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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 09:45:30 AM »
If there are people that think they can bring more to the table than I have, then I encourage them to run for the position next time it's up for election...it's not a lifetime appt.

That would be a good idea.  However it seems athlete disinterest is so high, and attendance at the meetings is so low, that this would be ineffective. I don't know if this atmosphere was deliberately fostered by the powers that be for the very reason of preventing a strong unified athlete presence... or if it's just the nature of the beast in a sport that is so inherently selfish. 

As for the prize money...Ive successfully gotten the back end of the purse increased from zero to + $4,000...I would say thats a pretty substancial increase over and above the inflation rate. I thought it was more important to make sure everyone got a piece of the pie instead of just giving more money to those allready cashing in...

It's a substantial increase for the bottom guys, sure.  But goatboy demonstrated the specifics (I can dig them up if you want).  From 04 to 05, then 05 to 06, the yearly inflationary rate increased more than the Olympia winnings.  In other words, the value of an 2004 check was LESS than a 2006 check, even though the amount is higher, because cost of living has increased by a higher % than the prize money has. 

So while 0 to 4000 was terrific, there is now a very clear need to at the very least, raise that $4000 to $4,120 this year, given an estimated 3% inlationary rate (I am sure you coudl adjust it to meet the actual rates).  Every year, the prize monies should be raised to meet the inflationary rates, just as sponsor fees, ticket fees, etc are raised the same.  (And this goes for all shows, not just the O).  I am sure that ticket prices don't remain fixed at 1995 prices - neither should prize checks.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 09:52:45 AM »

thanks for ruining this thread once again, fucking currymuncher

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 09:57:47 AM »
Any professional bodybuilder that is able to make a living at what he does and not putting his health in too much jeopardy is intelligent.
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2007, 11:21:38 AM »
Dorian appears to be quite smart

Was also one of the probably very few pro's or ex-pro's that actually studied training&nutrition (not through college or so ofcourse) instead of just doing something

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 11:23:51 AM »
Bob Paris = one of teh greatest ever.
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 05:46:07 PM »
According to the infallible Wikipedia, Coleman has a degree... I've heard this other places, too. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Coleman


DEbussey knows Coleman has a degree, but Cum Laude? He's a dumb goat. He must have sucked some serious dick to graduate with honors.
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 05:58:13 PM »

DEbussey knows Coleman has a degree, but Cum Laude? He's a dumb goat. He must have sucked some serious dick to graduate with honors.

From that Wikipedia entry: "Coleman graduated Cum Laude from Grambling State University (GSU) in 1989 with a degree in accounting. While attending Coleman also played football with the GSU Tigers under famous coach Eddie Robinson. After graduation, Coleman became a police officer."
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2007, 05:59:30 PM »
From that Wikipedia entry: "Coleman graduated Cum Laude from Grambling State University (GSU) in 1989 with a degree in accounting. While attending Coleman also played football with the GSU Tigers under famous coach Eddie Robinson. After graduation, Coleman became a police officer."


Yeah, Debussey read that, but still can not believe the cum laude part, unless the roids had some serious stupification effect on that big hairy monkey.
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 06:12:20 PM »
Derrick Anthony has a PHD in Fudge Packery

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2007, 12:37:42 AM »
Bob sounds smarter when he is near a phone and can call Manion or someone at Weider for the answers.   He is funny though.  I like his comment where he says being the Athletes Rep is not a lifetime position and anyone can run against him at the next election.  I hope bodybuilding.com does a free webcast of that debate.  Now that would be awesome to see.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2007, 01:35:35 AM »
as far as current guys cutler and chick no doubt

its a shame many can do so much but do nada

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2007, 02:04:37 AM »
Hey guys just interested, I know it is hard to judge a man's intelligence by his Job or posts ;) but of the top of your head... who do you concider pretty intelligent, well spoken, I know Katz was a teacher Arnold was not a dummie and Chick seems like he has quit a brain are there more?

Edit: And don't just post names, I would like to know.

Intelligence is an encompassing term, and I would say it encompasses both academic intelligence expressed in terms of IQ, as well as practical intelligence in dealing with people (EQ), and the ability to adapt and overcome a variety of challenges you will see in the real world from day to day.  There are many schools of thought on exactly what intelligence is and its definition varies slightly depending on the source, but it is generally accepted that intelligence isn't strictly defined in terms of one or two qualities but is rather something multifaceted which can be examined from a variety of angles.

There are definitely some smart pros out there - Lee Labrada for example.  He is an engineer by trade from what I read.

Rich Gaspari was also very academic and read about nutrition in great detail regularly and spent two years in college studying the subject.  His ability to analyze himself in terms of his response to nutrition in very specific and documented ways was proof that he used the actual science of nutrition to his advantage and actually understood it beyond simply a surface level.  If you read some of the Gaspari ads, you will see that he also understands the clinical trials of his supplements quite well.  Even as a very experienced reader of scientific literature, I find some clinical studies to be challenging to read.  Let's not forget that Gaspari's ability to found a nutrition company is something he deserves credit for as it proves his practical ability in the business world.

Milos Sarcev is one smart cookie.  He seems to be highly intellectual and has a deep understanding of physiology and human dynamics as they relate to bodybuilding.  I suspect I could talk to Milos for hours on topics of nutrition or training and he could give me very detailed and accurate information.

Mark Dugdale is smart both in the way that he articulates himself and how he manages his own very successful company.

