Should be basic squats and deadlifts avoided by bodybuilders.....

[affeman]

.....because they cause wide hips and waist and a blocky look or is that bullshit??

Discuss.

[Iron_Sheik]

Bullshit. Deadlifts and squats are the foundation exercises to build leg mass. The blocky look seems to be caused by huge obliques.

[Hedgehog]

.....because they cause wide hips and waist and a blocky look or is that bullshit??

Discuss.

Why would squats cause wide hips?

Anyone claiming this, is clearly not familiar with the insert points of the muscles involved (Hello Vince Gironda!).

Check the hips and the waists of these Olympic lifters, who does more than their fair share of squatting their training:

Same goes for deadlift. You'll only get a big midsection if you're constantly pigging out (Hello Shahriar!). What part drugs will play in the gut growing I don't really know, but it sure ain't the deadlift or the squat.

The fact that a lot of people don't squat properly, but rather do something akin to a good morning, is another issue.

But if done properly, squatting is outstanding for leg development. Why else would Olympic lifters have better sweep than most bodybuilders?

[Stark]

maybe he means a "squat" ass...

[Overload]

Bullshit.

[Brutal_1]

.....because they cause wide hips and waist and a blocky look or is that bullshit??

Discuss.

hahahaha....stop trying to be lazy, just do them and shut up! 

And don't forget to eat your oatmeal 

[webcake]

I wouldn't worry about developing a wide waist from squats and DL's. Squats are very good, but DL's are overrated. I mean most people don't know if you should do DL's for your legs or back. I dont do regular deadlifts, but i do romanian deadlifts for hams.

[hipolito mejia]

Bullshit. Deadlifts and squats are the foundation exercises to build leg mass. The blocky look seems to be caused by huge obliques.

Wrong, To build leg mass roids are the foundation then genetics of course...

stay away from heavy deadlift and squats, there's a difference between a bodybuilder and powerlifter

 leave your EGO out of the gym.

[slaveboy1980]

.....because they cause wide hips and waist and a blocky look or is that bullshit??

Discuss.

no def not. most naturals cant afford NOT to squat and deadlift to add that basic mass.

most pros did the heavy basics for years and built most of their mass using the simple basic exercises.

BUT a bodybuilder should build strength in a higher repetition range than powerlifters and should do the exercises bodybuilding style...thus avoiding "good morning" squats etc.

[thewickedtruth]

avoid them?  why?!

squats and deads give you both good size in the muscle groups they hit and help build GREAT over all power! for those that are too pussy and chicken shit to actually do them, try them for a solid month and see what kinda size and strength gains you get from them.


and I'll say it again for all you leg press heros, unless you've already got massive quads from your legpress greatness, gtfo the leg press and get in the cage. 315LB SQUATS FOR REPS will do more for your leg development than any amount of leg pressing ever could.

[slaveboy1980]

I wouldn't worry about developing a wide waist from squats and DL's. Squats are very good, but DL's are overrated. I mean most people don't know if you should do DL's for your legs or back. I dont do regular deadlifts, but i do romanian deadlifts for hams.

deadlifts arent overrated..they add brutal thickness to your body (back, hamstrings, glutes and to some extent quads..depending on how you do them). the majority of people who dont squat or deadlift..just make up excuses to avoid hard work.

but: you have to use the exercises in the correct way as a bodybuilder. a bodybuilder should use a weight that lets him contract his back as he deadlifts (thus you should as a bodybuilder avoid 95% to max weight most of them time).

for any basic exercise.: bench, squat, deadlifts...there comes a point where injuries become a big factor (most naturals never come close to these amounts of weight tho)...i.e when you become brutally strong in the basic exercises. thats when you should increase your reps to let you work intensely but with less weight or put the basic exercise late in your workout and thus letting you work with lighter poundages.

[thewickedtruth]

deadlifts arent overrated..they add brutal thickness to your body (back, hamstrings, glutes and to some extent quads..depending on how you do them). the majority of people who dont squat or deadlift..just make up excuses to avoid hard work.

but: you have to use the exercises in the correct way as a bodybuilder. a bodybuilder should use a weight that lets him contract his back as he deadlifts (thus you should as a bodybuilder avoid 95% to max weight most of them time).

for any basic exercise.: bench, squat, deadlifts...there comes a point where injuries become a big factor (most naturals never come close to these amounts of weight tho)...i.e when you become brutally strong in the basic exercises. thats when you should increase your reps to let you work intensely but with less weight or put the basic exercise late in your workout and thus letting you work with lighter poundages.

QOUTED FOR THE MOTHER FUCKIN TRUTH!!!

