Was Kai here...?

[chaos]

I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than
It wont generate any new interest,

Exactly.

[PJim]

The reason that Kai's face looks "chubby" is the anatomical structure of  his face, in other words, the guy's got a big jawline with dense muscle on top of it!

[Quo]

He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay.  and the only porn he's done has been solo.

basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.

yes, I've seen it.  He fucks a grapefruit.

all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips.  every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.

in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)

wow..you are sure knowledgable on this subject....

[dyslexic]

grapefruits are a citrus fruit... fruit.

[gib]

His face IS leaner in contest shape...check him out in the offseason.  Not everyone responds the same to diet


I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than Kai winning


It wont generate any new interest, nor change what anyone else does....

Regarding Kai's face, look at guys like Lee Priest, Cutler, Wolf, etc. Off season their faces bloat up, and when they are physically in shape, their faces are really lean. I maintain that to me, Kai's chubby face indicated he could have lost a little more water and fat, and come in even leaner.

Chick - I am not referring to Kai's background when I ask if this will change anything. What I mean is, what about the ramifications of Kai's posing routine? Some people have referred to it a "disguisting", "fag", "gay" etc and that he should have been disqualified. Other's consider it to be an a welcome change. I still have not made my mind up. What he did seems unorthodox to say the least. To me, people like Zane, Labrada, Matarazzo, Levrone etc epitomise what a good posing routine should be. Strong, bold, fluid poses, that show off key muscle groups in an elegant and dignified sequence of moves.

Can you give us an insight to what the other competitors think. I mean, to put it rather bluntly, you can't help wonder whether a guy like Branch is thinking to himself "OK, so to win, I gotta come in in great shape, and then get on dance around on stage like a faggott".

Kai's routine is so different from everyone elses that it does raise the question of how to judge something like that. Do you give a guy additional points for handstands and breakdancing moves? Arguably, a person who demonstrates flexibility and strength combined with a physique should get more points, but I think either way competitors need to know where they stand on this. Is there any rule of the IFBB that you must not pose in a way that brings the sport into disripute? Because seriously, what Kai did, to many does fall into that category for sure (which is why I think Arnold was slightly unfomfortable and at a loss for words when he awarded the trophy).

Thanks - I really appreciate all your comments and insights etc.

[240 is Back]

i think luke wood had that triple chin, even when at 5% body fat.  genetics.

[timfogarty]

Kai's routine is so different from everyone elses that it does raise the question of how to judge something like that.

the posing routine is done at the evening show.    most of the scoring is done in the afternoon with mandatories and side by side comparisons.   in the past, all of the scoring was done at the 'pre-judging', with the final placings determined before the evening show even began.  now some points are awarded in the evening comparisons, which may change a placing or two, but not much more than that.

to put it another way, for almost 20 years now, it's been mass always wins over symmetry and proportionality.  why would posing style suddenly matter?

[gib]

So if 2 guys are ranked equal, and one poses like Branch (or the rest of the guys) and one poses totally different (like Kai), who should win?