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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2010, 03:45:39 PM »
   i didnt know...thats why i asked...what execuse did i make...i said your "sack of bricks" comparison was a bit strong and then asked about the poll you were referencing...woah..um ok....

I wasn't necessarily responding to you alone, when I made that blurb about excuse-making.

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2010, 07:08:59 AM »
Great job numbers this week.Way to go Obama.Lets see,when did we really start losing jobs?Oh yes,it was in Nov. when Obama won the election.Companies knew what was coming and started to slash employees.In fact,it was actually in Oct.when everyone knew he was going to win.

Lets see,Bush had 54 consecutive weeks of rising job numbers and unemployment at about 4.7%,the democrats took control of the house and senate AND THATS WHEN everything fell apart.Coincidence?I think not.When did the economy really tank,the moment it became obvious that old blue mouth was going to win.Coicidence?I think not.

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2010, 07:15:57 AM »
Great job numbers this week.Way to go Obama.Lets see,when did we really start losing jobs?Oh yes,it was in Nov. when Obama won the election.Companies knew what was coming and started to slash employees.In fact,it was actually in Oct.when everyone knew he was going to win.

Lets see,Bush had 54 consecutive weeks of rising job numbers and unemployment at about 4.7%,the democrats took control of the house and senate AND THATS WHEN everything fell apart.Coincidence?I think not.When did the economy really tank,the moment it became obvious that old blue mouth was going to win.Coicidence?I think not.

Let's see Obama continue to talk that mess that the stimulus is actually working.

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2010, 08:36:00 AM »
Obama is right.  It is working just as planned. 

Bankrupt the private sector and save the government jobs that should be lost anyway. 

Obama is a comnplete disgusting communist POFS. 

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2010, 02:11:33 PM »
BUMP 

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2011, 10:19:42 AM »
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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2011, 07:38:28 PM »
Tell your lazy ass kid to GET A JOB, and he'll be okay Coach.  He's going to need money to make up for the debt BUSH created with a war paid for "off the books" and irresponsible tax cuts for the wealthy that your little crumb-snatcher will have to deal with too.

Your son would have to deal with a lot more if Obama's great stimulus bill were not there and we now have 25% unemployment.

Fail. 

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2011, 04:52:33 PM »
Average Job Seeker Gives Up After 5 Months
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 8, 2011 | June 8, 2011






Job seekers look for work.

Jobless Americans who dropped out of the work force typically searched for work for five months before ultimately giving up last year.

The amount of time the unemployed spent hunting for jobs rose sharply last year. Those out of work tended to search for about 20 weeks before quitting in 2010, compared to 8.5 weeks in 2007, according to a recent Labor Department report. The report studied how long unemployed workers took to either find a new job or quit looking.

Labor-force participation, the share of Americans who are working or looking for jobs, has fallen to its lowest percentage since the mid-1980s. That’s partly because people have grown discouraged about their ability to find jobs and have given up looking. With those workers on the sidelines, the unemployment rate has been lower than it otherwise would be.

The official unemployment rate hit 9.1% in May. Including all of those who had part-time jobs but wanted to work full-time as well as those who want to work but had given up searching, the rate was 15.8%.

While sidelined workers can keep the jobless rate lower, they weigh on the economy in other ways. The nation loses their output — from the goods or services they would provide in their jobs as well as the spending that would come from their paychecks. And, if they move onto programs such as Social Security disability, the government could end up supporting them for the rest of their lives.

Those lucky enough to finally land a job last year found they had to spend more time searching. Job seekers took a median of more than 10 weeks to find new positions last year. That’s up from five weeks in 2007 before the recession began.


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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2011, 05:48:40 PM »
The Stimulus Was…Too Small? Seriously?
John Podhoretz 06.08.2011 - 10:37 AM
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/06/08/the-stimulus-was-too-small-seriously




By now it is clear to everyone that the Obama administration bungled the 2009 stimulus package. The dispute now is over the reasons for its failure. The conventional wisdom is coalescing around a view crystallized in a column by Mr. Conventional Wisdom himself, Charlie Cook of the National Journal: “The administration’s initial response, the much-maligned economic-stimulus package, was far too modest and unfocused.”

Cook is a rational analyst, so it is striking that he is able to advance an argument that is, on its face, nothing short of demented. The idea that the 2009 stimulus, which cost $840 billion, could have been less “modest” and more “focused” does violence to the facts of very recent American history and to the arugments made for the stimulus by its advocates at the time.

Even at its “far too modest” size, the stimulus was, by leagues, the costliest such effort in American history. Its astounding price tag was justified during the debate over its passage by the fact that there was a genuine economic emergency that had to be addressed. And the mere fact of addressing it with enormous public resources was, we were told, enough to do the trick almost on its own. The central point of taking emergency measures, we were told, was precisely not to focus them but to cause them to wash over the economy as a whole.

How many times during that emergency were we reminded of the supposed wisdom of John Maynard Keynes, who wrote in 1930 that it was enough to employ a man to perform any task at hand to create the conditions for macroeconomic growth? Simply “to dig holes in the ground,” Keynes wrote, “paid for out of savings, will increase, not only employment, but the real national dividend of useful goods and services.” This is the famous “multiplier effect” we also heard so much about, according to which $1 in government spending would blossom into $3 of value for the entire economy. In effect, we were told by the most enthusiastic believers in the magic of the multiplier effect, that for $840 billion in spending, we’d get more than $2 trillion in economic activity.

It’s also important to remember that the stimulus wasn’t the first bite at the apple. It followed the $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program, itself a proposal of unprecedented size and scope, which was brought into being in September 2008. TARP’s managers did they thought was necessary to save the American and world economies from collapse, but the dishonesty in the execution—using the money for purposes other than the removal of the “troubled assets” for which the program was named—had created an unprecedented level of grassroots distrust of Washington’s economic policies, and not only within the GOP. Leftist populists like Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone made the most violent possible cases against the crony capitalism that seemed to be on display with Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson favoring his own former firm, Goldman Sachs, above all others as the crisis progressed.

The point here is that in the reckoning of the public, $700 billion in taxpayer dollars had already been spent to right the economy. The notion that Congress could have passed a stimulus bill twice the size of the one that did—Paul Krugman’s idea—was then and is now preposterous. Obama’s stimulus was as large as it could possibly have been, and the parlous results indicate it was vastly larger than it should have been.

The growing consensus is that Obama’s economic policies have failed, and precisely in the ways that those skeptical of the stimulus predicted. The most expensive government intervention into the economy in this country’s history proved to have negligible macroeconomic impact. (UPDATE: A friend points out that if one adds together all the efforts taken by the administration to stimulate the economy directly, the number is not $840 billion but something like $2.1 trillion.)  This fact should force supporters of the stimulus to acknowledge that the problem was not with the stimulus as it was implemented, but with the very idea of stimulus itself. And they just can’t.

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Re: DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2011, 12:52:39 PM »
bump for comedic value.