Brady Stomps Tebow

[MCWAY]

Peyton Manning had no mentors.

I think QB coaches and what not, know what it takes... they have been in football for a long, long time.

Manning is a rare breed (at least, Peyton is; Eli needed some help).

QB coaches thought Steve Young was horrible, before he got to San Fran and had Montana and Walsh to guide him. Then, there's Alex Smith, who got benched for Troy Smith last season in San Fran, as well.

Nobody expected him to have the year he's having. But, Smith had a coach like Harbaraugh to help him out and believe in him, when everyone else thought he was a bust.

If Smith can improve, then so can Tebow.

[tu_holmes]

Manning is a rare freed (at least, Peyton is; Eli needed some help).

QB coaches thought Steve Young was horrible, before he got to San Fran and had Montana and Walsh to guide him. Then, there's Alex Smith, who got benched for Troy Smith last season in San Fran, as well.

Nobody expected him to have the year he's having. But, Smith had a coach like Harbaraugh to help him out and believe in him, when everyone else thought he was a bust.

If Smith can improve, then so can Tebow.

I do not believe Smith had the release issues Tebow has... Smith's issues were perpetually mental in that he was being rushed and made poor decisions... Time and being in scenarios and learning by experience what to do certainly do play a factor.

If next year Tebow goes gang busts and proves everyone, including myself, wrong, then I will certainly give him his due.

As is, yes, he's won the AFC west as a starter in his 2nd year... That certainly is nothing to take away from him.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Mark Sanchez took the Jets to the playoffs two years in a row. One or two more seasons like he had this year and he'll be lucky to get a back up QB job. And Sanchez is light years ahead of Tebow when it comes to the passing game

[MCWAY]

Mark Sanchez took the Jets to the playoffs two years in a row. One or two more seasons like he had this year and he'll be lucky to get a back up QB job. And Sanchez is light years ahead of Tebow when it comes to the passing game

Sanchez was the full time starter both years. Tebow only started the last three games of 2010 (with Denver at 3-11) and 11 games of 2011 (digging the Broncos out of a 1-4 hole, finishing 7-4 and winning the division).

Sanchez needs some work as well. He has been getting grilled almost as much as Tebow, throwing picks like crazy (including a pick-six against Denver that tied the game and helped set the stage for Tebow's 95-yard TD drive to beat the Jets). He threw 3 INTs in that loss to Miami, two of them to a defensive lineman.

[MCWAY]

I do not believe Smith had the release issues Tebow has... Smith's issues were perpetually mental in that he was being rushed and made poor decisions... Time and being in scenarios and learning by experience what to do certainly do play a factor.

If next year Tebow goes gang busts and proves everyone, including myself, wrong, then I will certainly give him his due.

As is, yes, he's won the AFC west as a starter in his 2nd year... That certainly is nothing to take away from him.

Tebow doesn't have to go gang-busters to be an effective QB. He needs to read routes better and anticipate the throws better.

What took me aback about the Broncos' six-game win streak is how on Earth, so late in the game, Denver's receivers were WIDE OPEN for big plays and scores. Look at the last two drives of regulation against Chicago; the late drive against Minnesota; and the 95-yard TD drive against the Jets.

[King Shizzo]

I don't know why everyone is raving about Alex Smith this year.  The only thing he is doing differently, is keeping his turnovers down.  His numbers suck for a full-time starting quarterback.

[blacken700]

His run isn't done yet. He's in the post-season. And what's been plaguing Tebow is turnovers. You will LOSE, turning over the football; I don't care who your quarterback is.

Of course, Tebow has weaknesses. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But those weaknesses can be fixed. Young had them; Roethlesberger had them; Rodgers had them. But, with time, good coaching, and better weapons, those quarterbacks became among the greats of the game.

To write off a guy, who's only been in the league two years and has played all of 14 games, is patently ABSURD (especially given that this same fellow took a 1-4 team to the playoffs). Brady, Rodgers, and Young all had legendary/HOF QB and great QB coaches to develop them.

Does Tebow have that, at the moment? NO!! Brady Quinn and Kyle Orton have been his mentors to date.


And your NFL QB credentials would be.......

That's what I thought!!

"No sense" pretty much describes you and the tripe you've been spewing, ducking questions and key points, making yourself look silly (or sillier).

  what question have i ducked .hahaha and key points, you haven't made any.you were wrong about cain and your wrong about tebow,2 for 2 

[MCWAY]

 what question have i ducked .hahaha and key points, you haven't made any.you were wrong about cain and your wrong about tebow,2 for 2  

Just these (and this is hardly exhaustive):

How did Young go from being a scrub to a champion and HOF player?

