Should be basic squats and deadlifts avoided by bodybuilders.....

[triple_pickle]

good wheels, musclecenter!

[musclecenter]

musclecenter has good legs but what on earth is going on with that tiny upper body, brutal 12 inch arms.

Hmmmm
Because of I am getting old ....
Old farts always like that 

[Andre Nickatina]

Hey guys
"SQUAT IS KING OF EXERCISES "!!

No excuse !

As a old fart I have squated over 35 years !

Now I favour higher reps smith-machine full-squat due to a chronic low-back problem.

Squat to puke !

Musclecenter is a beast

[affeman]

you sound like one of those guys that just "lift to look good but don't want to be big"...which is find as long as you're not curling or stretching in my squat rack! 

So Dennis Wolf or Ben White aren't big for you???

I wanna be big, BUT I don't wanna look lika a FRIDGE!!!!!

[chris_mason]

That is not true in the sense that it will only occur if you have a hereditary propensity for it.  For instance, Sergio Oliva squatted frequently and certainly never had a wide waist.  

[chris_mason]

Yeah, sure Platz had a friggin wide waist. And that's exactly the point of my thread. Maybe he wouldn't have had such a waist if hed did more isolation movements instead of heavy squats and DLs all the time

An aestethic physique like Dennis Wolf can't be built with heavy squatting and DLs.

Bullshit!  Read my above post about Sergio Oliva.

[SteelePegasus]

I don't know why people over complicated everything

I see tons of guys squatting 405 with 2 inch range of motion..training their ego instead of their muscles..

it seems that making your calves touch your hamstring is out of style when squatting these days

315 or 225 on the smith for reps seems like an insult to them..to be honest I prefer the smith machine

[slaveboy1980]

So Dennis Wolf or Ben White aren't big for you???

I wanna be big, BUT I don't wanna look lika a FRIDGE!!!!!

those dudes are on tons of drugs, you stupid fuck.

hope this helps 

also looking at dennis wolf physique..he could need more lower back mass and hamstring mass....in other words deadlift!

also lots of other pros have squatted and deadlifted heavy.

[affeman]

those dudes are on tons of drugs, you stupid fuck.

So am I....

[slaveboy1980]

So am I....

look, deadlifts will add some thickness to abs for sure but it will be compensated by other groups growing.

can you gain mass without doing squats or deadlifts sure...but why would you do something that is not as effective as those exercises? also for a natural, you gotta do the basics. some steroid abusers can grow big legs without squatting..but even most of those squat...until they are squatting 550-600 or more for reps..(because at that point squats can become very dangerous) and when that happens they use leg press (after they built a solid foundation) or hack squats and can afford to be more lazy.

also i doubt you have 30 inch legs or are anywhere near as thick as the mentioned guys.

[thewickedtruth]

look, deadlifts will add some thickness to abs for sure but it will be compensated by other groups growing.

can you gain mass without doing squats or deadlifts sure...but why would you do something that is not as effective as those exercises? also for a natural, you gotta do the basics. some steroid abusers can grow big legs without squatting..but even most of those squat...until they are squatting 550-600 or more for reps..(because at that point squats can become very dangerous) and when that happens they use leg press (after they built a solid foundation) or hack squats and can afford to be more lazy.

also i doubt you have 30 inch legs or are anywhere near as thick as the mentioned guys.

I'M STARING TO LIKE THE BULLSHIT YOU POST! good words man! NO BULLSHIT!

And what are you talking about being lazy when your squats hit 500-600lbs?! That's when you start seeing some actual size on your legs! You cut your teeth on teh bullshit weights on the way up to 500! My legs are finally a solid 28" all thanks to squatting. They never broke 26" no matter how many leg presses, hacks, extensions, or whatever else I did. Squats are king.

let me rephrase that...FREE WEIGHT SQUATS ARE KING! Smith machine makes it even more dangerous than a regular squat. Instead of letting your body follow it's own path, you're stuck with the machine's under heavy ass weight. DUMB!

