Taking Tribulus Terrestris is not natural(Included as prohormone)?

[kyomu]

Today, I took my pic and as you see I grew quite big without any supps.
From November, I am thinking about starting preparation for spring.
Paco insist that I must take at least Tribulus Terrestris and GH releasers.
If I take these,still I am considered as natural?
I think so. But in case, I ask you guys.

[johnnynoname]

i know this is besides the point Taka but i think you should grow out your hair to look like Hiroshi Tanahashi

[KevinP85]

Quit being lazy and train your calves

[kyomu]

I've taken that shit before, you take it before bed, it's not bad, helps intensify workouts, makes you a half a #### too though  

Check with any competition organizations as to whether or not it's allowed.  

If you mean in general, well it is sold over/counter, so....

The reason why i ask you is that i am planning to go to labs to do a test after those contests if i do really good.
Its very good to have some certificates showing that I am natural after beating some juicers.

[kyomu]

Quit being lazy and train your calves

You are right. I am not worrying about my mass. But We(Paco and I) are worrying about the hardness.
But, I must keep on having the natural status.

[kyomu]

I would check with the lab then.  

Thats true. I must do it.
Do you think The Tribulus is included as a pro-hormone?

[JimmyJam1974]

I've taken that shit before, you take it before bed, it's not bad, helps intensify workouts, makes you a half a c.u.n.t too though  

ELABORATE - MEAN IT MAKES U RAGE A BIT?

[Van_Bilderass]

Thats true. I must do it.
Do you think The Tribulus is included as a pro-hormone?

Tribulus is worthless. Does nothing as far as increasing testosterone.

There is no such thing as natural bodybuilding. And taking tribulus is much more "unnatural" than taking testosterone. Is tribulus something found naturally in the body? Is testosterone?

[regmac]

Today, I took my pic and as you see I grew quite big without any supps.
From November, I am thinking about starting preparation for spring.
Paco insist that I must take at least Tribulus Terrestris and GH releasers.
If I take these,still I am considered as natural?
I think so. But in case, I ask you guys.

Gives me the ultimate boner

[kyomu]

Tribulus is worthless. Does nothing as far as increasing testosterone.

There is no such thing as natural bodybuilding. And taking tribulus is much more "unnatural" than taking testosterone. Is tribulus something found naturally in the body? Is testosterone?

Ok, For now I am natural except taking the chemical in those chicken breast.
No supps.
Just I am interested in the doping test.

[Van_Bilderass]

I disagree that it is worthless.  I tried it and felt noticeably more intensity through my workouts while taking it, as well as more prickish in general.  

When I tried creatine and andro back in the 90's, I felt nothing.  I thought both were bunk.    

Well, if it makes you more aggressive it's not because of increased testosterone. If it helps psychologically, and it's possible it does affect mood through various mechanisms, by all means take it.

Have you used creatine since the 90s? I remember the first time I used it, very expensive Twinlab Creatine Fuel, I noticed nothing. Nowadays I do notice it every time.

[Van_Bilderass]

Ok, For now I am natural except taking the chemical in those chicken breast.
No supps.
Just I am interested in the doping test.

Tribulus will not make you fail a doping test. It is not on any banned list either. But there are several legal and not banned supps that can help a little that I would use instead if I wanted to adhere to "drug free" rules. Like creatine, PH buffers, single aminos like acetyl-l-carnitine, antioxidants, vitamins like methylcobalamin, glycerol, etc.

[kyomu]

Tribulus will not make you fail a doping test. It is not on any banned list either. But there are several legal and not banned supps that can help a little that I would use instead if I wanted to adhere to "drug free" rules. Like creatine, PH buffers, single aminos like acetyl-l-carnitine, antioxidants, vitamins like methylcobalamin, glycerol, etc.

This is very important for me. Thanx.

[dustin]

GH releasers are absolute bunk as well. Some of the test boosters on the market WILL kick up your libido and may provide a marginal increase in test. It's still close to worthless unless you're shut down to begin with. If you're shut down, the difference is like night and day. Test boosters these days are actually very good compared to the straight trib supplements of yesterday.

Only good for juicers who get shut down though. Sorry!

[kyomu]

GH releasers are absolute bunk as well. Some of the test boosters on the market WILL kick up your libido and may provide a marginal increase in test. It's still close to worthless unless you're shut down to begin with. If you're shut down, the difference is like night and day. Test boosters these days are actually very good compared to the straight trib supplements of yesterday.

Only good for juicers who get shut down though. Sorry!

MMmm Thanx for info.
Do you have any recommendation of those test boosters?
Name, company..etc.

[tbombz]

if you want to be a natural bodybuilder, how come your interested in things to increase results past what you would get on yoru own with food+training only?

sounds like your looking for a drug to induce results that you didnt earn on your own.

whether it is on a banned drug list or not, it still doesnt correlate for a "natural" to use anythign but weights and food.

[dustin]

MMmm Thanx for info.
Do you have any recommendation of those test boosters?
Name, company..etc.

Unless you're feeling shut down I can't recommend any. I don't think you'll see any benefits in term of muscle gains or fat loss.

[kyomu]

if you want to be a natural bodybuilder, how come your interested in things to increase results past what you would get on yoru own with food+training only?

sounds like your looking for a drug to induce results that you didnt earn on your own.

whether it is on a banned drug list or not, it still doesnt correlate for a "natural" to use anythign but weights and food.

Thanx. Its your opinion.
If everything goes good, I am thinking about marcketing myself to the fitness industry.
Thats why i need to win a juicers show with the natural status(General).

[kyomu]

Unless you're feeling shut down I can't recommend any. I don't think you'll see any benefits in term of muscle gains or fat loss.

As I said, I am not interested in muscle gain at all.
I am interested in making my muscle looking hard.

[tbombz]

Thanx. Its your opinion.
If everything goes good, I am thinking about marcketing myself to the fitness industry.
Thats why i need to win a juicers show with the natural status(General).

the problem with that is that ANYONE can claim they are natural and that they beat a bunch of juicers. in bodybuilding nobody cares what you took, how you trained,or what you ate to look the way you do...all that matters is how do you look. if you want fitness contract you probably need to get on some steroids to get the "bodybuilder" look.

[Rinc]

Thanx. Its your opinion.
If everything goes good, I am thinking about marcketing myself to the fitness industry.Thats why i need to win a juicers show with the natural status(General).

good luck. BTW your head is looking larger then it usually does.

[CT_Muscle]

Trib is an herb, that increases LH, thereby increasing Test, I have used it and have blood work done before and after proving it works.

[kyomu]

the problem with that is that ANYONE can claim they are natural and that they beat a bunch of juicers. in bodybuilding nobody cares what you took, how you trained,or what you ate to look the way you do...all that matters is how do you look. if you want fitness contract you probably need to get on some steroids to get the "bodybuilder" look.

Sorry, Before, I didnt have this idea. But since I receive many consults from natural trainees in the internet and real world, I begin to think about it. Now a day, Nobody will trust a pro or top ama. I think a good natural bbers are way more respected now a day.
Ok, not like a ifbb pro but It means that I am already look like a bodybuilder.
I know I will improve vastly in this spring since my weight is 87.5kg and look this good.
So when I am in shape, I know I am gonna give a good damege and it will be a new thing.
I will take advantage of this.

[kyomu]

good luck. BTW your head is looking larger then it usually does.

Of course, with this physique, not. But, in next spring, YES.

[kyomu]

Trib is an herb, that increases LH, thereby increasing Test, I have used it and have blood work done before and after proving it works.

What do you mean?