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Low reps and age...(30+)
« on: July 06, 2009, 08:49:25 AM »
Just curious but are low reps extra rough on older joints because they lose their elasticty?
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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »
Why would doing lower reps be harder on joints? If you mean very heavy weights, that's very true for some guys. But I just turned 49 and am stronger now than at 39  or 29. So I train heavier. The thing is, you have to warm up a lot more, and not use momentum. Any ballistic training can mess up your joints, especially as you age and get less flexible. What's harder for me is higher reps. Strength is up, but cardiovascular endurance goes down.

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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 09:24:42 AM »
Why would doing lower reps be harder on joints? If you mean very heavy weights, that's very true for some guys. But I just turned 49 and am stronger now than at 39  or 29. So I train heavier. The thing is, you have to warm up a lot more, and not use momentum. Any ballistic training can mess up your joints, especially as you age and get less flexible. What's harder for me is higher reps. Strength is up, but cardiovascular endurance goes down.

That's pretty inspiring to me. Will keep this in mind.
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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 09:39:39 AM »
Even without momentum, heavier weights can create problems. It's just a reality of putting more pressure on the body, and the stresses become more problematic and pronounced with age, for most.

So ya low reps mean heavier weight and potentially more problems. But i still use them sometimes-if you keep the lowest reps around 4-6 in the middle of a workout while being fully warmed up it's a good way to get past sticking points. By that i mean that sometimes it's tough to progress beyond a certain rep range using a certain weight and changing up the reps/weight can definitely help blast through to improvement. Plus it feels a little different on the muscles, which is good.

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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 01:27:53 PM »
Rep range has little to do with most of the injuries I have seen. As long as you stretch and warm up properly then rep range and heavy lifting isn't what gets your hurt. Sloppy form, ego lifting (lifting way more than you should to show off) and not listening to your body when you are tired and not rested or fueled (proper nutritional intake before workouts) for heavy lifting is the main reasons people get injured. It takes time to build strength and muscle so approach your lifts methodically and you will achieve your goals given your nutritional intake and rest are what they should be.

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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 02:48:41 PM »
At the upper age levels, keep your lower reps limited to exercises that utilize the stronger joints.


Not the knees, not the low back, and defintely not the shoulder joints.


If you have been training steadily for years, and making every attempt to  track your progress, there shouldn't be any reason that you can't use lower reps as you are pyramiding sets (in weight)--your body will have become accustomed to this and you will probably learned impeccable form.


To all of the sudden, out of nowhere, decide that you will switch to low reps with heavier weight-- after having trained more exclusively in a higher rep range with moderately heavy weights, you are just asking for problems.


Talk to bodybuilders who have been doing this for a long time. See what they have to say about lower reps (heavier weights?) and joint pain.


Most of them, if they could do it all over again, would now choose (from their past experiences) higher reps with moderately heavy weight. The pain of a damaged joint doesn't usually subside with time. It usually becomes worse with age, and limits range and mobility... oh yeah, and comfort.


I would rather live a long comfortable life without the joint pain. After a lifetime of abuse, our bodies manifest their past usage-- usually in the form of pain.


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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM »
Rep range has little to do with most of the injuries I have seen. As long as you stretch and warm up properly then rep range and heavy lifting isn't what gets your hurt. Sloppy form, ego lifting (lifting way more than you should to show off) and not listening to your body when you are tired and not rested or fueled (proper nutritional intake before workouts) for heavy lifting is the main reasons people get injured. It takes time to build strength and muscle so approach your lifts methodically and you will achieve your goals given your nutritional intake and rest are what they should be.
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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 03:13:43 PM »
Rep range has little to do with most of the injuries I have seen. As long as you stretch and warm up properly then rep range and heavy lifting isn't what gets your hurt. Sloppy form, ego lifting (lifting way more than you should to show off) and not listening to your body when you are tired and not rested or fueled (proper nutritional intake before workouts) for heavy lifting is the main reasons people get injured. It takes time to build strength and muscle so approach your lifts methodically and you will achieve your goals given your nutritional intake and rest are what they should be.

A popular theory that's often repeated, with no particular basis behind it. Even you  couched it by mentioning "main reason". Bottom line if you lift heavy using low reps the body's under tremendous stress that it sometimes can't handle, even with all possible preventative measures.

Time and building up slowly is part of it but again if the lifts are all low reps/high weight all the buildup and warmups in the world can't prevent some of thos stresses from hurting the body.

The best way to avoid problems is by avoiding low reps/high weight in the first place. Top BBs know this especially wth age, and don't use it except for videos, etc. It's not part of the regular training.

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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 12:11:45 AM »
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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 12:15:21 PM »
Train smarter.. More warm-ups. Better form... 

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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 07:16:18 PM »
Rep range has little to do with most of the injuries I have seen. As long as you stretch and warm up properly then rep range and heavy lifting isn't what gets your hurt. Sloppy form, ego lifting (lifting way more than you should to show off) and not listening to your body when you are tired and not rested or fueled (proper nutritional intake before workouts) for heavy lifting is the main reasons people get injured. It takes time to build strength and muscle so approach your lifts methodically and you will achieve your goals given your nutritional intake and rest are what they should be.
Good post.
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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 11:14:11 AM »
I think John Romano say's you should switch from iron to Yoga. You can become a Yogi like him.



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Re: Low reps and age...(30+)
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2009, 12:55:34 PM »
Why would doing lower reps be harder on joints? If you mean very heavy weights, that's very true for some guys. But I just turned 49 and am stronger now than at 39  or 29. So I train heavier. The thing is, you have to warm up a lot more, and not use momentum. Any ballistic training can mess up your joints, especially as you age and get less flexible. What's harder for me is higher reps. Strength is up, but cardiovascular endurance goes down.



same experience here..I am 46...stronger than I have ever been....bigger as well....but endurance sucks  big time..train heavier as well....higher reps are hard for me as well......can't go to twenty reps with lighter weights because I get tired before the weight gets heavier...small injuries I would shake off when I was younger linger a long time now..like in the elbow, shoulder and lower back

but I am far and away stronger than I was when I was younger and more conditioned