TERRORISTS RECIEVING AMERICAN TRIALS IN AMERICAN COURT ROOMS

[BodyProSite]

why not just kill these fuckers they have already admitted to doing it, why continue to spend another dime on their worthless asses , just kill them and be done , they had no problem killing over 3000 civilians,  men women and children , why should we care anything about there rights? even though they are not american so I dont know why they get american rights??  people in their culture dont get trials, they get real forms of torture, not water boarding , then beheaded

[Mons Venus]

You sound much like a scummmbag NeoCon......true?

[BodyProSite]

so with that being said i bet you think hitler deserved a trial too and to have peoples hard earned tax dollars wasted on keeping his junky ass alive in prison, besides  what are you doing off your daddy racheal maddows dick long enough to post on here , he is gona be mad and whoop your ass

[headhuntersix]

Sure thing Mons....sure thing.

[OzmO]

why not just kill these fuckers they have already admitted to doing it, why continue to spend another dime on their worthless asses , just kill them and be done , they had no problem killing over 3000 civilians,  men women and children , why should we care anything about there rights? even though they are not american so I dont know why they get american rights??  people in their culture dont get trials, they get real forms of torture, not water boarding , then beheaded

Then we would really be no different than them.  What separates us from barbaric 13th century religious nut jobs hell bent on our destruction is that we believe in laws that protect our rights.  In the heat of battle, of course it's different, but prisoners are not in the heat of battle.  Should they be tried with the same rights as american citizens?  Probably not.  But they shouldn't be summarily executed. Otherwise we are just a nut job of a different color.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Got to prove them guilty before they can be punished you numskull...

[OzmO]

so with that being said i bet you think hitler deserved a trial too and to have peoples hard earned tax dollars wasted on keeping his junky ass alive in prison, besides  what are you doing off your daddy racheal maddows dick long enough to post on here , he is gona be mad and whoop your ass

Yeah......

They actually had trials for all the nazi's captured.  Yeah, Churchill and Roosevelt and all those Generals were such libs.  Of course Stalin (who was once a community organizer like Obama  ) wanted to execute like 100,000 of them.

In case you don't know the name of the famous trials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials

[George Whorewell]

Oz- Were the Nuremberg trials held in a civilian court room a few paces from where the war crimes took place?

Did the Nazi war criminals receive all the benefits of the civilian criminal justice system along with the angloamerican safeguards in place for criminal defendants such as the rules of evidence, Miranda warnings etc.?

Were the Nuremberg defendants given the benefit of the US constitution?

Did the Nuremberg trials occur in a time where technology and media coverage had the potential to turn the proceedings into an absolute circus?

Did the prosecutors at trial have to worry about compromising sources, the threat of betraying intelligence methods or the proceedings themselves being blown up by a lone wolf Nazi sympathizer or a global Nazi terrorist organization?

This is an absolute disgrace and a total farce. The fact that this abomination is going to take place in my city makes me sick to my stomach. This is a cowardly and incompetent move by Obama and his sanctimonious douchebag Attorney General. This is going to be nothing more than a several year long circus that gives terrorist scum an open propaganda forum to spew their anti-american drivel to the entire planet.

[OzmO]

Oz- Were the Nuremberg trials held in a civilian court room a few paces from where the war crimes took place?

Did the Nazi war criminals receive all the benefits of the civilian criminal justice system along with the angloamerican safeguards in place for criminal defendants such as the rules of evidence, Miranda warnings etc.?

Were the Nuremberg defendants given the benefit of the US constitution?

Did the Nuremberg trials occur in a time where technology and media coverage had the potential to turn the proceedings into an absolute circus?

Did the prosecutors at trial have to worry about compromising sources, the threat of betraying intelligence methods or the proceedings themselves being blown up by a lone wolf Nazi sympathizer or a global Nazi terrorist organization?

This is an absolute disgrace and a total farce. The fact that this abomination is going to take place in my city makes me sick to my stomach. This is a cowardly and incompetent move by Obama and his sanctimonious douchebag Attorney General. This is going to be nothing more than a several year long circus that gives terrorist scum an open propaganda forum to spew their anti-american drivel to the entire planet.

Is this what we are so outraged about http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AC1S720091113?

