Taking Tribulus Terrestris is not natural(Included as prohormone)?

[Mr.1derful]

Would prolonged us of Tribulus cause you to go more bald, if you are already doing so (genetically)?

I have to be honest in finding the entire topic of tribulus somewhat amusing.  Tribulus was the next big thing over 10 years ago, and in terms of bodybuilding applications, was a total flop.  The main reason some were so quick to conclude it to have a positive impact on testosterone, was due to its propensity to increase libido and erections in some users.   By whatever mechanism this occurs, I would suggest it is independent of any impact on hormone production.  

The concentrations of various tribulus products may vary widely, but Tribulus is still a dud, for the most part.  Even if one of the products on the market were to impact testosterone positively, it would be highly unlikely to be substantive enough to have a notable impact on body composition.  

[Method101]

kyomu here is 100% natural with good condition

[kyomu]

kyomu here is 100% natural with good condition

Hopefuly, He is natural.
Cus i cant beat those juicers if i am not in this kind of condition in next spring.

Why you try to impress yourself? Thats why I hate young kids.

I built this thread for reaching this condition without using banned substance.Its obvious.
And i didnt say or bragging about my current physique or my contest condition of last time.
and this is my plan which i post page3,And you didnt read it hah?

Yeah This time I will do it and I am extremely confident(No matter how Paco says that its impossible to get hard like Drug users...).

In this pic, I am 87.5kg.

In January, I will squeeze my body until 72kg!!!!!!(Paco says no need to... Anyway, i will be dry and i dont care about my size on this stage).

Then I will recuperate gradualy until 15 of March until 77kg around(Same weight as last year).


Lets see it!

So you are posting something inutil. If you try to impress yourself with your knowledge or somthing,please dont come here and talk to me again.

[Meso_z]

kyomu here is 100% natural with good condition

sure he is.

[kyomu]

sure he is.

Telling the truth. I believe it too. Thats why i try.
The interesting thing is, why many people think Jeff is juiced and he is not?
Same kind of condition there.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Muscles for nothing, trophies for free.

[kyomu]

Muscles for nothing, trophies for free.

Cant sing.

[INSOMNIA]

Mostly, Chicken breast, Tuna(Flesh),Potatos.Onion.
I dont eat egg white.
Occasionaly add rice.
Still I eat cheat meal twice a week.
I will stop it from next week.

switch to tilapia (or any white fish) instead of chicken, it is more easily digested, (and zero carbs). my body responds to that very quickly...i look much softer when eating chicken all the time, i cannot diet for a show on that. ..oh & cut out the rice.

have some complex carbs in the morning, but for the rest of the day eat raw green vegetables & fish.

[kyomu]

switch to tilapia (or any white fish) instead of chicken, it is more easily digested, (and zero carbs). my body responds to that very quickly...i look much softer when eating chicken all the time, i cannot diet for a show on that. ..oh & cut out the rice.

have some complex carbs in the morning, but for the rest of the day eat raw green vegetables & fish.

Thanx.

Yes.I will do it about 2 month later. The first show is around 15th of March.
I just eat rice occasionaly now when i see flat.
But, from next month, no.

Not eating carbs from afternoon makes me deplated a lot. I had tryed that before and the result was really bad.
So I will spread it to all day

[Meso_z]

switch to tilapia (or any white fish) instead of chicken, it is more easily digested, (and zero carbs). my body responds to that very quickly...i look much softer when eating chicken all the time, i cannot diet for a show on that. ..oh & cut out the rice.

have some complex carbs in the morning, but for the rest of the day eat raw green vegetables & fish.

I cant function with just some morning carbs, i used to spread them Throughout the day, when i dieted for a contest.

[INSOMNIA]

I cant function with just some morning carbs, i used to spread them Throughout the day, when i dieted for a contest.

I cant function much either, but it got me in the best shape of my life for contest! I was miserable for a time, I had to write down every thought or it would escape me within seconds. My memory was shot.

If you want to acheive hardness naturally, you really gotta train hard & suffer, using diet to your best advantage.

[INSOMNIA]

Thanx.

Yes.I will do it about 2 month later. The first show is around 15th of March.
I just eat rice occasionaly now when i see flat.
But, from next month, no.

Not eating carbs from afternoon makes me deplated a lot. I had tryed that before and the result was really bad.
So I will spread it to all day

Im sorry.. when I asked about your diet I meant specifically your contest prep.. not what your doing now. Shouldve been more clear.

Either way, the fish is much better than chicken, IMO. Just by changing that, the difference I see within a week is quite dramatic.

[kyomu]

Im sorry.. when I asked about your diet I meant specifically your contest prep.. not what your doing now. Shouldve been more clear.

Either way, the fish is much better than chicken, IMO. Just by changing that, the difference I see within a week is quite dramatic.

Yeah, highly agreed. Here in spain, more than tilapia, we use merluza. Same kind of fish.

[fearANDloathing]

I disagree that it is worthless.  I tried it and felt noticeably more intensity through my workouts while taking it, as well as more prickish in general. 

When I tried creatine and andro back in the 90's, I felt nothing.  I thought both were bunk.   

Agreed on BOTH points. I felt nothing  from creatine but have always gotten a nice boost from Trib.
I've tried dozens of supps over the years so it's no placebo effect. I can immediately tell what works for me and what doesn't.
Thumbs up(and other things) for Tribulus 

[3Dkiller]

TT dont work,  http://www.ergogenics.org/tribulus3.html   read it

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Tribulus is garbage and a waste of time, IMO. Never done it, but know guys who have. Either do the real stuff or nothing at all--and in the latter case, hope you've got the "mountain man" genetics.

[INSOMNIA]

"mountain man" genetics.

 

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Actually I was thinking more along these lines

[MCWAY]

More evidence that TT won't work, and to make interpretation less complicated, some graphs based on 7 groups of rats who got 11, 42 and 110 mg/kg(2.2 lbs) TT, 5 mg/kg DHEA, 0.25 mg/kg of Testosterone Propionate, 0,1 mg/kg ethinylestradiol or were a controll group for 28 days (source is in Dutch, sorry).




Conclusion of researchers:
Tongkat Ali could be interesting.

As if you need a scientific study to tell you that Tribulus won’t do you that much good, if you have your NUTS cut off (notwithstanding the fact that this was done on RATS).

AIM OF THE STUDY: Investigate the possible effects of Tribulus terrestris (TT) on endocrine sensitive organs in intact and castrated male rats as well as in a post-menopausal rat model using ovariectomized females....

Plus, there's the matter of dosage. The last study I saw, claiming that Trib didn't work in humans, the "large" amount of Trib being used by the adult males (with their nads intact) was 1.5mg/lb of bodyweight.

In essence, that's 300 mg of Trib for a 200-lb guy. That's nowhere near enough to do anything. Most of the people who use Trib and report decent results ingest a BARE MINIMUM of 1000 mg per day (when I've used it, it usually 1500). A couple of guys here have used as much as 3000 mg.

[lvtolft]

If you want to acheive hardness naturally, you really gotta train hard & suffer, using diet to your best advantage.

For a natural, this is a motto you should live by.  Any OTC supplements won't make up the difference of plain old hard work.

[MCWAY]

If you're looking for an inexpensive form of Trib, Ultimate Nutriton makes a good product.

Also, look into Python by Vitamin Shoppe, which also contains Avena Sativa and Urtica Diocia (sp?).