cartilage begins to mature and harden. Even older men have improved the rib box (giving a fuller feeling) to a certain degree, but not to the level of a younger person. So it's a matter of the cartilage allowing a stretch between the ribs, rather that the rib bones themselves growing.

A heavy breathing exercise, like the squat primarily, followed by a set of light to moderate pullovers (either straight or bent arm) are the usual method. The attention to the stretch and deep breathing is the most concern when doing the pullover. Weight is not the issue. The squat and pullover is always done for higher reps...20 all the way up to 30 reps at times. Some people, rather than the squat, have used DL's, SLDL's, cleans, etc to induce heavy breathing. I believe that the squat would be the best way, because it allow you to fully expand the chest with full deep breaths, no restriction at all. The basic way is to take 3 deep breath's between each rep of squats. When reaching up to 12-15 reps you may be taking 5 to 7 deep breaths between reps. You should be puffing like a steam engine.

In any event, just including pullovers (bent or straight arm) in a workout can affect the ligament attachments to the chest,  giving a fuller feel to that area. Pullovers also affect the lat's, tricep's and pec's (lower) strongly. Good Luck.
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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2007, 10:10:58 AM »
if you haven't tried it already.. Try it, you got nothing to lose.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2007, 10:41:26 AM »
LOLOLOL...

It is physically impossible to increase the size of your rib cage at any age unless you use drugs like GH to increase cartilage production and strech the bones.  I have put the myth to rest.  Pullovers are a great exercise and I recommend you do them but all of that is a myth on increasing your rib cage.  Sorry.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2007, 11:58:40 AM »
LOLOLOL...

It is physically impossible to increase the size of your rib cage at any age unless you use drugs like GH to increase cartilage production and strech the bones.  I have put the myth to rest.  Pullovers are a great exercise and I recommend you do them but all of that is a myth on increasing your rib cage.  Sorry.

Your authority for this information?

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2007, 02:38:17 PM »
LOLOLOL...

It is physically impossible to increase the size of your rib cage at any age unless you use drugs like GH to increase cartilage production and strech the bones.  I have put the myth to rest.  Pullovers are a great exercise and I recommend you do them but all of that is a myth on increasing your rib cage.  Sorry.

I must agree with this (except for the part about GH).

I do have fairly extensive knowledge about the basic science of cartilage, especially in terms of growth and development, and have published several articles on related topics.  Suffice it to say, that the Heuter-Volkmann principle (i.e.that cartilage actually decreases growth when exposed to an applied load, and increases growth when unloaded) by itself offers a very simple explanation of why the growth for which you seek explanation just doesn't occur.

That being said, I do not doubt that many of you on this board have very impressive thoracies. Many of you probably also attribute this to the pullovers you have always done as part of your routine.  I, too, have a very large ribcage, as does my father, my twin brother and my older brother. Of the four of us, however, I am the only one who lifts weights and certainly am the only one who ever did any pullovers. Again, I am not doubting that many of you have a very impressive thorax.  I am only saying that you have it based more on deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) than on pullovers.

So, do I like pullovers?  Yes, I do, and include them as part of my back training.  I also think they give me better intercostal muscle development.  But a bigger ribcage--nah.  I have to thank my Pop for that.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2007, 02:40:28 PM »
I was born with a rib cage that resembles a 55 gallon drum.  ;D

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 05:31:20 AM »
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Your authority for this information?

Currently studying for a double major in exercise science and sports medicine, plus I am a competitive bodybuilder and personal trainer.  From all of the classes, independant studies, and knowledge of lifting, all legitimate scientific data, shows that there can be no increase in the size of your rib cage from exercises alone.  That information is documented in (Human physiology, Human anatomy, and Kinesiology) Above I mentioned (GH therapy); maybe I should have mentioned this will not specifically target your rib cage, it will cause all long bones to grow and will only help if you are a youth when your epiphyseal plates have not closed yet.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 08:25:04 AM »
I would have doubts that you can expand your ribcage, but if your shoulders can take it pullovers, either on machine or dumbbell/barbell, are a great upperbody exercise.

Yup. Pullovers, one of the best lat & serratus exercises. Expanders, no.

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Re: Stretching your rib cage...
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 08:47:36 AM »
I beg to differ with regards in increased rib box expansion. As stated before, it's not the bone growth it's self, but the cartilage between the rib placements (and breast plate) than can expand to a fixed  increase in chest measurement. The positive given being; if the trainee is young enough, where the cartilage is still in a somewhat plastic state.

I've seen this factor many time with younger trainee's (and with my self).  Increased measurement of 1 1/2 to 2" seems to be the mean average after a 4-6 week period. So if a test subject would volunteer in the name of exercise science,we all may judge the results. A program including the breathing squat,  followed immediately by a set of moderate weight pullovers (either straight or bent) would be the designed exercises. There will be result gains in muscle mass, but the notice will also be directed to the rib box and the lifting up of and fullness felt in that area. Good Luck.

PS: if doing a set of pullover it might be suggested that the knee's be drawn up during the movement. This will allow a better stretch on the chest area, taking the somewhat restrictive ab wall out of the movement
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