DRAMATIC Success of the Stimulus Bill

[BM OUT]

Also,Biden and Obama can get out there and claim its created 2.5 million jobs but the NY TIMES had a poll that said 6% of Americans think the stimulous created jobs.6% in a NEW YOURK TIMES POLL.Id say that they are losing the battle over this lie by a landslide!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Also,Biden and Obama can get out there and claim its created 2.5 million jobs but the NY TIMES had a poll that said 6% of Americans think the stimulous created jobs.6% in a NEW YOURK TIMES POLL.Id say that they are losing the battle over this lie by a landslide!!!!!!!!!!!!

It didnt create a damn thing just like Evan Bayh said.   

[Coach is Back!]

Benny...Benny, whoa Benny..where are ya Benny?

[Soul Crusher]

Benny...Benny, whoa Benny..where are ya Benny?

He ran off to Kos or the Dumpster to find some nonsense. 

[MCWAY]

Also,Biden and Obama can get out there and claim its created 2.5 million jobs but the NY TIMES had a poll that said 6% of Americans think the stimulous created jobs.6% in a NEW YOURK TIMES POLL.Id say that they are losing the battle over this lie by a landslide!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get this. There's a video from RealClearPolitics, which has Biden, talking that mess about how "The Stimulus is working".....in MICHIGAN, where unemployment is 14%.

[Soul Crusher]

Get this. There's a video from RealClearPolitics, which has Biden, talking that mess about how "The Stimulus is working".....in MICHIGAN, where unemployment is 14%.

What else is he going to say at this point? 

Of course there is going to be some benefit.  Spending 800 billion has to get you something.

However, most of this money is plugging up local budgets that simply are not sustainable themselves.

Spending by Govt on all levels is simply out of control and therer are not enough taxpayers to fund all the promises, committments, and programs these hacks implement.     

   

[kcballer]

The government has responsibility for sure but it's the American people who gorged on cheap money and figured things would only ever go up that are the true cause.  No govt policy can stop greed and that's what happened.  People got greedy they all wanted mansions and lenders were happy to oblige.  I'm not saying lenders aren't to blame because their practices were shady at times, packaging the loans up as AAA investments was one of the most despicable things done considering they were not even investment grade in a lot of cases.  The fed crashing rates post 9/11 and the whole 'home owner' push didn't help but at the end of the day it was the American people who did this to themselves.  If the stimulus is what was needed to starve off 25-30% UE then so be it.  The legacy of debt is better than a legacy of no jobs and no future.  This isn't the depression America is not longer a producer at that time i believe the economy was 60-70% manufacturing (or something around that) now it's 60-70% consumer and barely 10-15% production.

[BM OUT]

The government has responsibility for sure but it's the American people who gorged on cheap money and figured things would only ever go up that are the true cause.  No govt policy can stop greed and that's what happened.  People got greedy they all wanted mansions and lenders were happy to oblige.  I'm not saying lenders aren't to blame because their practices were shady at times, packaging the loans up as AAA investments was one of the most despicable things done considering they were not even investment grade in a lot of cases.  The fed crashing rates post 9/11 and the whole 'home owner' push didn't help but at the end of the day it was the American people who did this to themselves.  If the stimulus is what was needed to starve off 25-30% UE then so be it.  The legacy of debt is better than a legacy of no jobs and no future.  This isn't the depression America is not longer a producer at that time i believe the economy was 60-70% manufacturing (or something around that) now it's 60-70% consumer and barely 10-15% production.

The stimulus DID NOT help unemployment one bit.This is a lie.This plan was a slush fund rewading government unions PERIOD.Plugs Biden can go out there and act like a tough guy gritting his teeth and say "its working,its working" over and over again.Its a lie as everything else this administration says.It didnt help create one job and many economists say if it hadnt been passed the economy would have been better off.

[kcballer]

Billy stop with the lies here.  You should really not believe everything Fox news tells you.

Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html

Oh wait that exert must be from a lib paper   and that congressional budget office well they are just full of liberals wanting Obama to do well so they're lying as well right?  

[Option D]

<<<after picking myself off the floor from hysterical laughter>>>

Ummm.....this stimulus was supposed to keep unemployment under 8%. It's over 10%.

Obama's approval ratings are plunging like a lead balloon, filled with bricks.

Democrats are quitting left and right, to avoid a Rodney-King-style beatdown in November.

The net is job LOSSES, Benny. Citing the creation of 2 million jobs, when you've LOST OVER 4 MILLION, means the stimulus AIN'T WORKING, point blank.

Even soon-to-be-former Senator Evan Bayh has mentioned the stimulus ineffectiveness.


I forgot exactly when unemployment went over 10% under President Bush.

where do you get this shit....he is at 52% according to gallup...hyperbole anyone?

[MCWAY]

where do you get this shit....he is at 52% according to gallup...hyperbole anyone?

According to RealClearPolitics, he's averaging just under 48%.

A year ago, his approval rating was in the mid-to-high 60s. Hyperbole? I don't think so.

[240 is Back]

so 12% in a year = "plunging like a balloon full of bricks"?

He got his most lib shit out of the way and only los 12 points... that's a damn victory.

