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Either there is legit evidence of him not being born here or there is not.  So far, none of the arguments for him not being born here have panned out.  Simple as that.  I have given everyone of the arguments an unbiased initial look.  After further review and research, none of them have been proven significant enough to warrant me changing my position and if you took the time to follow the arguments in detail on some of the threads you would see lunacy of the birther position.   Essentially cherry picking info, making your mind up first then only paying attention to info that is deemed supported of the initial belief.  Basically a ridiculous way of finding the truth.  That in its self deserves ridicule and i make no apologies for it.  

As for whether or not something "stinks", no i don't think so because if something actually stunk, the SHIT would have been found by now. (not to say i don't think it should be ignored)   What you do have is IDIOTS like the cold case posse and ignorant morons who see it as gospel.  

Where do you get im a birther?
Im talking about the documents being falsified, no where does that have anything to do with where he was born.
I want to know why some of the documents are questionable, I dont really give a fuck about where he was born.
And no, its not "either theres evidence or not", cause thats completely discounting other reasons that documents may have been forged that have nothing to do with where he was born, its not just a complete dismissive case cause the documents themselves dont provide evidence he wasnt born here, its a completely different case.

Thats my stance. I dont think he was born in Kenya, but if those documents are suspect than there is a reason for that, and I want to know why.

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Where did you get I was calling you a Birther?

And what evidence is there that documents have been falsified?

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Where did you get I was calling you a Birther?

And what evidence is there that documents have been falsified?

I think the fact that the records could not be found, the document having a weird 2 digit date stamp, and not really matching anything else is enough evidence for an investigation.
I dont get why you simply want to dismiss everything because it has no proof he was born elsewhere, what of the other concerns of possible false documents that has nothing to do with a foreign birth?
You act like no one should care that the docs may be suspect because it doesnt prove he was born in Kenya or whatever.

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I think the fact that the records could not be found, the document having a weird 2 digit date stamp, and not really matching anything else is enough evidence for an investigation.

the 2 digit postal stamp would be weird IF......  there was no policy by the post office to allow 2 digit year stamps and or the USPO wasn't there.  Additionally, we are talking about finding documents that are 32 years old and we  will never have the thousands upon thousands of mail in 1980 from Hawaii that 99.99999% likely no longer exists along with the manual postal stamps.  Investigation over at this point until something better comes along.

I dont get why you simply want to dismiss everything because it has no proof he was born elsewhere, what of the other concerns of possible false documents that has nothing to do with a foreign birth?

Incorrect.  I am not dismissing everything simply because there is no proof he was born elsewhere (that's flawed logic).  I am dismissing he was born elsewhere because there IS proof he was born here. 

You act like no one should care that the docs may be suspect because it doesnt prove he was born in Kenya or whatever.

That's not my intention to give you that impression.  I think people should care.  They just shouldn't stupid about it which is what 99% of Birthers are.  The "other" docs and the CCP's case has been refuted soundly and based on the long list of unanswered question about their "investigation" makes them object of ridicule and points to the whole thing being more like a book publicity scam.   

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Obama Preps for a ‘Non-Emergency’ Named Iran
http://noisyroom.net/blog ^ | 3.18.12 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Posted on March 19, 2012 9:40:15 PM EDT by Whenifhow

On Friday, the 16th, Obama signed a new Executive Order into being and this one’s timing is very curious. Ed Morrissey (whom I highly respect) of Hot Air says that it is simply a reissue of an EO that is 18 years old, that was issued in 1994 by Bill Clinton – EO (12919). I find myself mostly in agreement with Morrissey. The EO is vague and far-reaching. Basically Morrissey points out that it simply adds the DHS to the mix of departments and is apparently just an update.

From Hot Air: In fact, that’s almost entirely what it is. The original EO dealing with national defense resources preparedness was issued in 1939 (EO 8248) according to the National Archives. It has been superseded a number of times, starting in 1951 by nearly every President through Bill Clinton, and amended twice by George W. Bush.

I find the following to be of significant relevance:

Obama has added to Section 201(b) the phrase “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.” In 12919, though, the duties of the Cabinet Secretaries were not limited to emergency situations in Section 201(b), either. And in both EOs, section 102 specifically notes that the EO is intended to ensure defense preparedness “in peacetime and in times of national emergency.”

