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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 08:14:21 AM »
Excellent advise from Montague. The lateral delt machine was not designed to be a compound unit, though it can be used for one with some programs. Work the mind, along with the muscles...they are connected. This applies strongly to true BB'ing.

If a weight is too heavy to start with, the traps will come into play strongly. Even with normal light DB lateral raises, the traps come into play. Even stronger when the DB's continue over head, beyond shoulder height. The whole point is not to rush to use more and more weight every workout.

The progressive overload system require a steady increase in exercise poundage, but not before you can handle the present exercise poundage with reasonable control. If working in the 8-12 rep range, be sure in hit the 12th rep before adding weight the next workout and dropping back to the original 8 reps. Progressing reps is just as important as progressing weight.

Another factor may be that the pads are too far up on the elbows/arm, shifting more of the workload to the traps. Try having the pads resting on the very end of the elbows. Not so easy though, not too many of those lateral machines are that adjustable. If you have longer arms than normal, there may be a problem getting the correct leverage for the delts. Most exercise machines are designed for a normal height of 5'10 or so. Good luck.

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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 09:21:14 AM »
Also you must "learn" to push out with the lateral head of the delt instead of using momentum.

Again,a form of mind/muscle connection.

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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2011, 10:20:03 AM »
Also you must "learn" to push out with the lateral head of the delt instead of using momentum.

Again,a form of mind/muscle connection.

Exactly.  No swinging the pads up etc.


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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »
thanks for the advice guys. the traps werent taking over, just getting worked a bit, but i was going all the way to the top of its range of motion, which might have been the reason for the traps coming into play (as per jpm).  150lbs should be good though, been doing slow controlled reps very easily with it.. 4-5 sets of 10..

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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2011, 06:20:49 PM »
thanks for the advice guys. the traps werent taking over, just getting worked a bit, but i was going all the way to the top of its range of motion, which might have been the reason for the traps coming into play (as per jpm).  150lbs should be good though, been doing slow controlled reps very easily with it.. 4-5 sets of 10..
Next time try different positions, leaning forward, straight up and lean back a bit...see how each one feels and the differences. ;)
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Re: SHoulder question.. Good one for JPM
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2011, 07:30:52 PM »
Wes is right on with the "learn" thing.

Just about any exercise requires a brief learning period to do it, and your body, justice. Probably main reason the bench, squats & DL's seem to produce so many unneeded injuries. Which in return sets back training weeks, if not month's.

Can go super heavy on any of those three movement, only take a extra few weeks to learn how to do it correctly. And adjustments for your body type, if needed. Good Luck.
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