Author Topic: Was Kai here...? (Read 8914 times)

gib · « **on:** March 08, 2009, 07:41:08 PM »

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gib · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2009, 07:45:39 PM »

HAHHAHA - well seriously, congrats on the win to Kai.

This really does pose a demimma for bodybuilding though, given his background and sexual habits etc.

Still, I got to hand it too him, he really came in looking pretty good. Quite amazing how lean he was, as his face did not have that lean dieted down look.

Wiggs · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:49:56 PM »

Quote from: gib on March 08, 2009, 07:45:39 PM

HAHHAHA - well seriously, congrats on the win to Kai.

This really does pose a demimma for bodybuilding though, given his background and sexual habits etc.

Still, I got to hand it too him, he really came in looking pretty good. Quite amazing how lean he was, as his face did not have that lean dieted down look.

Backgrounds and sexual habits? That's very old shit.

McFarland · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:51:40 PM »

Relentless · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:12:09 PM »

Look at the striations on those quads! GEEZUS.

gib · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:33:25 PM »

I am happy for the guy. The bb'ing life is not always easy. I am sure he has some regrets about the past. Will be interesting to see what happens from now. Part of the problem is that unlike other sports which are objectively judged, it seems bb'ing is more and more iat risk of being influenced by a competitors background, marketing potential, etc.

I also wonder what Arnold was thinking. I honestly think, from the look on his face, that he must be been somewhat concerned about being seen and associated with Kai, but I think he presented the prize with dignity, which reflected positively on both Arnold, Kai, and the event itself.

gib · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2009, 10:00:01 PM »

What I do think though is that having Kai win this will provide "evidence" for guys like BAYGAM that this is a "gay" sport. I still disagree with that by the way. Yes, gays are in the sport of bb'ing, just like that are in any sport. And some sports are more "gay" than others (eg ice-skating, diving for example". But remember we have had gay champions in the past - remember Bob Paris, for example?

But seriously, whether right or wrong, is things like this that will make young men more ashamed to admit they are into bb'ing, and less willing to buy the magazines etc, as yunger guys in particular are overly sensitive to being wrongly accused of being gay....

INSOMNIA · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:08:49 PM »

Quote from: McFarland on March 08, 2009, 08:51:40 PM

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Amazing...! congrats Kai!!!

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:55:40 PM »

the photo's of vanessa williams sucking tongues with a chick didnt set back her career much and that was 20 years ago. the question is where does kai want to take his career.

timfogarty · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2009, 12:01:05 AM »

Quote from: gib on March 08, 2009, 10:00:01 PM

But remember we have had gay champions in the past - remember Bob Paris, for example?

first has Kai every come out? I don't think so. (some effeminate guys are still straight you know)

even if he has, there is a difference. Bob Paris never did porn, never was a stripper, never ran escort ads in the back of the gay bar rags. (1999 or so, NYC) Same can be said about Chris Dickerson and Jim Morris, both openly gay. (OK, they both appeared in Colt, but those are artistic nude, never with an erection, and well after their pro careers.)

there have been plenty of gay or g4p bodybuilders who escorted, but it was all kept very secret, and the average fan never suspected. the internet changed all that.

gib · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2009, 12:57:33 AM »

Two - points - having a girl kissing another is overall a pretty positive type of scandle, if you know what I mean. On the other hand, a guy doing whatever gays do, to another guy, generally is not particuraly positive for person's career.

On the point of "has Hai actually come out". The answer is he is so obviously gay, that he does not need to. Look at his posing routines for one thing. And then if you want further evidence, aren't there gay porn movies of him too?

As for Bob Paris, yes, that is exactly my point. He handled his gayness with dignity (if such a thing is possible). On the other hand, jerking off into a grapefruit (which is the thing I keep hearing about Kai) is pretty undignified no matter how you try to justify it. Still, it may only be a rumor (although I know people who swear they have seen the actual clip of him doing that). Does anyone know for sure if he really did that???

timfogarty · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2009, 01:05:32 AM »

Quote from: gib on March 09, 2009, 12:57:33 AM

On the point of "has Hai actually come out". The answer is he is so obviously gay, that he does not need to. Look at his posing routines for one thing. And then if you want further evidence, aren't there gay porn movies of him too?

He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay. and the only porn he's done has been solo.

basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.

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jerking off into a grapefruit (which is the thing I keep hearing about Kai) is pretty undignified no matter how you try to justify it. Still, it may only be a rumor (although I know people who swear they have seen the actual clip of him doing that). Does anyone know for sure if he really did that???

yes, I've seen it. He fucks a grapefruit.

all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips. every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.

in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)

gib · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2009, 01:59:45 AM »

OK - well, I am not gay, so ould someone explain to me what led to him doing that to a grapefruit? I

I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc, and as far as fruit goes, maybe putting bananas or fallic objects into each other anus's, but I don't get the having sex with a grapefruit, or even how would you actually do that!