So, is this a signal that Obama could use his powers during a ‘non-emergency?’ I would certainly not put it past him.

Take an in-depth look at it though, because it is a significant threat to our constitutional rights. It could open the way for ‘soft martial law.’ From Examiner.com:

On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.

The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order’s functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.

And:

Additionally, each cabinet under the Executive Branch has been given specific powers when the order is executed, and include the absolute control over food, water, and other resource distributions.

That gives the President sweeping powers and should raise the alarm level in all Americans – those with a survival instinct any way.

When I first saw the Executive Order, it gave me great pause. In fact, my blood ran cold and I assumed that I was hearing that he was getting ready to declare martial law. I’m all for conspiracies, but let’s pick the right one. Not a feint to the right, when they are really dodging to the left (far left that is).

Ask yourself, why was this issued now and why this Executive Order? Three and a half years into Obama’s presidency… Nothing is what it seems in this administration, so let’s noodle on this shall we?

If you were a Progressive Marxist who was desperate to retain your hold on power in the Presidency and your numbers were dropping like a ten ton stone, what would you do? Ah, now we start looking for the real motivations here. If he follows history and the actions of past leaders, he would go to war if all else failed. Enter Iran. See the graphic below from STRATFOR:

Click here for a larger image… http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/naval.jpg

Very, very interesting. This is STRATFOR’s Naval Update Map from March 14th, 2012. (http://www.stratfor.com/image/us-naval-update-map-march-14-2012) If you were a gambler, you would call this a strategic ‘tell.’ Watch the other hand. Observations from a friend on another forum:

There are now 5 US and French carriers postured for war with Iran. If the French have a helicopter carrier in the area…that would make 6.

Desert Storm naval power was launched from the decks of 4 US carriers. Four nuclear powered large carriers are present in the mix at this time. Plus “helicopter carriers” that carry full complements of Marines and enough jets for limited strikes or general fleet defense.

http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/dstorm/sword-shield.htm

Everyone (US and Anglo/Euro/Arab Allies) is moving Subs, Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers, Mine Warfare Ships, and Mine Hunting Air assets into the region.

The Israeli Navy passed two of their 13 large surface combatants south through the Suez Canal this week, apparently escorting a French Fleet Resupply Vessel (1 of 4 the French possess). The Israeli ships included one of their three largest corvettes and an accompanying medium missile boat, making a movement into the Red Sea not seen since 2009, when they sent a pair of much smaller (and less capable) vessels through the Canal.

Purposes? Well, if a French supply vessel were carrying critically anticipated wartime replenishment for the nuclear powered French Carrier Charles DeGaulle…someone might think that ship required escort during a time of imminent hostilities. And if every other Allied escort vessel were already east of the Suez, somebody asked the Israelis for their help. Which might indicate a little more prior coordination between Israel and the US than is being admitted in public.

Of course, the Israelis may be moving the vessels to protect their Red Sea base at Eilat, but why would they need to…unless they anticipate fireworks? The Israeli vessels are primarily equipped as SAM and SSM mission craft. Plus the usual mix of ASW, EW, guns, torpedos, CIWS. Could be useful if you were going to tee off on Palestinian forces in the Sinai and anticipated the Egyptians disputing the action…

Of course if you had passed a Dolphin submarine or two through the Canal as part of that surface movement, you’d have your national nuclear deterrent / precision strike capability a lot closer to Iran and protected in waters dominated by the worlds largest friendly naval armada…wouldn’t you? In which case, the “escort” of the French vessel was merely cover for action…to actually escort Israeli strike capability to a better postured location.

Meanwhile, US naval activity with the remainder of our carriers is…busy. There is a high level of readiness, with several amphibious carriers currently visiting the Pacific or out to sea in the Atlantic accompanying 2 more super carriers actively conducting workups…as opposed to being tied up in port. Announced Exercises and training qualifications are happening at a busy pace…and have been for the last month or so. If war comes, this country is postured to put 7-8 nuclear carriers against the problem. That’s a fairly high rate of readiness during more normal times.

In other words, US carrier availability is at about the highest potential level of availability as is possible. Everything that can sail is postured to do so or already off our coasts. No accident.

Meanwhile, the US continues to apply pressure to Iran’s economic carotid artery...