[slaveboy1980]

I'M STARING TO LIKE THE BULLSHIT YOU POST! good words man! NO BULLSHIT!

And what are you talking about being lazy when your squats hit 500-600lbs?! That's when you start seeing some actual size on your legs! You cut your teeth on teh bullshit weights on the way up to 500! My legs are finally a solid 28" all thanks to squatting. They never broke 26" no matter how many leg presses, hacks, extensions, or whatever else I did. Squats are king.

let me rephrase that...FREE WEIGHT SQUATS ARE KING! Smith machine makes it even more dangerous than a regular squat. Instead of letting your body follow it's own path, you're stuck with the machine's under heavy ass weight. DUMB!

umm im saying many mofos cut back on squatting when they start reaching 600lbs..atleast among pro builders. i never said its the right thing to do...but those guys have built a solid foundation + use tons of drugs.

a natural should use the basics and add some isolation work to that (not too much) workout 3-4 days a week. not complicated at all.

[thewickedtruth]

umm im saying many mofos cut back on squatting when they start reaching 600lbs..atleast among pro builders. i never said its the right thing to do...but those guys have built a solid foundation + use tons of drugs.

a natural should use the basics and add some isolation work to that (not too much) workout 3-4 days a week. not complicated at all.

That sounds better.... I thought you were giving the nancies a reason to stop squatting. Some people think 500 is the end all and in reality, that's just getting in the door when it comes to squatting large but, you're right I do agree wiht you. I don't plan on ever squatting over 600 for reps on anything because I already have knee issues and don't want to make them worse than what they already are. Wraps do wonders but can only do so much under that kinda weight over the years. I just started squatting 500 easily. Soon enough! I wish more people would stop looking for excuses NOT to work hard and reasons NOT to do exercises. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are MEANT to be hard work. If this shit was easy, we'd all be big and looking good.

[slaveboy1980]

That sounds better.... I thought you were giving the nancies a reason to stop squatting. Some people think 500 is the end all and in reality, that's just getting in the door when it comes to squatting large but, you're right I do agree wiht you. I don't plan on ever squatting over 600 for reps on anything because I already have knee issues and don't want to make them worse than what they already are. Wraps do wonders but can only do so much under that kinda weight over the years. I just started squatting 500 easily. Soon enough! I wish more people would stop looking for excuses NOT to work hard and reasons NOT to do exercises. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are MEANT to be hard work. If this shit was easy, we'd all be big and looking good.

hell no, you misunderstood me. what i was saying was that some skinny bitch shouldnt look at the pros training and copy what they do..because many of the pros have squatted heavy when they where up and coming and already built those 30 inch quads and can do leg press and hack squats to just maintain that size + all the drugs, also to avoid injuries.

if you want big legs? squat "olympic" style to get those quads round and thick.

[thewickedtruth]

hell no, you misunderstood me. what i was saying was that some skinny bitch shouldnt look at the pros training and copy what they do..because many of the pros have squatted heavy when they where up and coming and already built those 30 inch quads and can do leg press and hack squats to just maintain that size + all the drugs, also to avoid injuries.

if you want big legs? squat "olympic" style to get those quads round and thick.

yep!

Most people only need 3 exercises hit hard for the larger shit and 1-2 for the smaller stuff if they push it and will grow like weeds. Problem is, most people are afraid to bleed a little in the gym. If you push it and break through that mental block that burning pain is when you stop and realize that's when the growing starts, they'll grow like weeds.   After you have that good base like you suggested, then you can add iso movements to try and build in some good seperation, etc. I don't think you should worry about SHIT when it comes to legs like inner vs. outter quads, cuts, etc. until you're squatting 500 or more lbs or have legs big enough they rub holes in your underwear when you walk around.

[SquatAss]

maybe he means a "squat" ass...

Nothing wrong with that

[rccs]

Not performing squats or deads is like having a good car and not being able to accelarate it. Lots of bbers avoid squat and deads and become weak... just relying on roids... weak muscles lead to less capacity to hold on mass gains. Look at Ronnie, performs heavy squats and deads, and won 8 Mr.O's...