What was Arnold's stack?

[whitewidow]

True, but there are so many drugs out there, that finding a stack which worked extremely well for someone is a big head start.

Bro Test , deca and dbol is my guess as to the main 3 drugs he used just not sure dosages.

[GoneAway]

Bro Test , deca and dbol is my guess as to the main 3 drugs he used just not sure dosages.

Thanks. I know deca and dbol were around in the 60's/70's, but was test? You can tell I'm a newbie. Just trying to get the facts to make a better judgement.

Also, what do you think of the deca/dbol stack?

[wes mantooth]

Also, what do you think of the deca/dbol stack?

NOOOOOOO!

think of trying to put toothpaste back in the tube.....thats what its like trying to fuck with the dreaded "deca dick"

test should be a base for all cycles.

[Rimbaud]

Also, what do you think of the deca/dbol stack?

Strong as hell with a lot of water retention but your dick will probably be worthless while on cycle.

[GoneAway]

That doesn't sound good. I've heard it is pretty much a staple stack for a beginner.

[wes mantooth]

That doesn't sound good. I've heard it is pretty much a staple stack for a beginner.

..that dont know what they are doing.....

looking at stacks from the 60's is like using lead paint...seemed like a good idea at the time...

there is so much good info on here in the sticky section, you really need to come up with a sound idea for a cycle and not just try to follow a tactic used by your favorite bodybuilder.

yes...some info and individuals clash every now and again, but my point is that weve come to a time in bodybuilding where information/ technique are sound. the myths have been disproved, and the theories have been tweaked to reality.

genetics define you, not cycles. if your hair is gonna fall out...its gonna fall out. if you have high calf inserts...no drug will fix it. narrow chest, short legs...whatever....you can improve on what you have....but you cant change it. (unless you get a nosejob or something )



 

[Playboy]

Don't believe anything you read in a mag about his gear use. it's all pure speculation based on gossip. 200mg a week of primo wouldn't do shit.

Arnold took anything and everything he had available to him at any give time. afterall he was Weider's poster boy.

i know guys who take 200mg a day of Dbol and do just fine. of course, i would never advise this in any way.

Very good post and I agree with you 100%

PB

[joropower]

I've handled 200mg ed for almost 3 weeks  - started at 50mg and gradually increased to 200 mg - I wouldn't say that i was healthy but definitely didn't end up in the hospital.....and the  drug was real - bought straight from the pharmacy....

G is absolutely right. We both are from the same european country. I also used 200 mg a day for a month, three times in year when I was between 18 and 23. I never had or have any liver problems and did my chechs regularly.
 I must say that after these years of insane Bionabol (D-bol) use I realized that dosages over 70-80mg/day of d-bol are not needed. The higher dosage just made me more agressive not bigger or more muscular. But such dosages are not something rare here. Certain guy who I know very well in the peack of his cycles used 2000mg of d-bol everyday. Now this is crazy:) And yes he is still alive;)

[joropower]

I did this cycle when I was 18, started juicing at 16 as a high school athlete....at that time i didnt know shit about cycling etc.....all the info taht I had about AASwas from a book called Project: Muscle Mass  by Criss Clark and my idea was : the more I use the better athlete I'd be......all my cycles at time had D-bol as base so with each cycle it was less effective which made me go up to 200 mg .....dont use doses like that anymore though....

same with me and the same legendary book as a source of information. Mere is better was the story and D-bol as foundation of the cycle. Now test is foundation of our cycles and noone looks weird at you when you say you use 2000mg test for week. Back then we used only 200-300mg test/week but 200mg d-bol/day.

[trab]

As far as Deca + Dbol...  If your coming on fresh, it takes a bit before the deca does it softening act.
Pluss the Dbol counteracts that ( For me)  and these guys liked HCG after a couple months.  You can repeat that
a couple times in a row. 

Anadrol- thats been around for a long while to. A lots of the old photos look Anadrol smooth to me.
HGH (for the well connected & plenty of cash) from human cadavers, how you like that?

Also remember YOU COULD ORDER THE STUFF FROM OVERSEAS WORRY FREE LIKE BUYING SOCKS!
 Today I think theres a tendency to overstate doses/ brag.

Most the same old  'Roids been 'round forever.

[GoneAway]

Thanks for your comments, everyone. Interesting opinions.

So far it's primo, deca and dbol as the most widely used drugs in the 60's and 70's. So we can assume that's what Arnold was on at any one time, unless someone else has more info.