[slaveboy1980]

avoid them?  why?!

squats and deads give you both good size in the muscle groups they hit and help build GREAT over all power! for those that are too pussy and chicken shit to actually do them, try them for a solid month and see what kinda size and strength gains you get from them.


and I'll say it again for all you leg press heros, unless you've already got massive quads from your legpress greatness, gtfo the leg press and get in the cage. 315LB SQUATS FOR REPS will do more for your leg development than any amount of leg pressing ever could.

first good post from you  !!

agreed! 315lbs deep squats for reps (non goodmorning style!!!!) is very good for a natural and will for most people mean that they have good leg size

[Deicide]

.....because they cause wide hips and waist and a blocky look or is that bullshit??

Discuss.

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[thewickedtruth]

first good post from you  !!

agreed! 315lbs deep squats for reps (non goodmorning style!!!!) is very good for a natural and will for most people mean that they have good leg size

I have my moments every few thousand posts!  

honeslty though..as long as I've been training, I wish i'd have done squats and deads from the beginning.. from the results i've gotten in such a short amount of time, I'm in love with them. Especially squats.

[Royalty]

In my opinion a person could develop huge quads by following this simple routine (and not have issues with hip growth):

Barbell Front Squats - 4 sets
Barbell Back Squats - 4 sets

[Monster81]

There is a diffrence between a wide waist and a thick waist,

A thick waist is what u get by deadlifting, a wide waist is what u get by excess insulin 

[slaveboy1980]

I have my moments every few thousand posts!  

honeslty though..as long as I've been training, I wish i'd have done squats and deads from the beginning.. from the results i've gotten in such a short amount of time, I'm in love with them. Especially squats.

ohh yes, i been in this game for 12 years..started working out when i was 14-15. and i have had my periods of laziness where i havent squatted or deadlifted..not much happened to my physique when i didnt (im a natural). a natural JUST CAN AFFORD NOT TO DO THE BASICS. i tried all kind of fancy routines....but in truth they are just lazy man excuses trying to hide behind psedu scientific bullshit.

sure you have guys like dillet who claimed never to squat and only did leg press hack squat and leg extensions.

but if your hormonized to the max you can get away with lots of things a natural cant....the margin of error is wider for a aas user.

a natural has to use the most effective exercises. (i.e the basics)

there are 1000s of different workout routines..but for a natural the eternal constant should be the basic exercises.

squats (or front squats)
deadlifts
bench press (or low incline bench press)

these exercises should be done bodybuilding style (if your a bodybuilder)

[musclecenter]

Hey guys
"SQUAT IS KING OF EXERCISES "!!

No excuse !

As a old fart I have squated over 35 years !

Now I favour higher reps smith-machine full-squat due to a chronic low-back problem.

Squat to puke !

[slaveboy1980]

In my opinion a person could develop huge quads by following this simple routine (and not have issues with hip growth):

Barbell Front Squats - 4 sets
Barbell Back Squats - 4 sets

yes..or simply squats.....as heavy deep squas build hamstrings too. but i have always loved the front squats too.

some people get confused by the pros workouts...they can do lots isolation movements because they already have lots of mass + they do alot of ineffective stuff that their extreme hormone usage masks.

im willing to bet most pros would look basically the same if they only worked out 3 or max 4 days a week using mostly the basics..with of course some isolation movements.

in my opinion most pros could cut their isolation work in half and still look as complete as they do and not see their physiques become powerlifting physiques.

lots of guys do alot of unecessary things...just because they love lifting and are obsessed.

[affeman]

Hey guys
"SQUAT IS KING OF EXERCISES "!!

No excuse !

As a old fart I have squated over 35 years !

Yeah! And your waist is wider than your lats, as we can see on the picture...... Pure chance???


I just watched the Ben White episode "In the trenches" and there he claims that squats and DLs are NoGo for BBs because they just create a blocky look and wide waist. Same goes for many other pros (Wheeler, Dillet, Ruhl,.....) and also amateurs I know personally so it kinda confuses me....

But please don't think that I'm too lazy for these exercises guys, I did them from my first workout week on (4 years ago...)

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[musclecenter]

Yeah! And your waist is wider than your lats, as we can see on the picture...... Pure chance???

Yes ,I think so
many years of heavy weights & high sets maybe make your waist wider .
Take a look at Tom Platz's body .

[The Squadfather]

musclecenter has good legs but what on earth is going on with that tiny upper body, brutal 12 inch arms.

[affeman]

Yes ,I think so
many years of heavy weights & high sets maybe make your waist wider .
Take a look at Tom Platz's body .

Yeah, sure Platz had a friggin wide waist. And that's exactly the point of my thread. Maybe he wouldn't have had such a waist if hed did more isolation movements instead of heavy squats and DLs all the time

An aestethic physique like Dennis Wolf can't be built with heavy squatting and DLs.

[thewickedtruth]

Yeah, sure Platz had a friggin wide waist. And that's exactly the point of my thread. Maybe he wouldn't have had such a waist if hed did more isolation movements instead of heavy squats and DLs all the time

An aestethic physique like Dennis Wolf can't be built with heavy squatting and DLs.

you sound like one of those guys that just "lift to look good but don't want to be big"...which is find as long as you're not curling or stretching in my squat rack!