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Stuck at the same point.. Pls look in to this.
« on: November 24, 2008, 10:37:30 PM »
Hello to all.. I am from Sri Lanka.

I've been lifting weights for a while now. My prob is even though I am getting good results in chest,Shoulders and other major muscle groups I seem to be going nowhere with arms.

Even though the  arms are little defined than before, when measured size is the same as 6 months ago.

I might not be a serious bodybuilder as you guys are, still I do my best with what I got here.

My current chart is as follows.

DAY 01 [Chest and Back]      
1   Full Squat   20
2   Decline Press   15,10,8,8
3   Flat bench Press   15,10,8,8
4   Inclined Press   15,10,8,8
5   Inclined Flyies   15,12,10
6   DB Pull Over   12,8
7   Barbell rowing   15,15,15,15
8   T bar rowing   15,15,15
9   Wide Grip Pull Down   15,15,15
10   Good Morning   10,10
      
Day 02 [Arms]      
1   Full Squat   20
2   Close grip bench press   15,10,8,8
3   Ez bar french press   10,8,8
4   Seated O/H D Extention   10,10,10
5   Cable Pressdown   15,15
6   Ez bar preacher curl   12,10,8,6
7   3-Grip barbell curl   12,12,12
8   Seated Dual Hammer Curl   10,8,8
9   DB concentration curl   12,10

Day 03 [Shoulders and Legs]      
1   Full Squat   20
2   Barbell Back press   12,10,8,6
3   DB lateral raise   12,10,8
4   Inclined DB lateral raise   10,8,8
5   Upright row   8,8
6   Barbell Shrugs   12,12,12
7   Leg Press   12,12,12,2
8   Leg extension   12,12,12
9   Leg Curl   12,12,12
10   Calf   15,15,15
      
Day 04 [Arms]      
1   Full Squat   20
2   Close grip Ez bar bench press   15,10,8,8
3   Ez bar french press   10,8,8
4   Seated O/H D Extension   10,10,10
5   Cable Press down   15,15
6   Ez bar preacher curl   12,10,8,6
7   3-Grip barbell curl   12,12,12
8   Seated Alternate DB Curl   10,8,8
9   Seated Dual Hammer Curl   12,10
      
Day 05 [-REST-]      


any idea what i should do...
I am totally new here, so pls forgive me if i posted this in the wrong section...

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Re: Stuck at the same point.. Pls look in to this.
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 10:45:49 PM »
and.. Before this workout schedule, I had only one day for arms.. It was a three day workout then..

sorry I forgot that..

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 02:51:03 AM »
So you start every workout with 20 squats?

Anyway...i'm a big fan of Push/Legs/pull. I used this when i was first starting out, and i've gone back to using it now.

When i first started training i did as follows:

PUSH:
incline bench
flat bench

DB shoulder press
upright row

dips
skull crushers

LEGS:
squats
leg press

lying leg curl
SLDL

calf raises

PULL:
Deads
row of some kind (bb, db, t-bar etc)
pull downs (or ups)

DB curls
hammer curls



I did 2-3 sets each exercise, generally keeping reps around 8-12 (higher for quads).

Simple workout plan, but was (and still is) pretty effective for me...


obviously, you can use different exercises, but the ones i listed are good, imo. You just gotta work out what works for you...
No doubt about it...

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Re: Stuck at the same point.. Pls look in to this.
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 05:22:34 PM »
So you start every workout with 20 squats?

Anyway...i'm a big fan of Push/Legs/pull. I used this when i was first starting out, and i've gone back to using it now.

When i first started training i did as follows:

I just Start with the squat because I feel great and heated up after the squat. Using it as a worm up(well Sort of).

Can anybody suggest what changes I should do for more arms development...?

Its very frustating to have every other bodypart growing without the arms.... :(

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Re: Stuck at the same point.. Pls look in to this.
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 05:51:06 PM »
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY YYY too much arm work IMO.

Cut back on the direct work to the bis and tris.

Try this.....

Mon.-------legs
Tue--------shoulders
wed------off
Thurs-------back/biceps
Fri-----------chest/triceps
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 06:15:30 PM »
Cut your bi and tri sets down to 3 sets and 3 exercises for each.  You should be going as heavy as possible on these in the 6-8 rep range.  Arms, for a lot of people, respond best to lower volume and heavier weight.  They're small muscles so they don't need a lot of stimulation to get them to grow.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 07:35:36 PM »
Dude, as previously mentioned that's a shitload for arms. Keep the sets in 9-12 range and they should start growing. The split chaos laid out looks good.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 10:50:13 PM »
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY too much arm work IMO.

Cut back on the direct work to the bis and tris.

Try this.....

Mon.-------legs
Tue--------shoulders
wed------off
Thurs-------back/biceps
Fri-----------chest/triceps

thanks chaos..Will try this..

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 10:53:16 PM »
Cut your bi and tri sets down to 3 sets and 3 exercises for each.  You should be going as heavy as possible on these in the 6-8 rep range.  Arms, for a lot of people, respond best to lower volume and heavier weight.  They're small muscles so they don't need a lot of stimulation to get them to grow.

thanks emmortal, got the idea...

