The election of no... NJ taxpayers wake up and defeat school budgets.

[kcballer]

No its not!  Teachers are not paid based on subject area, but according tot he bs union demands and other bogus rules. 

all subjects are as important as each other 333.  Without a balance we would have a one dimensional society.  Funding should go to all subjects and all teachers regardless of subject.  And it's based on years of service heck some people can spend 30+ years and not make 100K in yonkers.  

[Soul Crusher]

So the finger paint teacher should get as much as the math teacher? 

[kcballer]

Its not inflammatory if its the truth. 

Truth taken out of context and put in with inflammatory remarks of only doing "finger painting"  please don't pretend you weren't trying to get an aggressive rise out of people with that statement.  If it was truly neutral you would have said "i have a friend who knows an arts teacher that makes over 100K" You wouldn't add in 'finger painting' unless you wanted people to get mad at such an outrage.  If you truly wanted full disclosure of the truth you also would have said it takes 15+ years or service to reach that figure.

[kcballer]

So the finger paint teacher should get as much as the math teacher? 

There you are again.  Inflammatory remarks about an arts teacher.  Why shouldn't they?  Are arts not as important as math?  Without arts we would have no visual history, we would have no TV, no film, no theatre, no painting, no sculpture, no architecture, no fashion it would all be uniform block houses and one piece uniforms. 

[Soul Crusher]

My friend who is math teacher told me about this.  I'm not making this up any more than i did the story about Pedro Espada stealing $14 Million from NY taxpayers.  

The teachers' unions, the democrats, the welfare scum, the govt employee unions, and their apologists are killing this country.  

[kcballer]

What KC misses,as do all libs do,in CT the teachers make an average salary of 60,000 a year.HOWEVER thats wotrking a 185 day school year.Now,I defy KC to tell me a person working a 185 day year making 65,000 dollars with the best benefits on earth isnt stupid.Any lawyer making money like that working that little?Doctors?Anyone working that few days for that kind of pay?

I agree Billy but teachers work more than 185 days a year.  There are always planning days in the summer holidays etc.  However i'd still say it'd only be about 220 max and for principals around 250 max.  I think students should be in school for 200+ days a year.  

[Soul Crusher]

There you are again.  Inflammatory remarks about an arts teacher.  Why shouldn't they?  Are arts not as important as math?  Without arts we would have no visual history, we would have no TV, no film, no theatre, no painting, no sculpture, no architecture, no fashion it would all be uniform block houses and one piece uniforms. 

No, the arts teacher IS NOT as important as the math teacher. 

[kcballer]

My friend who is math teacher told me about this.  I'm not making this up any more than i did the story about Pedro Espada stealing $14 Million from NY taxpayers.  

The teachers' unions, the democrats, the welfare scum, the govt employee unions, and their apologists are killing this country.  

So, you're math teacher friend obviously doesn't care much about the arts.  That's all you've established.  

[Soul Crusher]

So, you're math teacher friend obviously doesn't care much about the arts.  That's all you've established.  

No, he said these kids are playing with play doh and finger paints when what they need is reading, writing, and math.   

I agree 100% 

[kcballer]

No, the arts teacher IS NOT as important as the math teacher. 

hahaha see you have no understanding of the world in which we live 333 you're set in this belief of yours which is false.  No subject is above another.  Without each it would be pointless drivel.  

[Soul Crusher]

Great, so some moron can play with play doh and finger paints but cant tell when the check out clerk robs him at the 7/11. 

I get it.  Typical liberal idiocy.   

[kcballer]

Great, so some moron can play with play doh and finger paints but cant tell when the check out clerk robs him at the 7/11. 

I get it.  Typical liberal idiocy.   

Oh yes because i said math isn't important didn't i?  haha way to take things out of context and try to make them inflammatory.  That's been you're whole purpose in this thread, not the truth but inflammatory statements. 

[Soul Crusher]

Cry me a river.  Finally the taxpayers who actually pay for this garbage are waking up and fighting back from the marxist hoards. 

[kcballer]

Cry me a river.  Finally the taxpayers who actually pay for this garbage are waking up and fighting back from the marxist hoards. 

Paying people for essential services is marxism?  I guess the military is marxist to right?

[Soul Crusher]

Paying people for essential services is marxism?  I guess the military is marxist to right?

No, these greedy slobs in the unions seeking to loot the taxpayer year after year after year to fund their bloat, fat, and wasteful bs is. 

