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Dems propose 'Reasonable Profits Board' to regulate oil company profits
By Pete Kasperowicz - 01/19/12 10:20 AM ET
 


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/205085-dems-propose-reasonable-profits-board-to-regulate-oil-company-profits


 
Six House Democrats, led by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), want to set up a "Reasonable Profits Board" to control gas profits.

The Democrats, worried about higher gas prices, want to set up a board that would apply a "windfall profit tax" as high as 100 percent on the sale of oil and gas, according to their legislation. The bill provides no specific guidance for how the board would determine what constitutes a reasonable profit.

The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees from Congress.


The bill would also seem to exclude industry representatives from the board, as it says members "shall have no financial interests in any of the businesses for which reasonable profits are determined by the Board."

According to the bill, a windfall tax of 50 percent would be applied when the sale of oil or gas leads to a profit of between 100 percent and 102 percent of a reasonable profit. The windfall tax would jump to 75 percent when the profit is between 102 and 105 percent of a reasonable profit, and above that, the windfall tax would be 100 percent. The bill also specifies that the oil-and-gas companies, as the seller, would have to pay this tax.

Kucinich said these tax revenues would be used to fund alternative transportation programs when oil-and-gas prices spike.

"Gas prices continue to rise, creating a hardship for the American people," he said. "At the same time, oil companies are making record profits gouging their customers. This bill would tax only the excess profits and create forward-thinking transportation alternatives."

Specifically, he said the money would be used to fund a tax credit on the purchase of fuel-efficient cars and set up a grant program for mass transit programs when oil-and-gas prices are high.

The bill does not estimate the size of these grants or the amount of money that might be collected through the tax.

Co-sponsoring the bill are five other Democrats: Reps. John Conyers Jr. (Mich.), Bob Filner (Calif.), Marcia Fudge (Ohio), Jim Langevin (R.I.), and Lynn Woolsey (Calif.).


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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 06:36:53 AM »
As much as I hate the idea in principal, the fact that the oil companies wind up with well over 150% profits  make this seem like a good deal, as the people running the oil companies seemingly are unable to regulate themselves to a decent profit, instead wanting to gouge everyone for every damn penny they have.

That being said - IMHO, its not our oil companies here that need to be regulated as much as it is the OPEC nations that are charging us out the ass for oil. In my uneducated opinion this is just something to try to parade to people pissed about high gas prices...

"Look, were trying to bring down energy prices! Doesnt matter that Obama just refused to allow crude to come in from Canada, or that he refused permits to drill in the gulf, or that he's forcing coal refineries to shut down! Were trying by regulating the Oil companies (Only the ones at home though, the ones really fucking us are overseas and we cant do a damn thing about them)"  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 06:43:36 AM »
tough call here.

if US oil companies are making the greatest profits in the history of humanity - yet the US govt is 2-3 years away from bankruptcy - then maybe the tax code and subsidy structure needs looked at ;)

Besides, if you support 1% tax on the oil companies, or a 1% subsudy for them - then ALREADY you support govt interfering with capitalism.  So now we're just trying to find what number you consider acceptable. 


It's like a girl agreeing she would screw some homeless dude for a million dollars.  Then, when asked if she's screw him for $10, she says "No, what kind of girl do you think I am?"  Honey, we've already determined that.  Now we're just trying to negotiate the price.  If you agree the oil companies deserve ANY subsidy or tax break, of if you feel ANY company should pay ANY taxes - then already you support the govt interfering, and you are now a pure capitalist.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 06:59:35 AM »
tough call here.

if US oil companies are making the greatest profits in the history of humanity - yet the US govt is 2-3 years away from bankruptcy - then maybe the tax code and subsidy structure needs looked at ;)

Besides, if you support 1% tax on the oil companies, or a 1% subsudy for them - then ALREADY you support govt interfering with capitalism.  So now we're just trying to find what number you consider acceptable. 