It says the attorney General plans to seek death penalty for 9/11 suspects. 

I ponder, if successful will it show the rest of the muslim world, the ones who's faith and hearts the terrorists seek, that the suspects were tried fairly on a legit court?  Will it show that good won over evil and that the American system of true justice prevailed and has more long term value to the progression and survival of one's religious foundations?

Anyways,  I'm not arguing whether having a trial now will not compare to the Nuremberg trials.  I'm only pointing out that we did hold trials, we just didn't go an pop a cap in everyone's head.   

[George Whorewell]

Oz- this happened already during the first WTC bombing in 1993.

The end result was that the same nut job cockroaches came back and finished the job. In the process human cesspool Lynee Stewart ( the blind Sheiks lawyer) helped smuggle coded messages to his followers in the middle east. The result? Dozens of innocent tourists were massacred on a bus in Egypt. One of the Sheiks followers left a note stuck in one of the victims disemboweled torso calling for the Sheiks release.

That farce will pail in comparison to this one.

While your hearts and minds argument would normally hold water, understand this. You cant win the battle for hearts and minds when the people you are trying to convince have NEITHER and the ones that do will largely be foreclosed from comprehending or appreciating the luxury that these barbarians are being given by having a trial in an American civilian court. Do you really think a bunch of uneducated ( or educated but brainwashed) extremists are going to give a fuck? This trial will create more terrorists than a million Guantanamo's ever could. Waterboarding, Karl Rove and the war on Islam are going to be the menu items of this trial. I highly doubt Aljazeera, the Iranian media or other extremist hotbeds around the world are going to hail this trial as some sort of accomplishment.


Non enemy combatants that wage war against the United States should be tried before a military tribunal. Giving these animals a forum to spew their anti American propaganda and dishonor the memory of those murdered on 911 is so sickening to me as an American I can't even put it into words. All of these animals are going to cry torture and the trial is going to turn into a referendum on waterboarding and CIA tactics.

This is a political power play by Obama and his team of a idealistic do-gooders.

[OzmO]

Oz- this happened already during the first WTC bombing in 1993.

The end result was that the same nut job cockroaches came back and finished the job. In the process human cesspool Lynee Stewart ( the blind Sheiks lawyer) helped smuggle coded messages to his followers in the middle east. The result? Dozens of innocent tourists were massacred on a bus in Egypt. One of the Sheiks followers left a note stuck in one of the victims disemboweled torso calling for the Sheiks release.

That farce will pail in comparison to this one.

While your hearts and minds argument would normally hold water, understand this. You cant win the battle for hearts and minds when the people you are trying to convince have NEITHER and the ones that do will largely be foreclosed from comprehending or appreciating the luxury that these barbarians are being given by having a trial in an American civilian court. Do you really think a bunch of uneducated ( or educated but brainwashed) extremists are going to give a fuck? This trial will create more terrorists than a million Guantanamo's ever could. Waterboarding, Karl Rove and the war on Islam are going to be the menu items of this trial. I highly doubt Aljazeera, the Iranian media or other extremist hotbeds around the world are going to hail this trial as some sort of accomplishment.


Non enemy combatants that wage war against the United States should be tried before a military tribunal. Giving these animals a forum to spew their anti American propaganda and dishonor the memory of those murdered on 911 is so sickening to me as an American I can't even put it into words. All of these animals are going to cry torture and the trial is going to turn into a referendum on waterboarding and CIA tactics.

This is a political power play by Obama and his team of a idealistic do-gooders.

Really?  So you think the typical muslim doesn't have a heart and mind?  I'm not suggesting nut jobs can change.  I'm suggesting that the world stage will show America as stupidly barbaric as the nut jobs if just summarily kill them.

I know quite few muslims.  There are muslims who raise families and just want the best for them like you and i and there are muslims who are 13th century nut jobs (none of which i know) because most of them are in Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq.  And most of those are living in the mountains.  Those (nut jobs) are a very small percentage of muslims who have direct access to main stream muslims via, propaganda, intimidation, and proximity.  So how we handle this does matter. 

Like i said, i don't know that they should be tried with the same rights as Americans, and I don't know that they will.  I do know however, that we have a responsibility on the world stage to walk the walk and saying it is a Obama's do-gooders mission is irrelevant.  And how these bitches cry in court doesn't matter as in Saddam's trial, no one gave a rats ass what he said.