Should i stick to basics like barbell curls and preacher curls...

and is using multi grip any good for curls?

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 06:11:20 AM »
In my opinion the previous posts have addressed the problem.  Way to much arm work sums it up.  I'm from the US and I have a house in Ragama, Sri Lanka.  I have two boys who are half Sri Lanken and speak fluent Sinhalese.  Anyway, I spend time there every year and have made it a point to visit many of the local gyms. I'm glad to see that bodybuilding is becoming increasingly more popular. 

I think one of the biggest problems with lifters who are just starting out is that they have the bodybuilding fever and that causes them to try and do to much to soon.  Overtraining is probably the biggest waist of time and energy for a beginner and will effectively hinder many of the results you would normally achieve.  This site is a great place to find information from experienced lifters that I'm sure will help you with your goals.  Not only new posts but old ones that you may have to research to find. You may have to sift through a lot of BS and go through a few clowns but nonetheless good info is here.

Good luck to you.  Maybe I'll see you at the gym on my next trip.  I've attached a picture of my son Nishaun trying to show me up with his bicep pose.

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 06:02:02 PM »
In my opinion the previous posts have addressed the problem.  Way to much arm work sums it up.  I'm from the US and I have a house in Ragama, Sri Lanka.  I have two boys who are half Sri Lanken and speak fluent Sinhalese.  Anyway, I spend time there every year and have made it a point to visit many of the local gyms. I'm glad to see that bodybuilding is becoming increasingly more popular. 

I think one of the biggest problems with lifters who are just starting out is that they have the bodybuilding fever and that causes them to try and do to much to soon.  Overtraining is probably the biggest waist of time and energy for a beginner and will effectively hinder many of the results you would normally achieve.  This site is a great place to find information from experienced lifters that I'm sure will help you with your goals.  Not only new posts but old ones that you may have to research to find. You may have to sift through a lot of BS and go through a few clowns but nonetheless good info is here.

Good luck to you.  Maybe I'll see you at the gym on my next trip.  I've attached a picture of my son Nishaun trying to show me up with his bicep pose.



Pat
yea..agree dude.. currently in a rapid learning process..good info here.. Gonna kill one or two gym instructors for ruining two years of my life.. ;D

And hell you got huge guns!!

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2008, 04:11:11 AM »
yea..agree dude.. currently in a rapid learning process..good info here.. Gonna kill one or two gym instructors for ruining two years of my life.. ;D

And hell you got huge guns!!

Yeah, don't feel to bad. The road is long and all you have to do is stay on it.  Consistency is the key. Don't try and get it all to fast.  I'll have to look you up the next time I go back to Sri Lanka.  I'll probably be there next summer with my sons.  They spend the summers there with their Grandparents and all their cousins.  They always have a great time.  I'll be in touch.  Take care and keep training.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 05:35:40 PM »
Yeah, don't feel to bad. The road is long and all you have to do is stay on it.  Consistency is the key. Don't try and get it all to fast.  I'll have to look you up the next time I go back to Sri Lanka.  I'll probably be there next summer with my sons.  They spend the summers there with their Grandparents and all their cousins.  They always have a great time.  I'll be in touch.  Take care and keep training.

Pat

thanks pat, I'll sure meet you when you come here...

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 05:44:06 PM »
and guys, I am going to try max-ot training. any one has a thought against it. Just trying this because its plain and all laid out.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2008, 12:02:03 AM »
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY too much arm work IMO.

Cut back on the direct work to the bis and tris.


I agree...typical newbie mistake - thinking doing more exercises will give you more gains.

Batista, remember - you grow when you eat and rest, not when you lift weights.

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2008, 12:44:27 AM »
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY too much arm work IMO.

Cut back on the direct work to the bis and tris.


This is good advice. When you are no longer making progress in key areas, you should consider that there is simply too much volume on that area. Too much overlap. In other words, the solution is usually not to ADD more work, but to reduce it. Sounds strange at first, but if you do this you will usually see the key areas grow again.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008, 06:11:19 PM »

thank you Soundness and D-bol

Going to do as advised from here on..




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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008, 06:29:04 PM »
How long you been training?

Arms looks to be your weakest bodypart and in order for it to grow YOU need to grow a lot as a whole, going up in bodyweight.


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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2008, 11:48:57 PM »
How long you been training?

Arms looks to be your weakest bodypart and in order for it to grow YOU need to grow a lot as a whole, going up in bodyweight.




Well, I've been lifting for  a year, I'm around 90Kg. 6' tall. my arms are 16'' :(

Would you approve If i switched to MAX-OT...

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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2008, 02:44:41 AM »
a year isnt much. yeah max-ot is fine
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2008, 05:33:14 PM »
a year isnt much. yeah max-ot is fine

thanks Bluto.(and nice avatar change too). I've been on and off lifting for years. Now a little more serious about it.

and I Did my arms yesterday. Max ot style. Heaviest set's I've ever done. But I didn't get as much pump as i used to and I dont feel the usual dumbness(fucked up feeling) in my arms today. is this normal. or is something wrong?