How did Alex Smith go from being a near-first-round BUST, to the QB he is today (NFC West Champion) with a legitimate shot of going to the Super Bowl (especially with the one defense that stop either Green Bay or New Orleans COLD)?

How did Kurt Warner go from bagging groceries and playing Arena Ball, to going to THREE SUPERBOWLS (winning one and making MVP)?


Tebow took over a 1-4 team and LEAD THEM TO THE PLAYOFFS.

Your cracked musings don't change that fact, which might explain why you're dragging Herman Cain into this discussion when this has nothing to do with politics.

The key points, that you continue to duck (O blind one, is that Tebow is in his second year, has YET to play a full season of football, and does NOT have the luxury of having a HOF QB (i.e. Favre, Montana) under which to study.

Tebow has flaws but they aren't flaws that can't be fixed, just as Young had to fix his flaws (as he SUCKED royally in Tampa Bay).

[blacken700]

you seem not to understand that young, warner were never in the 40% completion average like your man tebow.i mentioned cain because it shows you don't like to admit your wrong.to even compare young to tebow shows you don't even have a clue tebow time has come and gone and mcway missed the train

[MCWAY]

you seem not to understand that young, warner were never in the 40% completion average like your man tebow.i mentioned cain because it shows you don't like to admit your wrong.to even compare young to tebow shows you don't even have a clue tebow time has come and gone and mcway missed the train

You seem not to understand that both of them SUCKED (regardless of their completion percentages) early in their careers. And, apparently Warner's completion percentage was SO IMPRESSIVE, that he got sent packing to a store in Iowa to bag groceries.  

Take a look at Josh Freeman of the Bucs . He had 63% completion of his passes this season. He had 61% completion last year.

How well did he do this year? How well did he do last year? When you get a clue and can answer these (since you're too chicken to answer the other question), business will pick up.


Nobody cares about your completion percentage if you're throwing picks and LOSING. The most important stats are TDs and INTERCEPTIONS.

Tebow's stats this year, after 11 games, are: 12 TDs, 6 INT (4 of which came in one game). 1729 yards overall (on a team that's run-oriented). 7-4 as started, on a team that started 1-4.

End result: AFC WEST Champions.

Once again, in typical cowardly Blacken fashion, you ducked the questions put directly to you (Among those were, How did Young go from being a scrub to a champion and HOF player?). Bringing up politicians in a football discussion shows you are utterly bereft of any sense.

[blacken700]

i said it already young could make the nfl passes tebow can't, period .tebow can't throw in the small windows that it takes to be in the nfl.do you know what that means.from h.s the window is pretty big,you get in college the window gets smaller and in the nfl it gets smaller again,that why only a handful of these college quarterbacks make it in the nfl.they're not accurate enough for the next level and neather is tebow.you can only teach accuracy so far,you have it or you don't.that's what you can't get though your thick skull,oh and you can't pray for it either:D

[MCWAY]

i said it already young could make the nfl passes tebow can't, period .tebow can't throw in the small windows that it takes to be in the nfl.do you know what that means.from h.s the window is pretty big,you get in college the window gets smaller and in the nfl it gets smaller again,that why only a handful of these college quarterbacks make it in the nfl.they're not accurate enough for the next level and neather is tebow.you can only teach accuracy so far,you have it or you don't.that's what you can't get though your thick skull,oh and you can't pray for it either:D

Accuracy can be taught. And Young learned how to be a better QB, while in San Francisco. He SUCKED in Tampa Bay. At the end of the day, it comes down to yards, TD and INTs. Josh Freeman is a prime example. He had a higher percentage this year than last year.

GUESS WHAT. He's thrown only 16 TDs and 22 INTs. In 2010, Freeman hit 25 TDs and a mere 6 INTs. And the record speaks for itself. 2010: 10-6; 2011: 4-12.

So, O non-spelling one, the job of a QB is to make the play when needed to get your team in the endzone and win games. Tebow's accuracy can be improved, by:

a) Working on his mechanics and giving him more coaching
b) Getting better receivers around him (Tebow's has loads of passes DROPPED, when he hit his receivers on the money).

That's what you do with a young QB, (i.e. a QB that's been in the league only 2 years and hasn't played a full season, such as Tebow).

