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Re: TERRORISTS RECIEVING AMERICAN TRIALS IN AMERICAN COURT ROOMS
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2009, 12:01:51 PM »
Yes and an even more power full one liner would be "The President that let the 9/11 mastermind walk". Mickey Mouse could run against him wain after that.

I have come to the belief that Obama does not even want a 2nd term. 

His goal is to screw us so bad, so deep, that we are screwed forever with his crap & tax, Health Care Deform, permanent 10% + UE, etc and then try to be president of the World. 

I have no doubt that his goal os to be president of the world.  He does not give a rats ass about this nation. 


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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2009, 02:18:42 PM »
I have come to the belief that Obama does not even want a 2nd term. 

His goal is to screw us so bad, so deep, that we are screwed forever with his crap & tax, Health Care Deform, permanent 10% + UE, etc and then try to be president of the World. 

I have no doubt that his goal os to be president of the world.  He does not give a rats ass about this nation. 



Or your bias is clouding your objectivity. 

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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2009, 03:08:54 PM »
Yes and an even more power full one liner would be "The President that let the 9/11 mastermind walk". Mickey Mouse could run against him wain after that.

333386 said it will be 3 to 5 years before any trial. 

This means O can use the "I'm the guy that prosecuted 9/11 bad guys in NYC!" to win in 2012, and then it doesn't matter for his job if they beat the rap.

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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2009, 03:39:48 PM »
333386 said it will be 3 to 5 years before any trial. 

This means O can use the "I'm the guy that prosecuted 9/11 bad guys in NYC!" to win in 2012, and then it doesn't matter for his job if they beat the rap.

Look at the mousaoi trial and how that went.

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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2009, 03:40:36 PM »
9/11 suspects face possible death in NYC trial


The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and four suspected co-plotters will be tried in a civilian court blocks from where Al-Qaeda hijackers crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center, the US government announced.

Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday that prosecutors would seek the death penalty against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other suspects who are held at Guantanamo Bay but will be moved to a New York prison ahead of their trial.

"After eight years of delay, those allegedly responsible for the attacks of September 11 will finally face justice," Holder said, without giving a date.

"They will be brought to New York to answer to their alleged crimes in a courthouse just blocks away from where the Twin Towers once stood."

Five more Guantanamo detainees, including Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, accused of plotting the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole destroyer off Yemen that killed 17 US sailors, will be tried before military commissions.



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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2009, 03:43:28 PM »
Look at the mousaoi trial and how that went.

Life in prison without possibility of parole, supermax prison, under Bush. 

Obama wanted to send them to supermax prisions, and everyone called him a pansy.

Obama is, once again, following the Bush precendent.  The only diff is, Bush had SEVEN YEARS to try these pricks - he just sat and did nothing.  NO new evidence came up against these cats in 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08.

He just didn't want to be the guy to send them to trial.  Fuct up.

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« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2009, 03:44:28 PM »
9/11 suspects face possible death in NYC trial


The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and four suspected co-plotters will be tried in a civilian court blocks from where Al-Qaeda hijackers crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center, the US government announced.

Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday that prosecutors would seek the death penalty against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other suspects who are held at Guantanamo Bay but will be moved to a New York prison ahead of their trial.

"After eight years of delay, those allegedly responsible for the attacks of September 11 will finally face justice," Holder said, without giving a date.

"They will be brought to New York to answer to their alleged crimes in a courthouse just blocks away from where the Twin Towers once stood."

Five more Guantanamo detainees, including Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, accused of plotting the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole destroyer off Yemen that killed 17 US sailors, will be tried before military commissions.




240 - should the people who plotted Pearl Harbor been tried in a local Hawaiian court? 

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« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2009, 03:46:19 PM »
240 - should the people who plotted Pearl Harbor been tried in a local Hawaiian court? 

maybe - just maybe - they weren't able to gather much evidence against these guys, even though they know they are guilty as pig shit.

And maybe they know they'll get convicted in NYC on emotion alone.


If you have any explanation why Dubya didn't indict these pricks in military tribute to prevent giving his lib successor a chance to let them off - please share.  The record shows BUSH used similar trials on a man who ADMITTED HE WAS the 20th HIJACKER!!!

O just doing what W did. 

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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2009, 03:48:49 PM »
maybe - just maybe - they weren't able to gather much evidence against these guys, even though they know they are guilty as pig shit.

And maybe they know they'll get convicted in NYC on emotion alone.


If you have any explanation why Dubya didn't indict these pricks in military tribute to prevent giving his lib successor a chance to let them off - please share.  The record shows BUSH used similar trials on a man who ADMITTED HE WAS the 20th HIJACKER!!!

O just doing what W did. 