[kcballer]

No, these greedy slobs in the unions seeking to loot the taxpayer year after year after year to fund their bloat, fat, and wasteful bs is. 

teaching our children is wasteful?  I would argue we don't spend enough on education in this country.  we lose thousands of our brightest to big business and large salaries.  Education just can't compete.  There was once a time when it could and did compete when the smartest became teachers or professors now they go work for goldman sachs.  And hey that's fine you go where you will live the best life but if we put more money into education perhaps then it can once again compete for those people and retain them, that was when we had the best education system in the world, when we were the gold standard, now slowly that's been eroded because education has become less of a priority.   This isn't an American phenomenon it's a worldwide one where the private sector has outpaced the public one for salaries to the point where the smartest no longer view teaching etc as a viable career option.  Sad really. 

[Soul Crusher]

Abe Lincoln, GW, TJ, SA, JM, TE, and the founders were some of the most brilliant minds ever and didnt need teachers' unions, finger paints, play doh, condoms on cucumbers, Steve has two daddies, or any of the other crap we waste money on and they managed no?   

[kcballer]

Abe Lincoln, GW, TJ, SA, JM, TE, and the founders were some of the most brilliant minds ever and didnt need teachers' unions, finger paints, play doh, condoms on cucumbers, Steve has two daddies, or any of the other crap we waste money on and they managed no?   

So you justify your stance by pointing to a few minor details of education some of which you can not prove beyond 'my friend told me so'?  Wow you really are dense.  You cling to the scraps there 333 and keep thinking teachers are marxists and evil because they are paid by the government.  BTW did you go to public school 333 or private?  Just curious as to whether you were educated by marxists or not. 

Also by your reasoning should we have everyone raised in 1700's conditions so they can be like minded? 

[MRDUMPLING]

More money on education?  I think not...I believe John Stossel shot that down a long time ago.  I think our education system is broke because of the wastefulness of government, not because not enough is spent.  I think parents should have more say in where their children get an education via vouchers and people that don't have children or don't have any in school anymore should also should to use their taxes towards certain schools or programs.  I think that would increase transparency at least; in my area the most of our school taxes go towards the beauracracy more than the schools themselves.

[kcballer]

More money on education?  I think not...I believe John Stossel shot that down a long time ago.  I think our education system is broke because of the wastefulness of government, not because not enough is spent.  I think parents should have more say in where their children get an education via vouchers and people that don't have children or don't have any in school anymore should also should to use their taxes towards certain schools or programs.  I think that would increase transparency at least; in my area the most of our school taxes go towards the beauracracy more than the schools themselves.

I agree that there are bureaucrats who suck money out of the system, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our school system is grossly underfunded.  Taking out all wasteful spending is not a total answer at all.  It's a part of a solution sure but the solution is to spend more money, more wisely.  I don't agree that parents or people outside of the school system should get to delegate their tax dollars to a certain school.  I think you will breed favoritism and continue to widen the gap between wealthier and poorer areas.   

[MRDUMPLING]

I agree that there are bureaucrats who suck money out of the system, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our school system is grossly underfunded.  Taking out all wasteful spending is not a total answer at all.  It's a part of a solution sure but the solution is to spend more money, more wisely.  I don't agree that parents or people outside of the school system should get to delegate their tax dollars to a certain school.  I think you will breed favoritism and continue to widen the gap between wealthier and poorer areas.   

Not necessarily with school vouchers which I support.  It can give the parent and child more opportunity in my opinion as it is obvious what has happened with our school system under government control.  Saying to spend more money more wisely and to say that about the government isn't a solution either.  Something better can be done to rectify the system which is broke in many parts of the country.  The gap of education has to do with taxes not funding, give the parents vouchers to increase choice for their children. Wealthier areas pay more taxes to therefore they get better schools, that isn't a societal fault, that is a by product of our tax system so I think to truly fix our schools, if they are to stay in government control, then our tax system needs to be revamped at both the state and federal level. 

[muscleforlife]

And so it begins.

Just found out that orchestra in the HS may be the first extra curricular activity on the chopping block.

Sandra

[muscleforlife]

How do you propose closing a 8 BILLION dollar deficit?

By making cuts all across the board, including no tax cuts for the wealthy.
Merging school districts and fire, police, emergency services in towns that have smaller populations.
Stop allowing public employees from double dipping. Work as a superintendant on one job, have another part time job working for the government, get pensions for both.

Raise the gas tax.
Hell, NJ transit just raised it's rate by 25%.  A monthly pass will now cost $349.00
Where the hell is all of this money going?
I can't wait to move out of NJ.
Sandra

[grab an umbrella]

Not sure who said raise the gas tax, but let's be honest.  Start cutting non essential government programs.  Why is it that police/fire get cut first?  Does that make any sense at all?