It's like a girl agreeing she would screw some homeless dude for a million dollars.  Then, when asked if she's screw him for $10, she says "No, what kind of girl do you think I am?"  Honey, we've already determined that.  Now we're just trying to negotiate the price.  If you agree the oil companies deserve ANY subsidy or tax break, of if you feel ANY company should pay ANY taxes - then already you support the govt interfering, and you are now a pure capitalist.
Agree on everything but the girl.
Everyone has a price. If someone offered a mil to fuck my wife once, your damn right she's getting his dick. 1000? No way.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 07:08:44 AM »
Agree on everything but the girl.
Everyone has a price. If someone offered a mil to fuck my wife once, your damn right she's getting his dick. 1000? No way.

agreed - but you could and would never stand up and say "I'm a marriage purist and would never allow an open marriage".

The people who say "i fully support capitalism" then are okay with all sorts of govt intervention - then get all mad when people want to slow down oil profits?

No, they support a system of part capitalism, part govt intervention.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 07:11:13 AM »
This idea is pure nonsense.   It's govt at it's tyrannical worst. 

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 07:12:47 AM »
This idea is pure nonsense.   It's govt at it's tyrannical worst. 

but you, 33, support SOME govt involvement in taxation and subsidies, right? 

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 07:21:30 AM »
Right on cue, here's the Ron Paul fan to advocate for more central planning. There is no fucking way that you're a RP supporter as he would NEVER be in favor of giving the government the ability to dictate profits for a company.

Last time this country went after "windfall profits" we got the gas lines of the Jimmuh years.

Fuck you.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 07:25:44 AM »
Right on cue, here's the Ron Paul fan to advocate for more central planning. There is no fucking way that you're a RP supporter as he would NEVER be in favor of giving the government the ability to dictate profits for a company.

Last time this country went after "windfall profits" we got the gas lines of the Jimmuh years.

Fuck you.

maybe there is a way though - for example, you DONT go after their money with greater taxes, but you DO end the subsidies they receive.  In other words, you don't punish them for doing well by taking more of their profits in taxes - but at the same time, you don't let them slide by giving them the free passes.

The US oil industry gets 5 bil a year in subsidies. 
The US oil indistry pays 5.7 bil a year in fed income tax.

Since total industry profits are 30 bil a year... I don't see how leaving the taxes alone, but killing the sibsidies, would be a bad thing.  Even the evil obama only wants to cut their subsidies by 2 bil a year, leaving 3 bil a year in handouts.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 07:30:55 AM »
I stopped reading after it became apparent you're trying to back-track. You didn't advocate ending the subsidies; you came out in favor of straight-up Soviet central planning. You are definitely no Ron Paul supporter as anyone who agrees with his economic viewpoints would never even entertain the idea of giving bureaucrats the ability to dictate a company's profits.

People like you are very dangerous to the future of this republic.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2012, 07:32:16 AM »
I stopped reading after it became apparent you're trying to back-track. You didn't advocate ending the subsidies; you came out in favor of straight-up Soviet central planning. You are definitely no Ron Paul supporter as anyone who agrees with his economic viewpoints would never even entertain the idea of giving bureaucrats the ability to dictate a company's profits.

People like you are very dangerous to the future of this republic.
I like the ending "handouts to them" idea though.
If theyre making record profits, no reason to hand them tax payer money when theyre already raking in the cash..

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 07:34:08 AM »
if you don't want to increase the taxes, that's fine.  at the very least, freeze tax hikes.  at the best, start lowering them to spurn new business.

But subsidies?  I mean, these make no sense ot me.  You have an industry making 30 BIL in profits each year - and you STILL give them 5 bil in subsidies each year?

I mean, if there's any industry that doesn't need the hookup, it's the one making the greatest profits in the history of human business.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2012, 07:41:15 AM »
I like the ending "handouts to them" idea though.
If theyre making record profits, no reason to hand them tax payer money when theyre already raking in the cash..

I'd end the subsidies to them, the green energy scams and everyone else. If something is worthwhile, private money will find its way there.

But 240 wasn't advocating that. He is now but he wasn't a few posts up.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 07:46:16 AM »
i've relaly woken up a lot these last few months to the need to reduce taxes to us corporations - but ONLY to the companies willing to keep the jobs HERE.