[ToxicAvenger]

why not just kill these fuckers they have already admitted to doing it, why continue to spend another dime on their worthless asses , just kill them and be done , they had no problem killing over 3000 civilians,  men women and children , why should we care anything about there rights? even though they are not american so I dont know why they get american rights??  people in their culture dont get trials, they get real forms of torture, not water boarding , then beheaded

2nd that

[Soul Crusher]

This is another disgusting act by the Scumbag-in-Chief. 

1.  These terrorists do not deserve a civilian trial and should be tried in a military tribunal.

2.  What is the reason fro a trial since they already confessed many times over?

3.  The people who investigated 9/11 to capture these terrorists werre not adhering to civilian procedures in evidence etc .  This is pure madness. 

4.  Having already confessed, the costs of this will be in the ten of millions of dollars while these animals make a mockery of the system. 

5.  Rudy already said the 93' trial of Ramzi Yusef comprimised a ton of national security. 


This is truly perhaps one of the worst things this asshole has done yet.  I have lived in NYC area my whole life and people are really pissed over this.  The local radio stations are booming with people pissed off at Obama for this. 

     

[ToxicAvenger]

1.  These terrorists do not deserve a civilian trial and should be tried in a military tribunal.


     

tried???   TRIED??? see this is why yall go wrong...

he is an extremist muslim....he wants to go to heaven.....lets help him along and publicly behead the bastard

[240 is Back]

The trial will be held blocks from Ground Zero.  Bloomberg is very happy about this.

The guys already confessed, so they're all getting found guilty.  Instead of just never hearing about them again, NYC gets a chance to look these cawksuckers in the eye one last time, slam the gavel down, and lock them up for life.

People seem to be either really for, or really against, this move.  I don't live in NYC, so I have no clue what the locals are saying.  I have to believe that there are *some* people who lost relatives on 9/11 who will see this as closure.  Just as many family of victims will show up to see the killer executed.  Some people need that.

[Soul Crusher]

The trial will be held blocks from Ground Zero.  Bloomberg is very happy about this.

The guys already confessed, so they're all getting found guilty.  Instead of just never hearing about them again, NYC gets a chance to look these cawksuckers in the eye one last time, slam the gavel down, and lock them up for life.

People seem to be either really for, or really against, this move.  I don't live in NYC, so I have no clue what the locals are saying.  I have to believe that there are *some* people who lost relatives on 9/11 who will see this as closure.  Just as many family of victims will show up to see the killer executed.  Some people need that.

240 - the confesssions might get throw out.  Ask GW.  Forced confesssions are not admissible in court as evidence and all "fruits of the poisoned tree" are thrown out as well. 

240 - you are not an attorney.  GW has a good grasp on law.  This is not the slam dunk you think it is by any stretch.  Bloomberg is not a lawyer either.   

[240 is Back]

240 - the confesssions might get throw out.  Ask GW.  Forced confesssions are not admissible in court as evidence and all "fruits of the poisoned tree" are thrown out as well. 

240 - you are not an attorney.  GW has a good grasp on law.  This is not the slam dunk you think it is by any stretch.  Bloomberg is not a lawyer either.   

Would the outcome with a military trial be any diff from a civvie trial?  Different evidence?  Etc?

I think the white house is using it as a huge PR win.  I predicted Obama would get people to forget about crap/trade and other issues by taking the wheel and showing us some positive things - on his own schedule.

I'm betting this trial wraps up with some tidy, public high profile convictions, right around election time 2010.  And will people remember the stim bill, or cap, or obamacare then?  Or will they read liberal headlines declaring "Obama finishes off 911 bad guys in NYC, something Bush couldn't do..." and just smile, nod head, and vote Dem?

Obama is a smart dude.  Get all the wild lib shit done early, then do all the high profile stuff that non-news watchers will notice on the their mornign AOL screen, right around election time.

[shootfighter1]

I have no problem trying them but it should absolutely be in military court.  These terrorists will love this and a trial will inspire other radical muslim leaders.  They will use their court appearance to trash America and talk about their mistreatment, which will become a major focus.  That's what Holder and Obama want...to put the Bush administration through the ringer along with the terrorists.  