Everything fits together if you look at it right. Syria, Israel, Iran, the US… Obama is not incompetent, he does everything for a reason. He’s getting ready to dance in the Middle East, but he’s not doing it for our friend and ally Israel. No, he’s in reelection mode and he wants a whole bevy of issues swept under the carpet and a war is the perfect distraction. I don’t think he has any intention of ‘winning’ it – this is just so he can finish what he started in the US – ‘change’ the Marxist way that is.

I believe that World War III has already begun. This war will not just be Iran and the US – it will be a World War with allies on both sides of the aisle. Guess which side Russia, China, Venezuela and N. Korea will be on? This could well be not only a cyber war, but a nuclear war. Do not fool yourself into thinking that we will be safe from the war because we have an ocean between ‘us’ and ‘them.’ That is no longer true.

So why issue an EO that was already out there, merely updated with new agencies and the inclusion of non-emergency situations? My take, he’s getting everything organized for a non-emergency named Iran. With the chaos of the American Spring coming, Depression economics in place with high unemployment, inflation and an eminent stock market crash, the timing will be perfect this fall to go to war and bring the top down on America. But don’t worry, they’ll at least call it an emergency… You know just so they can finally be rid of that old, dusty document called the Constitution.

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From Atlas Shrugs: (the Executive Order)

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Why Obama’s Latest Executive Order is Scary
scottfactor.com ^ | 03/20/2012 | Gina Miller



This past Friday afternoon brought a new executive order from the White House. It was titled, “National Defense Resources Preparedness.” This order sent the blogosphere and conservative news followers into a terrified frenzy. I even sent out an e-mail to many on my blast list with a link to the order on the White House website, because it is an alarming thing in light of the current communist administration in Washington.

Many people are convinced that this means Barack Obama (or whatever his name is) is setting up a situation to declare peacetime martial law in America. In fact, one of the first columns to appear in the wake of Obama’s signing of the order was on Canada Free Press. Its title was, “Obama Executive Order: Peacetime Martial Law!”

I read the executive order, and the term “martial law” was not included in it. However, the order was very disturbing, but we have to look back in our history to see that this executive order is not a new one. It has almost identical wording to an executive order signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, but Obama’s order revokes President Clinton’s order in its entirety.

As WND’s Drew Zahn reported, President Eisenhower created the first version of this kind of executive order in 1958, and the previous version after President Clinton’s was by President George W. Bush in 2003, but President Bush’s order was mainly concerned with replacing terminology and names of departments that had been revised and created, and delegating authority to the Department of Homeland Security, which had previously not existed.

Obama’s and President Clinton’s executive orders claim to derive their power from the Cold War era Defense Production Act of 1950. I tried to find an online copy of the text of the original Act as signed in 1950, but with my limited searching, I only found an incomplete one. The Act has been amended numerous times since 1950, no doubt increasing its power each time.

Obama’s order gives the executive branch of our government, with all its agencies and secretaries, powers to commandeer most major areas of the private sector for the nebulously defined purposes of “national defense,” even during peacetime. This includes power over all forms of energy, energy use, control and distribution; all water sources in the United States; all food sources, which includes production facilities, factories, farms and farm equipment; health resources, which includes all aspects of the health care industry from drugs to diagnostic equipment to medical facilities; and civil transportation, which includes control over all movement of people and forms of transportation in the United States, and all storage and repair facilites.

WND’s Drew Zahn, in his piece from Sunday, provided a balanced look at this executive order. He noted the fear of many who saw this as a massive power grab by the Obama administration, but he went on to show that this order is basically just a revision of President Clinton’s order from 1994 to update changes in government agency structure, and he quoted from an article by Ed Morrissey from HotAir.com.

At Hot Air, Mr. Morrissey concluded his piece by saying,

“Indeed — but all of that was equally true before Obama issued an update to a 73-year-old effort that changed nothing about his executive authority and power. To the extent that we’re all more aware of it, that’s good, but we shouldn’t act as though this was an Obama novelty, and we really shouldn’t jump to conspiracy-think conclusions without understanding the history of these EOs.”

That would be all well and good, if we were dealing with a run-of-the-mill Democrat or Republican in the White House, but we’re not. Here is the distinction: Barack Obama is the most lawless president in American history. There have been bad presidents, and most of them have acted extra-constitutionally when you consider the strict limits on the executive branch, and the federal government as a whole, and how most presidents have overreached those limits. But, we have never seen such blatant disregard for the limits on the authority of the executive branch as we have seen under this mystery man, Obama. We have never seen a president spit on the authority of the co-equal branches of the federal government as we have seen under Obama. We have never seen such disdain for the United States Constitution and the rights and freedoms of the American people as we have seen under Obama.