[G]

same with me and the same legendary book as a source of information. Mere is better was the story and D-bol as foundation of the cycle. Now test is foundation of our cycles and noone looks weird at you when you say you use 2000mg test for week. Back then we used only 200-300mg test/week but 200mg d-bol/day.

.....yeah....Criss Clark was and is still the steroid guru in Europe......I didnt start with the high doses of test untl last 3 years ...been using more injectables and less orals , but back in the day as a teenager my usual cycle was Bionabol 50-150mg ed/test prop150 mg ed( 3x 1ml/50mg amps) - and that shit was cheap - the prop was around .25c per amp

[MaxG]

It always amazes me to see what people have to say in regards to a question of what the BBr of Arnie's day use to do. Everyone back then use to screw with each other and lie about everything from food to supps to chems. Nobody wanted to give out their secret weapons. The fact is... nobody knows for sure what any other bodybuilder does or takes. Just in what they may or may not have said. A bodybuilder is a bodybuilder!!! They will do anything they have to to take them to the next level.

[dragonheart]

Thanks. So it seems like primo and dbol are the two main ones he used, based on speculation. Were they the two most used drugs around the 60's and 70's?

dbol and primo is what ive always heard.  Im positive all the guys back then used dbol at least.

[UK Gold]

Thanks. I know deca and dbol were around in the 60's/70's, but was test? You can tell I'm a newbie. Just trying to get the facts to make a better judgement.

Also, what do you think of the deca/dbol stack?

A popular cycle in good old Blighty for many a year has been Deca, dbol and proviron. Personally i have never tried it, but know many who have - and they suffered no knob probs. Its probably down to the individual.

I think Arnold just used the basics - test, deca, primo and dbol. We'll never know in what doses; unless we have a whip round and try and bribe Franco

[G]

I think Arnold just used the basics - test, deca, primo and dbol. We'll never know in what doses; unless we have a whip round and try and bribe Franco

......+ Halo, drolls, var,  and whatever the hell was on the market at time....!

[Cleanest Natural]

I believe gh15 touched on this subject and pointed that he took almost everything that was on the market and also experimented with gh in it's primitive version.

[GoneAway]

I believe gh15 touched on this subject and pointed that he took almost everything that was on the market and also experimented with gh in it's primitive version.

sevatease, do you have a link to that post?

It's amazing to think GH was around in the 70's, but only boomed in the mid 90's.

[wes mantooth]

sevatease, do you have a link to that post?

It's amazing to think GH was around in the 70's, but only boomed in the mid 90's.

it boomed in the 90's because it was synthetic. the GH of old was pulled from cadavers.....

[Cleanest Natural]

it boomed in the 90's because it was synthetic. the GH of old was pulled from cadavers.....

the term he used..." experimented with raw compounds"

[G]

I believe gh15 touched on this subject and pointed that he took almost everything that was on the market and also experimented with gh in it's primitive version.

yeah I remember that post ,it was a long list of drugs he was using, starting with d-bol and ending up with amphetamines...

[dragonheart]

anyone know who gh15 really is?  ive heard Dennis James, Nasser, Ruhl, and some others.

[g101]

Arnold did Injectable Primo with Dbol then bridged with Deca. He did 20 week cycles (not joking here) and went up to 100mg a day of Primo/Dbol. No PCT no nothing, they also didn't juice year long only when competition was near.

[coolioni]

He always used to talk about dbol about 30 mgs a day , test under 1000 mgs a week, deca 400 mgs a week, Winnie (must have been a fairly low dose since back then you could only get 2mg winnie tabs. The 10 and 50mg tabs did not exist then, He never talked about the use of anti-E's becuase the only drug around then was nolvadex and I am not sure they even knew about using it back then.
I think in the early 80's is when it came into use.
I remember him saying if you don't grow on dbol and deca you won't grow on anything.
So that must have been one of his favorite stacks, but only he and a select few people really know what he was taking.
I know the amount used back then are so much lower in dosage than beginners take today.
I imagine our generation of freaks taking ungodly amounts of gear are not going to be living long lives.
I bet Arnold ends up living a long one !
He has always been my idol. I would vote for him for president if he could run , but unfortunatly he was not born in the USA so he can never become president unles they ammend the constitution.
I know they are actually working on a bill that does address changing that law.
Sorry to go off topic!