We also have a potential of releasing too much military and intel information through a public civilian court.  I'm no legal expert but pretty sure the way evidence is handled in a criminal public court is different than a military court.  This is appauling to me.  Should be done in military tribunal.

[Soul Crusher]

Would the outcome with a military trial be any diff from a civvie trial?  Different evidence?  Etc?

I think the white house is using it as a huge PR win.  I predicted Obama would get people to forget about crap/trade and other issues by taking the wheel and showing us some positive things - on his own schedule.

I'm betting this trial wraps up with some tidy, public high profile convictions, right around election time 2010.  And will people remember the stim bill, or cap, or obamacare then?  Or will they read liberal headlines declaring "Obama finishes off 911 bad guys in NYC, something Bush couldn't do..." and just smile, nod head, and vote Dem?

Obama is a smart dude.  Get all the wild lib shit done early, then do all the high profile stuff that non-news watchers will notice on the their mornign AOL screen, right around election time.

240 - are you a lawyer?  No.  I am.  

Trials like this will last for at least 3-5 years because the defense counsel will get massive wide ranging discovery.

you have no idea how bad this is.  Again, your not a lawyer and need to educate yourself.  

[240 is Back]

240 - are you a lawyer?  No.  I am. 

Trials like this will last for at least 3-5 years because the defense counsel will get massive wide ranging discovery.

you have no idea how bad this is.  Again, your not a lawyer and need to educate yourself. 

Like I said, I'm asking Qs because I don't know how all that works.

My point isn't about the validity of this show trial. it's about the political move of Obama.  This is clearly a political move, and one that could benefit him.  Will this trial REALLY last 5 years?  Is that what you're saying?

O wants a public win - and those guys walking out with guilty verdicts will deliver that.  This is politics.  I'm not gonna argue legal - I don't know that arena.  My point is that despite this being a bad idea - it's good politics if it goes his way.  If.

[Soul Crusher]

Like I said, I'm asking Qs because I don't know how all that works.

My point isn't about the validity of this show trial. it's about the political move of Obama.  This is clearly a political move, and one that could benefit him.  Will this trial REALLY last 5 years?  Is that what you're saying?

O wants a public win - and those guys walking out with guilty verdicts will deliver that.  This is politics.  I'm not gonna argue legal - I don't know that arena.  My point is that despite this being a bad idea - it's good politics if it goes his way.  If.

240 - this is Obama giving in to the left wing freak show circuis act. 

They wanted his to prosecute Bush and the CIA.  He didnt do it and they have been screaming since. 

By doing this, this allows the terrorists to put Bush, the CIA, etc on trial instead of Obama doing it.  \

240 - you have no idea how bad this is. 

[240 is Back]

240 - this is Obama giving in to the left wing freak show circuis act. 
They wanted his to prosecute Bush and the CIA.  He didnt do it and they have been screaming since. 
By doing this, this allows the terrorists to put Bush, the CIA, etc on trial instead of Obama doing it.  \
240 - you have no idea how bad this is. 

I'm in complete agreement with you.  Lots of potential bad things from this.  however, this may benefit him politically to bash Bush, claim a win, etc.  "I put those terrorists on trial in New York City...."   It may be something he can use in 2012 debates.  Some claim of anti-terror accomplishment.  I"m not saying it's legit 33 - I'm saying to numbnet debate viewers, it might work.  He can always pin any loss on shoddy work during Bush era as well.



Also...why is bloomberg so happy about it?

[Soul Crusher]

I'm in complete agreement with you.  Lots of potential bad things from this.  however, this may benefit him politically to bash Bush, claim a win, etc.  "I put those terrorists on trial in New York City...."   It may be something he can use in 2012 debates.  Some claim of anti-terror accomplishment.  I"m not saying it's legit 33 - I'm saying to numbnet debate viewers, it might work.  He can always pin any loss on shoddy work during Bush era as well.



Also...why is bloomberg so happy about it?

Bloomberg is not a lawyer. 

As far as Obama, he is playing politics with national security. 

[Soul Crusher]

[Soul Crusher]

240 - do you think Rudy knows a thing or 2 about law, terrorism, etc?