Shawn and Bob both present themselves very well and also articulate themselves well, but I'm not sure if they are just really good speakers or if they are very intelligent.  Shawn is smart for quitting gear cold turkey and actually moving on in life.  That was an intelligent life choice.  Bob was smart to focus on bodybuilding.com and move away from competition.  That was also an intelligent decision.  Gunter is another pro who articulates himself well, but be weary and do not be swayed by the looks of anyone in assessing intelligence - looks do not always correlate well with intellect.

This list is far from complete.  However, sad to say, it is easier to compose a list of the smartest pros than the dumbest pros.  I hate to admit it, but the stereotype of bodybuilders not being so bright appears to be an accurate one to me.

It makes me wonder if the neurological input required for muscles to perform optimally for growth somehow hinders brain functioning in other areas.  Just a thought.  :)  Occam's razor - more than likely, those building muscle in the gym, on the average, are making up for something they are lacking elsewhere, so you will simply find more less than brilliant people taking up bodybuilding to begin with.
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2007, 03:57:04 AM »
Intelligence is an encompassing term, and I would say it encompasses both academic intelligence expressed in terms of IQ, as well as practical intelligence in dealing with people (EQ), and the ability to adapt and overcome a variety of challenges you will see in the real world from day to day.  There are many schools of thought on exactly what intelligence is and its definition varies slightly depending on the source, but it is generally accepted that intelligence isn't strictly defined in terms of one or two qualities but is rather something multifaceted which can be examined from a variety of angles.

There are definitely some smart pros out there - Lee Labrada for example.  He is an engineer by trade from what I read.

Rich Gaspari was also very academic and read about nutrition in great detail regularly and spent two years in college studying the subject.  His ability to analyze himself in terms of his response to nutrition in very specific and documented ways was proof that he used the actual science of nutrition to his advantage and actually understood it beyond simply a surface level.  If you read some of the Gaspari ads, you will see that he also understands the clinical trials of his supplements quite well.  Even as a very experienced reader of scientific literature, I find some clinical studies to be challenging to read.  Let's not forget that Gaspari's ability to found a nutrition company is something he deserves credit for as it proves his practical ability in the business world.

Milos Sarcev is one smart cookie.  He seems to be highly intellectual and has a deep understanding of physiology and human dynamics as they relate to bodybuilding.  I suspect I could talk to Milos for hours on topics of nutrition or training and he could give me very detailed and accurate information.

Mark Dugdale is smart both in the way that he articulates himself and how he manages his own very successful company.

Shawn and Bob both present themselves very well and also articulate themselves well, but I'm not sure if they are just really good speakers or if they are very intelligent.  Shawn is smart for quitting gear cold turkey and actually moving on in life.  That was an intelligent life choice.  Bob was smart to focus on bodybuilding.com and move away from competition.  That was also an intelligent decision.  Gunter is another pro who articulates himself well, but be weary and do not be swayed by the looks of anyone in assessing intelligence - looks do not always correlate well with intellect.

This list is far from complete.  However, sad to say, it is easier to compose a list of the smartest pros than the dumbest pros.  I hate to admit it, but the stereotype of bodybuilders not being so bright appears to be an accurate one to me.

It makes me wonder if the neurological input required for muscles to perform optimally for growth somehow hinders brain functioning in other areas.  Just a thought.  :)  Occam's razor - more than likely, those building muscle in the gym, on the average, are making up for something they are lacking elsewhere, so you will simply find more less than brilliant people taking up bodybuilding to begin with.

What about Frank McGrath? Or do you feel it's enough for him to stand there and look pretty ? :)

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2007, 06:11:02 AM »
mike francois ws a seminary student for priesthood,tom prince was literary masters but not as smart as a bber on his own health.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2007, 09:25:02 AM »
mike francois ws a seminary student for priesthood,tom prince was literary masters but not as smart as a bber on his own health.

I have always been suspicious of TP's supposed master's degree. His writing is abysmal, for example... Any idea where he got his degree from?

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2007, 09:35:38 AM »
I vote for Debussey.


Perfect.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2007, 01:08:41 PM »
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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2007, 01:09:48 PM »

Perfect.

Bodybuilding will get its own representative in the "superintelligent Gary Busey world council".


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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2007, 01:30:34 PM »

DEbussey knows Coleman has a degree, but Cum Laude? He's a dumb goat. He must have sucked some serious dick to graduate with honors.
I don't agree that Ronnie is necessarily unintelligent. While this is a distict possibility, I think people base their opinion of his intelligence on his speach, which, while is an indicator perhaps, isn't a direct correlation.
   There have been many peopel who don't speak well, yet as still highly intelligent. I'm not saying this is the case.....however it is possible.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2007, 01:56:59 PM »
I don't agree that Ronnie is necessarily unintelligent. While this is a distict possibility, I think people base their opinion of his intelligence on his speach, which, while is an indicator perhaps, isn't a direct correlation.
   There have been many peopel who don't speak well, yet as still highly intelligent. I'm not saying this is the case.....however it is possible.

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Re: Are there any Intelligent Pro Bodybuilders out there?
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2007, 02:07:10 PM »
I don't agree that Ronnie is necessarily unintelligent. While this is a distict possibility, I think people base their opinion of his intelligence on his speach, which, while is an indicator perhaps, isn't a direct correlation.
   There have been many peopel who don't speak well, yet as still highly intelligent. I'm not saying this is the case.....however it is possible.

Any dumb monkey can graduate with a degree.

But Debussey highly doubts that Ronnie graduated "cum laude". Cum Laude = graduating with honors, the lowest of 3 honor distinction. No fucking way Ronnie = smart enough to graduate with honors unless he sucked dick or somehow got a few extra points of goodwill from playing football.
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