That is what makes this latest executive order incarnation more alarming to many Americans. Today we have situations we did not have under Presidents Clinton and Bush. One difference is that there was no violent, moronic Occupy movement during their terms. The Occupy movement represents Obama’s army of useful, street idiots. It is precisely those kinds of people rioting in the streets that can easily be imagined to “cause” a situation in which the federal government under Obama decides to take a martial law-type action against the American people.

While we must keep a level perspective on the fact that this type of executive order has existed at least since the 1990s, it is still unnerving to see it being given a dusting-off update under the communist regime in Washington at this particular time.

The fact is that the United States Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is dead, and it desperately needs to be resurrected and enforced. The federal government long ago broke loose from the very limited scope of its power and authority. Long ago, the federal government trampled into the realm of the authority of the several states and the people. The major source of authority in the United States was originally intended to be reserved for the people and the states, not the federal government, whose powers were meant to be few and limited.

Ms. Publius Huldah, a retired litigation attorney in Tennessee, wrote an excellent, must-read piece titled, “Model Nullification Resolutions for State Legislatures” in which she outlines a superb set of declarations for putting the federal government back in its proper place, if only the states would have the will to do so.

She opens the proposal,

“Resolved, That the States composing the United States of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to the federal government; but that, with the Constitution for the United States, they established a federal government for limited purposes only. That they delegated to this federal government only limited and enumerated powers; and reserved, each State to itself, all remaining powers, along with the right to their own self-government.


That whenever the federal government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”

She notes that the State Constitution of Tennessee,

"… acknowledges the Principle that the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

Indeed, the very beginning of the United States of America was most certainly one of extreme resistance to the arbitrary power and oppression by King George III of England, and our forefathers with a fierce and bloody revolution threw off those shackles. Now, less than 240 years later, we have abandoned the precious founding documents that our forefathers fought so hard to bring to life.

Beginning in earnest in the early part of the 20th century, it has been a long, gradual and steady chipping away of the rights of the states and the people by the federal government that has led us to the point where we now see an administration poised to seize absolute power over the states and the people of America. It has become clear that the Congress and the Courts have no will to stand up to the tyrant Obama and his henchmen in the various agencies and czarships of the executive branch. That leaves the last bastions against the current federally tyranny being the states themselves and then the people.

One major problem with the states standing against the federal government, is that in too many cases, the federal government holds money strings over the states. Countless millions and billions of federal taxpayer dollars are given to the states for various purposes, and with that money, the federal government has leverage over the states. If you do not cooperate with the will of the federal government, you have the threat of federal funding being denied. Basically, if you take their money, they own you.

We also see that almost every time a state has undertaken to enforce laws that, for instance, protect the integrity of elections, curb the illegal alien invasion, or protect its citizens from the unconstitutional Obamacare legislation, the federal government, through the lawless Obama Justice Department, brings lawsuits against the states, and somehow, the Justice Department manages to find willing accomplices in the federal courts to impose the Obama regime’s will on the states. We are fast approaching a point at which the states will have to either take a firm stand against, or fully give in to, the tyranny of the federal government under Barack Obama.

I also have dreadful thoughts about the upcoming presidential election that I have shared with you before on this broadcast. I can see potential for the greatest case of election fraud in the history of the United States. I can see results-changing, undetectable, voting machine hacks on a grand scale, and I can see any number of ways our newly-outsourced U.S. election results reporting—now in international hands—has serious potential for fraud. And, of course, I can see the foot soldier fraudsters on the ground committing voter fraud till they’re blue in the face—especially since this communist regime under Obama is hell-bent on preventing common-sense voter ID laws from being enacted. In other words, I can see Obama being “reelected” just like Vladimir Putin was “reelected.”

Regardless—and back to the topic of this broadcast—the current executive order signed by Obama on Friday is indeed scary, simply because of who Obama and his friends are. We are dealing with a breed of radical, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-Constitution revolutionaries in our executive branch and throughout the Congress and the Courts, and we most certainly do have cause for alarm at this supposedly innocent “updating” of an already tyrannical, unconstitutional executive order.

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