IT worked with Alex Smith, who was garbage and a heartbeat away from joining the likes of Leaf, Russell, and Shuler as first-round BUSTS.

What you can't get through YOUR skull is that Tebow got his team to the playoffs, by making those throws in critical moments in the game (ask the Bears, Raiders, Vikings, Chargers, and Jets).

To make it in the NFL, you need to WIN GAMES and get your team in the POST-SEASON. Guess who has done that so far......TEBOW.

[blacken700]

Accuracy can be taught. And Young learned how to be a better QB, while in San Francisco. He SUCKED in Tampa Bay. At the end of the day, it comes down to yards, TD and INTs. Josh Freeman is a prime example. He had a higher percentage this year than last year.

GUESS WHAT. He's thrown only 16 TDs and 22 INTs. In 2010, Freeman hit 25 TDs and a mere 6 INTs. And the record speaks for itself. 2010: 10-6; 2011: 4-12.

So, O non-spelling one, the job of a QB is to make the play when needed to get your team in the endzone and win games. Tebow's accuracy can be improved, by:

a) Working on his mechanics and giving him more coaching
b) Getting better receivers around him (Tebow's has loads of passes DROPPED, when he hit his receivers on the money).

That's what you do with a young QB, (i.e. a QB that's been in the league only 2 years and hasn't played a full season, such as Tebow).

What you can't get through YOUR skull is that Tebow got his team to the playoffs, by making those throws in critical moments in the game (ask the Bears, Raiders, Vikings, Chargers, and Jets).

To make it in the NFL, you need to WIN GAMES and get your team in the POST-SEASON. Guess who has done that so far......TEBOW.

hahaha this whole post shows you don't havee a clue.just do what you usually do,put on your game jersey ,paint your face and watch your team on sunday.oh and get on one knee and tebow with tebow

[240 is Back]

mark schlerth broke it down really well today about tebow.

he throws well on broken plays where a guy is standing in front of him waving his arm.  he has never thrown on time to hit a man on a route in stride, and maybe never will. 

he will be great in wildcat - but he's gotta learn to throw (accurate and fast) in order to last 2 more seasons. 

Methinks Elways gets a flynn or drafts a QB (for competitions sake).

[tbombz]

mark schlerth broke it down really well today about tebow.

he throws well on broken plays where a guy is standing in front of him waving his arm.  he has never thrown on time to hit a man on a route in stride, and maybe never will. 

he will be great in wildcat - but he's gotta learn to throw (accurate and fast) in order to last 2 more seasons. 

Methinks Elways gets a flynn or drafts a QB (for competitions sake).

LMAO. have you watched a broncos game this season?

Tebow is extremely talented, good on the move, out of the pocket, in the pocket, quick thinker, avoids sacks, gets rid of the ball when he needs to, finds open recievers, etc etc. 

[MB]

Tebow is an effective runner and should convert to fullback.  LOL at an NFL quarterback who needs to learn how to throw the ball.  He will never learn because he doesn't have the natural ability; similar to the 350 lb guy playing left tackle.    

[tbombz]

OMG tebow doesnt have the textbook throwing form!! it takes him a whole extra half second to get the ball off!! hes never going to be able to win a game !!!!

[MB]

OMG tebow doesnt have the textbook throwing form!! it takes him a whole extra half second to get the ball off!! hes never going to be able to win a game !!!!

Throwing motion is not his real problem, it's his lack of arm strength, accuracy and timing.  Philip Rivers has an odd throwing motion, but he gets it where it's suppose to be on time.  Tebow doesn't.   

[tbombz]

he passes well enough

and when you can pass that well, it opens up the run game

^ new mike vick

[MCWAY]

hahaha this whole post shows you don't havee a clue.just do what you usually do,put on your game jersey ,paint your face and watch your team on sunday.oh and get on one knee and tebow with tebow

The usual foolish, cluck-and-duck, blubbering we've come to expect from Blacken. Ask him a direct question that shoots his premise to pieces.....he makes stupid statements loaded with smiley faces.

You should get on one knee and pray that you learn how to write a sentence or spell properly.

[blacken700]

The usual foolish, cluck-and-duck, blubbering we've come to expect from Blacken. Ask him a direct question that shoots his premise to pieces.....he makes stupid statements loaded with smiley faces.

You should get on one knee and pray that you learn how to write a sentence or spell properly.

whats funny is you know nothing about the quarterback position,anybody who reads the shit you wrote knows you are clueless on the subject