Plus, hw long as "real clear" been doing their polls?  Gallup has been doing it for 30+ years, and the data from carter, reagan, bush1, and others is far more relevant than a new mathematical conglomerate of numbers using a formula they like.  Being able to COMPARE is very useful - since clinton and i thik reagan were this low at this point after one year as well

[grab an umbrella]

240, What all lib stuff did he get out of the way?  Healthcare failed, cap and trade didn't get passed, amnesty didn't get passed.  The only thing he has is sotomayor and the stim bill. 

[240 is Back]

he didn't pass it all... but he sure shocked us all with it.

he made his mov, got 2 for 6, or whatever.

This year?  it's all popular central moves.  "let's go after the banks" and "more nuke energy!" and "more lollipops at the circus!"

[grab an umbrella]

Do you think he will pursue cap and trade or amnesty this year?

[Soul Crusher]

so 12% in a year = "plunging like a balloon full of bricks"?

He got his most lib shit out of the way and only los 12 points... that's a damn victory.

Plus, hw long as "real clear" been doing their polls?  Gallup has been doing it for 30+ years, and the data from carter, reagan, bush1, and others is far more relevant than a new mathematical conglomerate of numbers using a formula they like.  Being able to COMPARE is very useful - since clinton and i thik reagan were this low at this point after one year as well

Are you drinking?

CRAP & TAX = FAIL

HEALTH CARE = FAIL

CARD CHECK = FAIL

KSM TRIAL IN NY = FAIL   

[Option D]

According to RealClearPolitics, he's averaging just under 48%.

A year ago, his approval rating was in the mid-to-high 60s. Hyperbole? I don't think so.

so who has more credibility. Them or gallup?. who is more Objective

[Soul Crusher]

so who has more credibility. Them or gallup?. who is more Objective

Who gives a shit about the polls?  The fact is that his agenda sucks.  Its a NWO dream like KRS 1 said and he is a complete phoney.

The idiots who bought into the slick marketing scheme should be ashemed of themselves for falling for this garbage no different than a drunk chick at a bar for a slick talking sleaze back. 

Mal you expecially, you should be praising God that the GOP stopped DeathCare.     

[BM OUT]

Billy stop with the lies here.  You should really not believe everything Fox news tells you.

Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html

Oh wait that exert must be from a lib paper   and that congressional budget office well they are just full of liberals wanting Obama to do well so they're lying as well right?  

So your saying spending one trillion dollars for 1.6 million jobs or 1.8 million jobs or 2.5 million jobs was a great idea.You also said without it UE would have been at 25%.Based on what.1.6-2 million jobs would not move the rate that much.This scheme "saved" union jobs in the government secor.When the money dries up so will all those jobs.Its a TOTAL waste of a trillion dollars.

[Soul Crusher]

I am going to love the fact that the ERA of ZERO is going to lead to 20-30 years of no democrats ever again. 

The failed stim bill alone shows that left wing economics never works. 

[MCWAY]

so who has more credibility. Them or gallup?. who is more Objective

RealClearPolitics includes a variety of polls, INCLUDING GALLUP!!

Or, did you guys forget that little part?

Making these kinds of excuses for Obama's plunging poll numbers is just comical.

[Option D]

RealClearPolitics includes a variety of polls, INCLUDING GALLUP!!

Or, did you guys forget that little part?

Making these kinds of excuses for Obama's plunging poll numbers is just comical.

  i didnt know...thats why i asked...what execuse did i make...i said your "sack of bricks" comparison was a bit strong and then asked about the poll you were referencing...woah..um ok....

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One year in, the evidence is clear – and growing by the day – that the Recovery Act is working to cushion the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression and lay a new foundation for economic growth.

    * According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Recovery Act is already responsible for as many as 2.4 million jobs through the end of 2009
    * As a result, job losses are a fraction of what they were a year ago, before the Recovery Act began

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act:

    * Cut taxes for 95 percent of working families through the Making Work Pay tax credit
 
  * Cut taxes for small businesses
 
  * Provided loans to over 42,000 small businesses
   
* Funded over 12,500 transportation construction projects nationwide, ranging from highway construction to airport improvement projects
   
 * Made multi-billion dollar investments in innovation, science and technology that are laying the foundation for our 21st century economy
   
 * Provided critical relief for state governments facing record budget shortfalls, including help to prevent cuts to Medicaid and creating or saving over 300,000 education jobs

Economists on the left and the right have stated that the Recovery Act has helped avert an even worse economic disaster.

You are kidding right? When Obama has to send this to his SUPPORTERS, it ain't good in da ol whitehouse... 3 more years and we are finished with this socialist nut

[MCWAY]

You are kidding right? When Obama has to send this to his SUPPORTERS, it ain't good in da ol whitehouse... 3 more years and we are finished with this socialist nut

More like, if things go well, 11 more months. IF the GOP re-take the House and Senate, Obama will be basically hamstrung in his efforts.

[Option D]

More like, if things go well, 11 more months. IF the GOP re-take the House and Senate, Obama will be basically hamstrung in his efforts.

   i didnt know...thats why i asked...what execuse did i make...i said your "sack of bricks" comparison was a bit strong and then asked about the poll you were referencing...woah..um ok....