Stagnation, plateau, receptor downregulate, body adapt

[whitewidow]

AAS is just like any drug you use a dose that works till it stops having the effects and then you up the dose a little bit till you build up another tolerance then up it again but do it slowly. Nobody should start out taking grams of test because you could gain nicely just off of 500mg at first then jump up slowly. I don't get why some of you guys stay on cycle all year unless you are profiting from Bodybuilding or have a chance to go pro wich is very hard to do.

I think alot of guys spend way to much money for no reason, these are guys who could never go pro and don"t even look like they lift much. look at how much ESfitness uses and look at how much a guy 20 years old like vatany uses and I bet my account that vatany is in way better shape then ESfitness who uses twice as much gear and other compounds. You should be realistic about your genetics and how good of a chance you have of going pro or making money off your phsyique before anybody starts using grams of gear.

sometimes I think these guys using grams of gear and HGH/slin are just pissing their money away. It really won't get you any more women. some of the hottest chicks date guys who barely work out. some guys think they will get all buff and get all the ladys that isn't how it works. You might get alot of attention and compliments but that dosn"t mean a girl wants to fuck you,plus your going to get more attention with both sexes guys in shape also start getting men looking at them.

I know alot of guys who are delusional and think if they use a certain amount of gear they will get a hard to achieve physique and they are going to compete and get all the girls and it never happens like that. everybody has to be realistic and have certain goals and alot of these goals can be achieved using minimal doses of AAS. very few have the genetics to go pro it is like any other sport very hard to go pro and the money is shit unless you are a top 5 mr.O competitor. Those are the guys who get the decent paying contracts. So not only is it hard as fuck to go pro ince you turn pro you have to be a top tier pro to get the rewards.

before anybody gets into using AAS really think about what you think your going to get out of it before you spend all the money and risk your health. If you are in it just to throw on some muscle and look good for the summer that is cool but you don"t need to be using grams of gear to do that. If you want to compete that is something you really have to think out well and know your going to have to use alot more gear and have the genetics to place well.

[galeniko]

yes never go entirely off test.

no need for short esters for gymrats.


theres no going off, you do not go off unless you want take break from training, or as long you want more size.


then one must ask themselves the health question soon.

want to die bit or much earlier bc some glycogen suerloading in the muscle.
 
want become a social hermit who only thinks about eating his meals and when to inject what and which countermeasures to take when for the sides?

all important questions.

how mch muscle do i want, and what am i ready to do for it.

stay health and as close to natural as possible is my honest advice.

gear will not overcome bad or sub par genetics.

[ESFitness]

Thanks again!

But that "4-6g" isn't essential to use in "first" few months, years of using gear, right? The good way is starting from lower doses and steady go up with it. Something like 1g in first year, latter add next umpteen MGs and so on...



Yea, tren is nice drug to "bulk" or "cut". But i don't know anyone who can stay on it few months. HDL go down etc., harash drug. It must be any reason why Bodybuilders are using it only few weeks before show.

first year? maybe a gram and a half, two or so.

but I don't believe in ever increasing dosages being needed. just because a guy uses 4 grams this 'cycle', doesn't mean 5 grams is needed next 'cycle'. it's either "on" or "off" (and "off" meaning you're still using test).

on = 4-6 grams (although I know of guys who use 9-12grams.. I know of guys who use 7gs test and 2g primo, and guys who use 10g test plus whatever else they use)

without gh, there's a point where you'll stop growing and only 'refine' (for lack of a better term to describe it) what you have.. you'll stay the same size and only get leaner, grainy-er and harder.

every 'on' period, I use the same dosage. I don't go up each 'cycle'

[spiro]

Build your doses slowly. I'm in my ninth year of this. My highest blast is 650 test 900 deca 250 masteron. I have the look I want with very minimal sides. I ran test alone for five years never going over 750. Then you play with different compounds figure out what your body likes. If you make it a marathon and not a Sprint you can have longevity. Don't even bother with orals or tren if you want to stay healthy.

[local hero]

no such thing as recpetor downgrade, you come off you loose gains, you keep on you keep them, you increase you grow

now you will only ever grow to a certain point, you can try and abuse and see where you go, but common sense on 'normal' doses should tell you where your at... if you dont stand out on gym rat dosage, you wont cut it as a superhuman pro, no matter what you do

now what you will find after a long time in the game, you can keep alot of mass from using very low doses, you would have a hard time building that size on such doses, but you can play with gear after so long, without pushing it and causing major health problems