I dont think mousaoiu was waterboarded and caught overseas by the CIA and subjected to enhancred interrogation.  I have to look up what happened in that case, but from what I understand, they did not have to reveal sources, etc in that case.  Here we have 5 defendants and each has subpoena power, is able to get wide ranging discovery, etc. 

I also dont see the need for this since they already confessed to their guilt. 

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Re: TERRORISTS RECIEVING AMERICAN TRIALS IN AMERICAN COURT ROOMS
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »
Friday, November 13, 2009



Holder's Hidden Agenda, cont'd . . .   [Andy McCarthy]


This summer, I theorized that Attorney General Eric Holder — and his boss — had a hidden agenda in ordering a re-investigation of the CIA for six-year-old alleged interrogation excesses that had already been scrutinized by non-partisan DOJ prosecutors who had found no basis for prosecution. The continuing investigations of Bush-era counterterrorism policies (i.e., the policies that kept us safe from more domestic terror attacks), coupled with the Holder Justice Department's obsession to disclose classified national-defense information from that period, enable Holder to give the hard Left the "reckoning" that he and Obama promised during the 2008 campaign. It would be too politically explosive for Obama/Holder to do the dirty work of charging Bush administration officials; but as new revelations from investigations and declassifications are churned out, Leftist lawyers use them to urge European and international tribunals to bring "torture" and "war crimes" indictments. Thus, administration cooperation gives Obama's base the reckoning it demands but Obama gets to deny responsibility for any actual prosecutions.

Today's announcement that KSM and other top al-Qaeda terrorists will be transferred to Manhattan federal court for civilian trials neatly fits this hidden agenda. Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.

Let's take stock of where we are at this point. KSM and his confederates wanted to plead guilty and have their martyrs' execution last December, when they were being handled by military commission. As I said at the time, we could and should have accommodated them. The Obama administration could still accommodate them. After all, the president has not pulled the plug on all military commissions: Holder is going to announce at least one commission trial (for Nashiri, the Cole bomber) today.

Moreover, KSM has no defense. He was under American indictment for terrorism for years before there ever was a 9/11, and he can't help himself but brag about the atrocities he and his fellow barbarians have carried out.

So: We are now going to have a trial that never had to happen for defendants who have no defense. And when defendants have no defense for their own actions, there is only one thing for their lawyers to do: put the government on trial in hopes of getting the jury (and the media) spun up over government errors, abuses and incompetence. That is what is going to happen in the trial of KSM et al. It will be a soapbox for al-Qaeda's case against America. Since that will be their "defense," the defendants will demand every bit of information they can get about interrogations, renditions, secret prisons, undercover operations targeting Muslims and mosques, etc., and — depending on what judge catches the case — they are likely to be given a lot of it. The administration will be able to claim that the judge, not the administration, is responsible for the exposure of our defense secrets. And the circus will be played out for all to see — in the middle of the war. It will provide endless fodder for the transnational Left to press its case that actions taken in America's defense are violations of international law that must be addressed by foreign courts. And the intelligence bounty will make our enemies more efficient at killing us.


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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2010, 09:04:51 AM »
The Doofus in Chief just doubled down on stupid again. 

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« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2010, 03:12:55 PM »
The trial will be held blocks from Ground Zero.  Bloomberg is very happy about this.

The guys already confessed, so they're all getting found guilty.  Instead of just never hearing about them again, NYC gets a chance to look these cawksuckers in the eye one last time, slam the gavel down, and lock them up for life.

People seem to be either really for, or really against, this move.  I don't live in NYC, so I have no clue what the locals are saying.  I have to believe that there are *some* people who lost relatives on 9/11 who will see this as closure.  Just as many family of victims will show up to see the killer executed.  Some people need that.



did you read GW's post today? 

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« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2010, 07:13:36 PM »
Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bombings

Published November 17, 2010 | FoxNews.com


 
Former Guantanamo Bay detainee Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty on all but one charge Wednesday by a civilian jury in New York, in a case with ramifications for President Obama's policy toward Guantanamo and civilian trials for terror suspects.

Ghailani was acquitted in federal court on more than 280 charges in connection with the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, including one murder count for each of the 224 people killed. He was found guilty for only one charge, conspiracy to destroy government buildings.

Ghailani faces a minimum sentence of 20 years in prison and a possible life sentence. He will remain in custody and sentencing will take place on Jan. 25, 2011.

The acquittal is seen as a major blow to the U.S. government, as Ghailani was the first former Gitmo detainee to be tried in a civilian courtroom. The case had been viewed as a possible test case for President Barack Obama administration's aim of putting other terror detainees -- including self-professed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four other terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba -- on trial on U.S. soil.

The anonymous federal jury deliberated over seven days, with a juror writing a note to the judge saying she felt threatened by other jurors.

