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HIT....YES/NO
« on: March 13, 2008, 02:26:13 PM »
hey guys, hope everyone has had a productive start tot he year trianing wise.

As iv blabbed ona a few times in diff threads probably, im a DC'er at the mo and like it alot, great gains, and love the intensity.

I am wandering tho, from the intensity side of things, does anyone here follow a HIT routine??I know we have Markus Reindhart on the Natty board, helping guys out who actually trained with mike and appeared in his Dvd's. I alwasy like hearing about other routines, and wandered about people use and success with it.
Im talking 3 types of failure kind of HIT?

Incase u wer curious, another guys who said he trained a little with Mike said this was a routinehe followed.would be good if Markus could clarify as to wether the below routine would have been something Mike would ever have perscribed.


"Workout 1
Pec Deck 6 to 10 reps
With no rest do Incline Press 2 to 4 reps

Close Grip (Palm Up) Lat Pulldowns 6 to 10 reps

Deadlift 5 to 8 reps.

Rest at least 3 days.

Workout 2
Leg Extension 8 to 15 reps
With no rest do Leg Press 8 to 15 reps

Calf Raise 12 to 20 reps

Rest at least 3 days.

Workout 3
Dumbell Laterals 6 to 10 reps

Rear Laterals 6 to 10 reps.

Barbell Curls 6 to 10 reps.

Tricep Pressdowns 6 to 10 reps.
With no reps do Dips 3 to 5 reps.

Rest at least 3 days.

Workout 4
Leg Extentions 8 to 15 reps
With no rest do Squat 8 to 15 reps.

Calf Raise 12 to 20 reps.

Rest at least 3 day.

Go back to Workout 1, etc.

Some points of importance are:

* Slow controlled reps.

* Only one set to failure, per exercise.

* Add weight as often as possible, while keeping
form perfect.

* Have someone there to push you.

* Keep a training journal."

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 06:36:40 AM »
I find the ultra low volume of HIT an attractive prospect, allowing your training to have only a small impact on your general productivity/work/personal life etc.

However in all honesty, i don't think i've got the will/motivation to go as balls-out intensity wise as HIT really requires to do it justice.

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 08:57:38 AM »
Yeh, but look at the likes of mike or markus and u can c wat can be done.

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2008, 09:43:35 AM »
ive been training 13 yrs, and as far as im concerend the heavy duty style and the hit style are top for packing on size... however, it does play hell with your joints and muscle fibres and you will end up with a pile of injuries sooner or later.. id advise anyone to go with the middle ground

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 03:03:01 AM »
ive been training 13 yrs, and as far as im concerend the heavy duty style and the hit style are top for packing on size... however, it does play hell with your joints and muscle fibres and you will end up with a pile of injuries sooner or later.. id advise anyone to go with the middle ground

hey local hero, i thought it would be like that 2, but after speaking a bit with markus reindhart, he says thats all he uses now, and due to the slow positive and negative he uses he doesnt have joint problems?!

What does ur set up look like?

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2008, 09:47:55 AM »
Absolutely no weight has nothing to do with how big you are or how you look if your looking for pure strength then yeah bodybuilding no way

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2008, 10:19:37 AM »
We always used spot on form, nice and slow with a tense at the top etc etc.... but when your goin for one set your putting it on the line, and if your truly goin to failure in the 8 to ten rep range your goin to be using some big poundages with out realy easing your body into it...

These days just for safetys sake i'll do 3 sets of ten to 15 for everything ( after a very thorough warm up ), dont realy go to failure in the way i used to, just get a nice pop then put the weight down, im not a quivering wreck afterwards anymore

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2008, 11:01:56 AM »
We always used spot on form, nice and slow with a tense at the top etc etc.... but when your goin for one set your putting it on the line, and if your truly goin to failure in the 8 to ten rep range your goin to be using some big poundages with out realy easing your body into it...

These days just for safetys sake i'll do 3 sets of ten to 15 for everything ( after a very thorough warm up ), dont realy go to failure in the way i used to, just get a nice pop then put the weight down, im not a quivering wreck afterwards anymore

Fair enouugh bro, i wud have thot after plenty of warm up sets etc to warm up joints/muscles u could go to 3 stages of failure wihtout 2 much prob.

Im a DC'er and i go to positive failure on every set (unless i get a rep up and i barely make it, them il stop there b/c i know im not gonna manage the next 1.

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2008, 11:40:41 AM »
We always used spot on form, nice and slow with a tense at the top etc etc.... but when your goin for one set your putting it on the line, and if your truly goin to failure in the 8 to ten rep range your goin to be using some big poundages with out realy easing your body into it...

These days just for safetys sake i'll do 3 sets of ten to 15 for everything ( after a very thorough warm up ), dont realy go to failure in the way i used to, just get a nice pop then put the weight down, im not a quivering wreck afterwards anymore

weight is not important at all try giant sets my friend not only will you grow but you may not make it through the work out

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2008, 11:10:46 AM »
weight is not important at all try giant sets my friend not only will you grow but you may not make it through the work out

Not a HIT method tho yes/no?

