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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2007, 09:41:03 AM »
That is correct, for who is perfect? 

Lottery winners do not choose to win.  But you can choose to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  As for "only a few who actually earned their money", you cannot earn your salvation.  It is a gift from God.

Actually, someone who "poses" as a Christian will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who genuinely repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  God cannot be fooled.  God looks at the heart.

God looks at something he cannot understand?

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2007, 09:45:25 AM »
God looks at something he cannot understand?

 ??? 

What are you talking about, OzmO?

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2007, 09:52:35 AM »
??? 

What are you talking about, OzmO?

You remember, God said he cannot understand the human heart....

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2007, 10:02:17 AM »
You remember, God said he cannot understand the human heart....

God said that?  Where is that?  In the Bible?  Quote the book, chapter and verse. 

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2007, 10:05:24 AM »
God said that?  Where is that?  In the Bible?  Quote the book, chapter and verse. 

You quoted it.   i think it went something like:   "Who can understand the heart of man?"

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2007, 10:10:42 AM »
You quoted it.   i think it went something like:   "Who can understand the heart of man?"

And that = "God said he cannot understand the human heart"?

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2007, 10:12:02 AM »
And that = "God said he cannot understand the human heart"?

We had the discussion about a month ago........   I asked you about it.  Use your search thing.  It's in the OT,  i think it's in Judges, but i'm too sure.


It was when we were talking about that "little voice" that tells you to keep slaves but tells me to it's ok for greek men to have sex with kids....(i'm being sarcastic in a friendly way  ;D)

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2007, 10:16:24 AM »
We had the discussion about a month ago........   I asked you about it.  Use your search thing.  It's in the OT,  i think it's in Judges, but i'm too sure.


It was when we were talking about that "little voice" that tells you to keep slaves but tells me to it's ok for greek men to have sex with kids....(i'm being sarcastic in a friendly way  ;D)

I'll see what I can find...and I do not hear "little voices".    ;D

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #83 on: August 27, 2007, 11:09:22 AM »
Are we talking about heaven or hell or Jesus's alleged unconditional love?
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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2007, 12:58:15 AM »

Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.

Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.

That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.

Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2007, 05:04:36 AM »

Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.

Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.

That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.

Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!

TNBT

The suspension of reason, throwing common sense out the window, control, dogma...these have nothing to do with the Bible or religion in general.  It has to do with people following leaders, scientists, etc. without questioning.  It can happen with religion as much as it can happen with politics and science.

In politics:

The old Soviet Union, China and Cuba banned religion.  Are you telling me that there was no "control" over the people in these places?

Laws are interpreted and explained by a few justices.  People follow them without questioning.  Have laws never been manipulated to control people or to push an agenda?  Have leaders never deceived people to get them to support the leader's agenda?

In science:

Science is great, but many people take what scientists say by faith and do not question or do their own research.  Many people tell me "I wasn’t sufficiently interested to go check out the so-called “facts” for myself. I assumed that reliable people had already done that."  We have to remember that some scientists are dishonest and have an agenda to obtain or maintain recognition and funding.

Scientific findings and scientists themselves can be used by leaders to control and manipulate people.

Scientific theories and beliefs can encourage people to commit atrocities and to create wars.

“Hitler believed in struggle as a Darwinian principle of human life that forced every people to try to dominate all others; without struggle they would rot and perish … . Even in his own defeat in April 1945, Hitler expressed his faith in the survival of the stronger and declared the Slavic peoples to have proven themselves the stronger.”  Peter Hoffman, Hitler’s Personal Security (Oxford, UK: Pergamon Press, 1979), p. 264.

“To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied vigorously to the affairs of a great modern nation, we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly convinced that evolution produces the only real basis for a national policy … . The means he adopted to secure the destiny of his race and people were organized slaughter, which has drenched Europe in blood … . Such conduct is highly immoral as measured by every scale of ethics, yet Germany justifies it; it is consonant with tribal or evolutionary morality. Germany has reverted to the tribal past, and is demonstrating to the world, in their naked ferocity, the methods of evolution.” Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (New York: Putman, 1947), p. 28.

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Re: Religion is Horseshit
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2007, 08:44:36 AM »
I guess you're right. It's not just churchmen who manipulate people for their own ends.

I guess men of God just get on my tits more, for reasons I went into earlier.

Selfishness and egocentricity in politicians and scientists can spur them on to be great in their fields.

It becomes a problem when absolute power is twinned with a character disorder (Hitler, a shizoid personality, black-and-white thinking) or full blown mental illness (Stalin, who appears to have been a high-functioning paranoid schizophrenic.)

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