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[kolja]

You are only taking into account physical maturity while ignoring mental maturity.

In those cases in which it's EVER achieved... 

[JOHN MATRIX]

 And what crap theory is this that a 12 or 13 year old girl is not psychologically ready to have sex? During tens of thousands of years, this was the age girls started having sex and getting pregnant, and the evidence that they were mature enough to handle it is that the Human Species survived to this day. Geez...if 13 year-old girls made such incompetent mothers, don't you think Humanity would have extinguished? I think so.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

i get what your saying but..a girl that age may be physically capable of reproducing but 99% of them will still exhibit prepubescent traits...a body that does not appear to be matured and therefore will not attract (normal) males, therefore indicating that in most cases they are probably not yet in an ideal reproductive state.

back then people did it out of necessity cause the lifespans were so much shorter. not because it was as optimal a time for reproducing as girls several years older.

nowadays that would fall into pedophile range because a 12 yr old will physically exhibit child-like characteristics rather than matured womanly characteristics.

[suckmymuscle]

In today's society girls are not psychologically ready to have sex in another time it was the ' norm ' then again its not all societies because in Brazil & Thailand the age of the prosititues are around that age but then again it doesn't mean they're not effected by it .

  no, the only thing that changed is the completely arbitrary age when Society deems it ok for girls to have sex and marriage. There is no evidence that girls are less mature today; if anything, they are more mature today. You brought up psychological maturity, and I pointed out to you that if 13 year-old girls lacked maturity to be mothers then the Human Spceies would have disappeared because during thousands of years girlas became mothers around that age. Ever saw Rome&Juliete? Well, Juliete was a13 in the play, and she was about to get married.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

i get what your saying but..a girl that age may be physically capable of reproducing but 99% of them will still exhibit prepubescent traits...a body that does not appear to be matured and therefore will not attract (normal) males, therefore indicating that in most cases they are probably not yet in an ideal reproductive state.

back then people did it out of necessity cause the lifespans were so much shorter. not because it was as optimal a time for reproducing as girls several years older.

nowadays that would fall into pedophile range because a 12 yr old will physically exhibit child-like characteristics rather than matured womanly characteristics.

  What you're saying is immaterial because pre-pubescent traits are not what indicates whether a girl is ready for pregnancy or not; menarch is. Menstuation only comes when secondary sexual characteristics become evident, and that's what makes men sexually attracted to women.

  And you're wrong about age of first pregnancy in the Ancient times being younger due to lifespans being shorter. The ideal age, physiologically, for a girl to get pregnant for the first time truly is 13-16, and not the abnormal 25+ years old that women nowadays get pregnant for the first time. The evidence? Fertility decreases by 5% per year after age 21 in women, to the point where a 31 year old has a 50% lower cance of getting preganant than a 21 year-old. By the age of 40, most womena re sterile and the ones who get preganant give birth to children with an unusually high rate of autism, schizofrenia, Down's Syndrome and epilepsy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[the choad]

  What you're saying is immaterial because pre-pubescent traits are not what indicates whether a girl is ready for pregnancy or not; menarch is. Menstuation only comes when secondary sexual characteristics become evident, and that's what makes men sexually attracted to women.

  And you're wrong about age of first pregnancy in the Ancient times being younger due to lifespans being shorter. The ideal age, physiologically, for a girl to get pregnant for the first time truly is 13-16, and not the abnormal 25+ years old that women nowadays get pregnant for the first time. The evidence? Fertility decreases by 5% per year after age 21 in women, to the point where a 31 year old has a 50% lower cance of getting preganant than a 21 year-old. By the age of 40, most womena re sterile and the ones who get preganant give birth to children with an unusually high rate of autism, schizofrenia, Down's Syndrome and epilepsy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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[saucetradomous]

  What you're saying is immaterial because pre-pubescent traits are not what indicates whether a girl is ready for pregnancy or not; menarch is. Menstuation only comes when secondary sexual characteristics become evident, and that's what makes men sexually attracted to women.

  And you're wrong about age of first pregnancy in the Ancient times being younger due to lifespans being shorter. The ideal age, physiologically, for a girl to get pregnant for the first time truly is 13-16, and not the abnormal 25+ years old that women nowadays get pregnant for the first time. The evidence? Fertility decreases by 5% per year after age 21 in women, to the point where a 31 year old has a 50% lower cance of getting preganant than a 21 year-old. By the age of 40, most womena re sterile and the ones who get preganant give birth to children with an unusually high rate of autism, schizofrenia, Down's Syndrome and epilepsy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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[JOHN MATRIX]

  What you're saying is immaterial because pre-pubescent traits are not what indicates whether a girl is ready for pregnancy or not; menarch is. Menstuation only comes when secondary sexual characteristics become evident, and that's what makes men sexually attracted to women.

  And you're wrong about age of first pregnancy in the Ancient times being younger due to lifespans being shorter. The ideal age, physiologically, for a girl to get pregnant for the first time truly is 13-16, and not the abnormal 25+ years old that women nowadays get pregnant for the first time. The evidence? Fertility decreases by 5% per year after age 21 in women, to the point where a 31 year old has a 50% lower cance of getting preganant than a 21 year-old. By the age of 40, most womena re sterile and the ones who get preganant give birth to children with an unusually high rate of autism, schizofrenia, Down's Syndrome and epilepsy.

thats pretty much what i said. i never said anything about 25-40 year old women. i said the optimal period is probably a few years after the initial 'menarch' which you put at 12-13, therefore around 15-17 which is almost the same as what your saying.

[Special Ed]

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[Army of One]

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[Parker]

  What you're saying is immaterial because pre-pubescent traits are not what indicates whether a girl is ready for pregnancy or not; menarch is. Menstuation only comes when secondary sexual characteristics become evident, and that's what makes men sexually attracted to women.

  And you're wrong about age of first pregnancy in the Ancient times being younger due to lifespans being shorter. The ideal age, physiologically, for a girl to get pregnant for the first time truly is 13-16, and not the abnormal 25+ years old that women nowadays get pregnant for the first time. The evidence? Fertility decreases by 5% per year after age 21 in women, to the point where a 31 year old has a 50% lower cance of getting preganant than a 21 year-old. By the age of 40, most womena re sterile and the ones who get preganant give birth to children with an unusually high rate of autism, schizofrenia, Down's Syndrome and epilepsy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

What do the outside effects of hormones in food, extremely high protein diet, and mdeical advancements have to contribute? For instance, back in thdays of King James, women had 15 inch ( and some 13 ich) waists. Not now. Why because women and men were smaller. This was especially noted when EUropeans came to America, where the Native Americans were noticeably taller  (around the 6 foot mark), due to their high protein diets. Just go into a colonial house and see where the door frame is.

It is not uncommon for girls today to get their menses at 9 and 8 years old, even having "speed bumps" at that age. As a matter of fact, is it s a growing trend that girls are having this happen. This has probably been brought on by all the hormones in our food (ever heard of the song "Similac Child"). So to say that it is natural for a girl to have sex because of her menses is inconclusive, because most of of Western society relys on un-natural means  to cultivate and grow food, and having un-natural diets as well as medicinal supplements within our diet that others before other did not have. 

As far  as those diseases being common in women who are apparent within their 40's, their is no finite evidence that suggests that, because, one, how do we know that those people were not genetically pre-disposed for those ailments in the first place. And two, how do we know that certain medications that were given to the mother or child (for instance the uproar over the increase of autism suppposedly due to vaccinations given to infants). Too many questions to rule out...

In order to say what is natural, we must first eat naturally and try to medicate ourselves naturally and then let nature take it's course.

[Bast000]

playboy = all airbrushed.