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 01:21:49 PM »
I've done a lot of both Jonsian HIT and Mentzer/Yates style Heavy Duty.  I like them both, but I think heavy duty is probably the better of the two in reference to just hypertrophy training.

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 02:53:13 PM »
I've done a lot of both Jonsian HIT and Mentzer/Yates style Heavy Duty.  I like them both, but I think heavy duty is probably the better of the two in reference to just hypertrophy training.

ALSO....on the flip side, anyone tried Arthur Jones (founder Of high intensity) routine??

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 03:11:49 PM »
Not a HIT method tho yes/no?

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 07:40:55 PM »
HIt...

Use it 1 month a year when you need to give your joints a break.
Use it when you are super busy with work/school for 8-10 weeks.
Use it so you'll appreciate high volume again.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 03:49:27 AM »
HIt...

Use it 1 month a year when you need to give your joints a break.
Use it when you are super busy with work/school for 8-10 weeks.
Use it so you'll appreciate high volume again.

high volume is not better, wel not for me anyway (or alot of other people if theyd just cut there volume and upped intensity).

Iv had best gains of my life with DC.

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2008, 10:26:05 AM »
Tinkering (man that sounds gay), with the idea of having a break from DC, tho im not really sure y, just stepped on the scale and am up 10lbs in the last 6 1/2 week blast with DC-little fat gians.

Iv learnt so much about intensity and diet from DC, and am wondering if appplying what i now know and have learnt from DC would yield great results with HIT?!

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2008, 10:02:35 AM »
Tinkering (man that sounds gay), with the idea of having a break from DC, tho im not really sure y, just stepped on the scale and am up 10lbs in the last 6 1/2 week blast with DC-little fat gians.

Iv learnt so much about intensity and diet from DC, and am wondering if appplying what i now know and have learnt from DC would yield great results with HIT?!

davie

I am a HIT heavy duty type. I do use high volume training during the year and sometimes GVT. I have made great gains with all three. They are all effective. If you are making great gains (which you are) with DC then stick with it until you stop making gains. Then switch it up. Go for GVT next or HIT or whatever - make your gains from that and when they stop switch again. This is a way of keeping your body growing/guessing!
For the moment stick with DC and a decent diet and you are in line for great progress. Don't make the mistake of changing your training too often and not making any gains whatsoever!

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Re: HIT....YES/NO
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2008, 10:40:44 PM »
hey local hero, i thought it would be like that 2, but after speaking a bit with markus reindhart, he says thats all he uses now, and due to the slow positive and negative he uses he doesnt have joint problems?!

What does ur set up look like?

davie

Hi davie - your right..I am doing very slow movements with HIT and never got injured - if you do it right..I think HIT has a far less chance to get you injured then other sorts of training - I have done both, Volume as well as HIT - as matter of fact I had some real bad shoulder problems back in 94 when I benched 485 for 3 rather explosive reps - back then..I was doing a lot of higher volume with explosive training - my chest never really improved until I changed that to Pre-exhaust/HD style - same as in Mike Video. So for anyone concerned about the danger of HIT...its very safe and due to the slow rep cadence impossible to fuck up.

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2008, 10:53:29 AM »
Dorian Yates does a HIT type workout nowadays but he built up mostly thru traditional levels of volume training. He evolved to his current regime.

I do HIT occasionally for a change and it's definitely good for maintenance but I have no idea if it's ever given me real gains except in the calves. With them, two warmup sets and one all-out full-stretch intense set to failure worked great in building up my calf strength, using the standing calf machine.

Mike M. was a genetic freak. Many critics of HIT point out he would have gained his mass using whatever training method he chose. Additionally, from what information I've read on Mike M., I have doubts he was doing HIT only for his career, especially his time in Cali.

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2008, 06:50:58 PM »
Dorian Yates does a HIT type workout nowadays but he built up mostly thru traditional levels of volume training. He evolved to his current regime.

I do HIT occasionally for a change and it's definitely good for maintenance but I have no idea if it's ever given me real gains except in the calves. With them, two warmup sets and one all-out full-stretch intense set to failure worked great in building up my calf strength, using the standing calf machine.

Mike M. was a genetic freak. Many critics of HIT point out he would have gained his mass using whatever training method he chose. Additionally, from what information I've read on Mike M., I have doubts he was doing HIT only for his career, especially his time in Cali.

Mike certainly was a genetic freak - however, he did train with Volume (up to 3 hours a day at times!) with little progress - same story with me..I did Volume for years and have built some muscle with it yes, but fairly little results if u take into consideration that time I wasted in the gym for it - I now train 3-4 times a week, each session lasting only 20-25mins tops - probably more then some HITTERS but my genetics allow me to do so - I will never switch to volume again - unless I decide to keep progressing.

I am now doing HIT all the way to my contest and I am looking insane at 227lbs and under 10 percent bodyfat - HIT plus cardio and diet is the key!

For any info on HIT please feel free to visit my site - www.markusreinhardt.com

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