Did he make a hole in it and then have sex with it? And another silly question, but if so, would those acid juices from the grapefruit not have burned his urethra???

gordiano · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:04:35 AM »

Quote from: gib on March 09, 2009, 01:59:45 AM

OK - well, I am not gay, so ould someone explain to me what led to him doing that to a grapefruit? I

I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc, and as far as fruit goes, maybe putting bananas or fallic objects into each other anus's, but I don't get the having sex with a grapefruit, or even how would you actually do that!

Did he make a hole in it and then have sex with it? And another silly question, but if so, would those acid juices from the grapefruit not have burned his urethra???

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

timfogarty · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:37:36 AM »

Quote from: gib on March 09, 2009, 01:59:45 AM

I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc,

lots of different types of porn out there. Playboy built an empire without showing any action. Now on the internet, lots of people are willing to pay $19.95 a month to see muscular guys flex without any nudity. lots more are willing to pay to see really muscular guys jack off. that's the demand side of the equation.

on the supply side, obviously lots of competition bodybuilders are willing to jack off on video. not so many are willing to actually have full contact sex.

gib · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:58:34 AM »

Thanks for clarifying.

Just out of interest then, any idea what would he have been paid for that grapefruit scene? A few thousand?

I think honestly, even if you were really deseperate for money, you need to draw the line somewhere. Having live sex with a grapefruit surely falls WAY below that line in most people's books.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2009, 05:23:24 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 09, 2009, 01:05:32 AM

He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay. and the only porn he's done has been solo.

basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.

yes, I've seen it. He fucks a grapefruit.

all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips. every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.

in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)

so, you speak for all gays?

The Wizard of Truth · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:45:18 AM »

I reckon Kai is not gay but either way this was a bodybuilding contest he won,not a who's the straightest contest

gib · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:16:08 AM »

" I reckon Kai is not gay but either way this was a bodybuilding contest he won,not a who's the straightest contest".

Dude - have you see his posing routine and some of his previous pix? The guy is as queer as a frog.

But I do agree with your latter point. And I agree, he brought in an awesome physique. He deserved to win.

gib · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:26:46 PM »

On a related note, why is it that his face still looks quite chubby and bloated, but his body was pretty hard and lean? To me, the lack of the "lean, sunken jaw" look, shows that he has the potential to come in even harder and leaner. Imagine how he would have looked with another 5-8 pounds of fat-loss!!

Chick · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:31:09 PM »

Quote from: gib on March 09, 2009, 07:26:46 PM

On a related note, why is it that his face still looks quite chubby and bloated, but his body was pretty hard and lean? To me, the lack of the "lean, sunken jaw" look, shows that he has the potential to come in even harder and leaner. Imagine how he would have looked with another 5-8 pounds of fat-loss!!

If you think he has 5-8 lbs. of fat to lose, i'm not sure were talking about the same guy

gib · « **Reply #21 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:39:10 PM »

Chick - I agree, he came in looking awesome, great muscularity etc. He clearly came very close to hitting his conditioning right on, and I think he deserved to be right up there in the top three.

But still, I can't help but wonder about the chubby face. To me the leanness of a face of a bodybuilder is a key sign of what the rest of his body will look like in terms of how cut and conditioned it will be, suggesting to me that he had the potential to come in even leaner than he was. Any thoughts on that?

PS - would love to hear your thoughts on the whole ramifications of Kai winning. How it changes what is expected of posing routines. I presume there are some in the industry who are embarassed and unfomfortable with what happened, yet others who see this as a way forward, and a way to generate new interest.

PPS - I can't help wonder what was truely going through Arnold's mind when he presented the winning trophy. Any thoughts?

gib · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:32:36 PM »

PS - go to the very bottom of the pics on the first link, and you will see a guy of the type that BayGAM likes (I believe they are called muscle bears....).

tbombz · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:38:42 PM »

if kai is attracted to men, its in addition to being attracted to females, as he has had girlfriends in the past.

he seems like a straight man to me. i dont correlate artistic traits, or intellectual traits, with being feminine.

Chick · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:43:46 PM »

Quote from: gib on March 09, 2009, 07:39:10 PM

Chick - I agree, he came in looking awesome, great muscularity etc. He clearly came very close to hitting his conditioning right on, and I think he deserved to be right up there in the top three.

But still, I can't help but wonder about the chubby face. To me the leanness of a face of a bodybuilder is a key sign of what the rest of his body will look like in terms of how cut and conditioned it will be, suggesting to me that he had the potential to come in even leaner than he was. Any thoughts on that?

PS - would love to hear your thoughts on the whole ramifications of Kai winning. How it changes what is expected of posing routines. I presume there are some in the industry who are embarassed and unfomfortable with what happened, yet others who see this as a way forward, and a way to generate new interest.

PPS - I can't help wonder what was truely going through Arnold's mind when he presented the winning trophy. Any thoughts?

His face IS leaner in contest shape...check him out in the offseason. Not everyone responds the same to diet

I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than Kai winning

It wont generate any new interest, nor change what anyone else does....