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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 01:40:45 PM »
Both.



How much should the oil companies be able to profit?  5%?  10%?  15%?

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 01:53:04 PM »
Oil prices fall and gas prices stay the same? Really?? Do you have anything else than anecdotal evidence to prove that? Because where I live (Metro Detroit), gasoline prices fluctuate all the time.

But regarding the divergence of gasoline prices and oil prices, the US government actually runs a protectionist racket for oil refineries. First of all, there have been no new oil refineries built in the US since the late 70s. Secondly, the government places tariffs on refined oil. These two policies together restrict the supply of refined oil inside the US, pushing up its price and increasing profits for the already existing oil refineries. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=410575.msg5878430#msg5878430

So again, this is not a problem of oil companies, but of Big Government.

Gas prices fluctuate here all the time.  But what I've seen countless times is gas prices rise because of "tensions in the Middle East," rise in oil prices, etc., but almost never see an in-kind reduction when tensions decrease or the price of oil drops.  So what I see is a spike of 20 cents, followed by a reduction of 10 cents, spike of 15, reduction of 5, etc., usually with a new set point for "low" gas prices.      

But the fact is they maintain their profit margin no matter what.  What other business or industry does this?  They're like a cartel.  

The problem is both the industry and the government.  

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 01:53:48 PM »


How much should the oil companies be able to profit?  5%?  10%?  15%?

Whatever the market dictates. 

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 01:54:53 PM »
Gas prices fluctuate here all the time.  But what I've seen countless times is gas prices rise because of "tensions in the Middle East," rise in oil prices, etc., but almost never see an in-kind reduction when tensions decrease or the price of oil drops.  So what I see is a spike of 20 cents, followed by a reduction of 10 cents, spike of 15, reduction of 5, etc., usually with a new set point for "low" gas prices.      

But the fact is they maintain their profit margin no matter what.  What other business or industry does this?  They're like a cartel.  

The problem is both the industry and the government.  

The problem is the devaluation of the dollar via the Fed and restrictions the govt places on both supply as well as the refinment and differeing blends.

  

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 02:06:58 PM »
Whatever the market dictates. 

The govt distorts the market via regulation, taxation, mandate, etc.   

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2012, 02:09:48 PM »
Gas prices fluctuate here all the time.  But what I've seen countless times is gas prices rise because of "tensions in the Middle East," rise in oil prices, etc., but almost never see an in-kind reduction when tensions decrease or the price of oil drops.  So what I see is a spike of 20 cents, followed by a reduction of 10 cents, spike of 15, reduction of 5, etc., usually with a new set point for "low" gas prices.      

But the fact is they maintain their profit margin no matter what.  What other business or industry does this?  They're like a cartel.  

The problem is both the industry and the government.  
This. Exactly the same thing here - "Middle east tension" causes the price to jump 40 cents - 2 weeks later when the tension eases it drops maybe 15 cents, and they proclaim gas prices are coming down. Then 2 weeks later they jump another 20 cents, due to hurricanes or whatever they can find... then it drops 5 cents after "whatever it is" is over, and the price never again will reach anywhere NEAR what it was...
Its purely greed on the part of the Oil companies. They know that when they jack up the price, all they have to do is lower it 5% and people breathe a sigh of relief thinking "Well its coming back down" but it never really comes back down.
The fact they say this and show profits so outrageous proves the fact they are gouging.

The problem is 2 things - lack of competition, and governmental regulations.

Free market rules dont apply when there is no competition.

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Re: Dems propose "Reasonable Profits Board" to regulate oil company profits.
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2012, 02:59:33 PM »
This. Exactly the same thing here - "Middle east tension" causes the price to jump 40 cents - 2 weeks later when the tension eases it drops maybe 15 cents, and they proclaim gas prices are coming down. Then 2 weeks later they jump another 20 cents, due to hurricanes or whatever they can find... then it drops 5 cents after "whatever it is" is over, and the price never again will reach anywhere NEAR what it was...
Its purely greed on the part of the Oil companies. They know that when they jack up the price, all they have to do is lower it 5% and people breathe a sigh of relief thinking "Well its coming back down" but it never really comes back down.
The fact they say this and show profits so outrageous proves the fact they are gouging.

The problem is 2 things - lack of competition, and governmental regulations.

Free market rules dont apply when there is no competition.


Agree.