If you are determining if someone is on Steroids....

[gtbro1]

 gym bag full of needles

[arce377]

You can just tell. Bottom line.

[Beener]

Which is my point exactly, duh.

99% of people in the street would assume a decent level natty was "on" juice because he is big / cut / whatever. And the shitty little McD's diet crap genetics rag top wearing no hoper bum who is on a gram and a half a week and doesn't half even close to the mass of the elite level natty will be assumed to be clean because he is smaller / weaker / fatter / whatever.

Whereas the experienced eye know what to look for and can see it a mile away... it ain't size or conditioning that gives it away, or any sides or anything like that. It's a certain, very definite look that people invariably get when they are on vitamin T. Like the poof said, you know it when you see it.

So where are these big and cut natties you talk about? I've never seen em..i must be blind

[Matt C]

what are your determining factors?  What would make you say that guy is juicing?


Discuss!!!

This is a good sign:

[just_a_pilgrim]

There is a look. Even on guys with not much muscle, the skin gets a look and texture that a seasoned juicer/gym goer can see.

Saying that someone can come off and hold a lot of muscle without that look. I remember when i was clean for 5-6 months people still thought i was on.

But i've seen clean-for-life guys who most people on the street would say was on gear, and i've seen plenty of gear uses who look like rubbish. Only when you know the look can you tell the difference.

[DK II]

Thankyou. That one made me laugh.

go away.

[DVSGOD]

not too many guys can get much over 200 - 225 lean without drugs.Just my opinion..I'm sure there are guys out there, but if you are 230 + and very low BF you are suspect(unless you are pretty tall)


 

Agree,plus the muscles have a tight but extreme fullness to them.

[Cleanest Natural]

errr...just ask them!

Oops I forgot, you guys live in America where it's BAAAAD to juice 

Seriously, there is a look which cannot lie, it's impossible to describe but I'm pretty sure anyone who's around drug assisted athletes often will know exactly what I mean. I've seen the best natural BBers in the world, and all kinds of assisted athletes and it is ALWAYS very obvious who is / isn't on.

G

agreed 100%

[BigCypriate]

They look like michael lockett or Jrod

[spinnis]

They look like michael lockett or Jrod

The looked Big and now like this  ..........LOL

[muscularny]

disproportionate growth of traps/deltoids; backne; significant vascularity; male-pattern baldness; low bodyfat but still have swollen (and often red) face; constant fluctuations in weight (especially for newbies who don't know about PCT); and most importantly: big, cut, and not black.

ummm noone does pct only people who have no clue, hire any expert and they will tell you PCT is not needed, I know this goes against everything you heard but lets see guys on normal HRT cycles (not those who always take) do no PCT any endocrinologist even those will will give you 400+ test a week will tell you PCT is not needed and guys who advise bodybuilders recently stopped with all that clomid and HCG crap, like Dave polumbo recently wrote in a MD Q&A hes like when women get ogg the birth control pill they dont need to take anything to kick start their system same with men over time body will start on its own

then again usually those who are still busy with strict form crap will also yap about PCT nobody who knows anything does it

[gtbro1]

 I know that he chose the lifestyle he lived...but still,it is sad to see a person wither away like that.

[Deicide]

The looked Big and now like this  ..........LOL

Holy Fucking Shit! Is that for real?!

[Tom]

what is PCT? laugh?!