Prosecutors had branded Ghailani a cold-blooded terrorist. The defense portrayed him as a clueless errand boy, exploited by senior Al Qaeda operatives and framed by evidence from contaminated crime scenes.

The judge had earlier decided that a star witness would not be allowed to testify because the witness was identified while Ghailani was held at a secret CIA camp that used harsh interrogation techniques. It is unknown what effect this witness would have had on the case.

Prosecutors had alleged Ghailani helped an Al Qaeda cell buy a truck and components for explosives used in a suicide bombing in his native Tanzania on Aug. 7, 1998. The attack in Dar es Salaam and a nearly simultaneous bombing in Nairobi, Kenya, killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.

The day before the bombings, Ghailani boarded a one-way flight to Pakistan under an alias, prosecutors said. While on the run, he spent time in Afghanistan as a cook and bodyguard for Osama bin Laden and later as a document forger for Al Qaeda, authorities said.

He was captured in 2004 in Pakistan and held by the CIA at a secret overseas camp. In 2006, he was transferred to Guantanamo and held until the decision last year to bring him to New York.

Despite losing its key witness, the government was given broad latitude to reference Al Qaeda and bin Laden. It did -- again and again.

"This is Ahmed Ghailani. This is Al Qaeda. This is a terrorist. This is a killer," Assistant U.S. Attorney Harry Chernoff said in closing arguments.

The jury heard a former Al Qaeda member who has cooperated with the government describe how bin Laden took the group in a more radical direction with a 1998 fatwa, or religious edict, against Americans.

Bin Laden accused the United States of killing innocent women and children in the Middle East and decided "we should do the same," L'Houssaine Kherchtou said on the witness stand.

A prosecutor read aloud the fatwa, which called on Muslims to rise up and "kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they can find it."

Other witnesses described how Ghailani bought gas tanks used in the truck bomb with cash supplied by the terror group, how the FBI found a blasting cap stashed in his room at a cell hideout and how he lied to family members about his escape, telling them he was going to Yemen to start a new life.

The defense never contested that Ghailani knew some of the plotters. But it claimed he was in the dark about their sinister intentions.

"Call him a fall guy. Call him a pawn," lawyer Peter Quijano said in his closing argument. "But don't call him guilty."

Quijano argued the investigation in Africa was too chaotic to produce reliable evidence. He said local authorities and the FBI "trampled all over" unsecured crime scenes during searches in Tanzania

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: TERRORISTS RECIEVING AMERICAN TRIALS IN AMERICAN COURT ROOMS
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2010, 05:01:49 AM »
Everyone, regardless who they are, should get a fair trial.
That is one of the foundations of our modern society.

Just like we shouldn't accept full body scanners and surveillance cameras in public, we should demand that everyone, even terrorists and public enemies, gets a fair trial.

Because in the end, it is really all about the personal freedom. The liberty of man.

If the government are allowed to kill off terrorists one day, what will they be allowed to do tomorrow?

Will they be allowed to sabotage political activism? Or even put political activists in prison, without trial?

IMO, it's always a lot at stake when you start talking about removing fundamental rights.

And I think it's pretty naive to believe that it's possible to do an exception for certain individuals.

Whether you like it or not, if you give the government the go-ahead on something like this - they will use it in other instances as well.
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2010, 05:15:58 AM »
What is wrong w a military tribunal?

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« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2010, 05:28:12 AM »
What is wrong w a military tribunal?

If it was me that was to be tried, then I wouldn't want to be tried in a military tribunal.

Because the judicial safety seems higher in a criminal trial.
A couple of examples:
Convictions in civilian courts must be unanimous, while the military tribunals would be able to convict by a two-thirds majority
Different rules of evidence apply, with lower standards for admission in military tribunals
Defendants are not guaranteed the right to appeal against convictions in military tribunals
Civilian trials must be open to the public, while military tribunals can be held in secret.


And since military tribunals aren't good enough for myself. They aren't good enough for anyone else I reason.
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« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2010, 05:29:42 AM »

Don't wage war against the usa and you won't have a problem.

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« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2010, 05:36:45 AM »
Don't wage war against the usa and you won't have a problem.

You don't fear giving the government a go ahead in killing terrorists without trials?

You think the government will stop at that?
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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2010, 05:44:05 AM »
You don't fear giving the government a go ahead in killing terrorists without trials?

You think the government will stop at that?

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« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2010, 07:12:24 AM »
You don't fear giving the government a go ahead in killing terrorists without trials?

You think the government will stop at that?

He's right. We should also wait for terrorists to kill people before arresting them, flying them to America, mirandizing them, giving them a lawyer, selecting a jury, having a discovery process, filing motions and then holding a trial. With any luck every single terrorist (after they have already killed innocent people) we arrest will have a trial that will last between 5 and 10 years. That's the best way to go about it. 

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