I think it was santorum's plan, which he details last night, that sounded very good.  APple employs 550k people, but 500k of them are in china..  bad. 

so yeah, i'm for raising the taxes IF they get to keep their 5 bil in subsidies.
or lower taxes, if you take away their 5 bil subsidies.  either either.  you say tomato, i say tomato.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 07:59:24 AM »
Is what Apple makes reasonable? How about Google? Intel? GM? Ford?

What about the Airlines? Visa? Mastercard? Goldman Sacks?

This is the dumbest thing ever. And seeing as this is coming out of D.C., that's saying something.

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 08:03:28 AM »
the idea is that apple would receive a ton of reduced tarrifs and tax breaks to bring the work here.

SUPPOSE the bush tax cuts back in 2001/2 would have ONLY applied to business INSIDE america's borders.


Would all these firms have outsourced?  What would american business/mnfg look like today?  what investments to domestic infrastructure would we have made?  WE're building infra in china, not here. 

i like this idea from santy.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 08:22:07 AM »
More profits for oil companies = more reinvestment into oil production = lower prices in the future

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 08:25:20 AM »
More profits for oil companies = more reinvestment into oil production = lower prices in the future

but haven't the US firms enjoyed record profits for a decade now?  even as prices soared to $4?

what the heck are they waiting for?  lol   are they going to 'start' reinvesting next year?

i mean, if subsidies of $5 BILLION aren't enough incentive, what is?

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2012, 08:30:01 AM »
but haven't the US firms enjoyed record profits for a decade now?  even as prices soared to $4?

what the heck are they waiting for?  lol   are they going to 'start' reinvesting next year?

i mean, if subsidies of $5 BILLION aren't enough incentive, what is?

World oil production has been increasing. It's just that demand-growth has been outpacing supply-growth. If the US opened up its own domestic energy production, I bet you we'd see falling oil prices pretty soon.

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2012, 08:33:40 AM »
howard, i dont think the US will open up production.

obama won't, sure, because he's a liberal wussy, owned by greepeace, etc.

but what bout Bush?  what about Bush1 and reagan?   why didn't W do it?

I'm pretty sure president Mitt will also make up a reason to let the mid-east keep on ruling the roost when it comes to oil. 

Cause bush did whatever the hell bush wanted, you know that... 'i dont care if only me and my dog barnie want this war, we're keeping this war..."

if he wanted domestic drilling, he woudl have had it.  IMO, it's just one of those things repubs always yell about but don't really want.

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2012, 08:39:31 AM »
W didn't do it because he wanted higher gas prices. Anyone remember early 2000s? W increased purchase of petroleum by the SPR because he believed that oil prices were too low. People forget that W was a Big Government RINO.

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2012, 09:46:22 AM »
Crazy.  I hate oil companies almost as much as I hate tobacco companies, but government should not be controlling profits. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2012, 09:49:27 AM »
Crazy.  I hate oil companies almost as much as I hate tobacco companies, but government should not be controlling profits. 

I dont hate oil companies at all. 

They provide me a product and service I can't provide on my own at a decent price that saves me time and effort. 

Its the disgusting govt I hate who bans drilling, inflates the dollar, adds onerous regulation and blens to the mix etc. 

I love exxon/mobile as compared to the thugocracy we have in DC. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 10:01:12 AM »
I dont hate oil companies at all. 

They provide me a product and service I can't provide on my own at a decent price that saves me time and effort. 

Its the disgusting govt I hate who bans drilling, inflates the dollar, adds onerous regulation and blens to the mix etc. 

I love exxon/mobile as compared to the thugocracy we have in DC. 
Yeah, but the Oil companies are up there. They whole "reasonable price" is BS when theyre making profits in excess of 150%. But when there is no competition, you can charge whatever the hell you want I guess.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2012, 10:03:40 AM »
Yeah, but the Oil companies are up there. They whole "reasonable price" is BS when theyre making profits in excess of 150%. But when there is no competition, you can charge whatever the hell you want I guess.

And why is there no competition?  Its the govt!   The govt makes more per gallon of gasoline on taxes than does the company that actually has its capital and business at risk! ! !