jose raymond offseason

[Simple Simon]

If you can post a picture of yourself after going off steroids for 2 years, I'll post one up of me currently. 

It's not about me its about you and you constant criticism of others and their life choices
Now either post a picture or shut the fuck up.
Gimmick

[Cutlet767]

It's not about me its about you and you constant criticism of others and their life choices
Now either post a picture or shut the fuck up.
Gimmick

I'm sure you look better enhanced than most people would naturally. Another plastic trophy for you I guess. The question is, where would you be without the drugs. You may find out one day. Who knows. 

[Simple Simon]

I'm sure you look better enhanced than most people would naturally. Another plastic trophy for you I guess. The question is, where would you be without the drugs. You may find out one day. Who knows.

Im convinced you are a gimmick, I have just checked your posting history, a big gap from 2012 to 2014

Your opinion on PJ Brawn has altered as well

PJ Brawn? Biggest cock gobbler in the industry.

PJ wasn't doing too badly before he decided to jump on gear. He's not exactly a genetic failure when it comes to his savvyness and personality, and he's not really compensating with that physique as much as a lot of pros and random desperate 20 something and 30 something year olds on steroid forums looking to "turn their life around" do. He runs a business, and has money. And, he has the mind and social skills to be about more than just his physique. And, he has all the considerations everyone who juices should make that I listed above down to a tee.

Not to talk of the fact that he understood the commitment before going on.

Gear is of course better than natural, but only if you understand the commitment fully and how it affects the people you choose to have around you and the nature of their feelings and perceptions towards you (do they care about anything other than your muscle? Will they look at you the same without it? If not, are you happy to become your physique, not just wear it?) and do not delude yourself that anything other than the drugs is in play. That's the core message I'm trying to get across.

Run along gimmick

[Cutlet767]

Im convinced you are a gimmick, I have just checked your posting history, a big gap from 2012 to 2014

Your opinion on PJ Brawn has altered as well
Run along gimmick

My posts shouldn't get to you so much, if I'm "just a gimmick". Not unless you hate the fact that I'm right.

[Simple Simon]

My posts shouldn't get to you so much, if I'm "just a gimmick". Not unless you hate the fact that I'm right.

They dont get to me, you are now outed, you did it yourself.

What are you right about?
The fact people look better than you because they use steroids and you dont?
Of course thats correct.

I fail to see what point you are trying to make, you are either a bored idiot with fuck all else to do or a failed user whos scared of needles?

Which is it?

[no one]

only on the Internet/GB will you find an expert in something he's never done, and be happy to tell you how to do it.

[Simple Simon]

only on the Internet/GB will you find an expert in something he's never done, and be happy to tell you how to do it.

Hes just a gimmick mate, its obvious.

[Simple Simon]

Seems hes fucked off for a while.

Guys argument seems to be that he can justify spending ludicrous amounts of money on bullshit supplements to look slightly better than natty but he has a problem with someone having a shot of test a week to look ten times better than a natty.
His argument then proceeds to make the assumption that when you stop having that shot a week you look worse then when you started taking the gear.

My point is, so fucking what?
We all look good for a period of time, then we lose it, its called reality.

So you have a choice, its spend thousands of dollars on useless supps and look 5% better, or have a shot a week at around £3 and look 50% better.
You then both stop what you were doing and you both regress back to where you started.

I think thats his point.

[Cutlet767]

They dont get to me, you are now outed, you did it yourself.

What are you right about?
The fact people look better than you because they use steroids and you dont?
Of course thats correct.

I fail to see what point you are trying to make, you are either a bored idiot with fuck all else to do or a failed user whos scared of needles?

Which is it?

Being able to abuse drugs doesn't make you better than anyone. It makes you a drug abuser...  

Like I said, 2 years off those drugs and you would be... nothing. Hell, I'm certain that going clean for as little as 2 months would have an extremely noticeable effect.

Seems hes fucked off for a while.

Guys argument seems to be that he can justify spending ludicrous amounts of money on bullshit supplements to look slightly better than natty but he has a problem with someone having a shot of test a week to look ten times better than a natty.
His argument then proceeds to make the assumption that when you stop having that shot a week you look worse then when you started taking the gear.

My point is, so fucking what?
We all look good for a period of time, then we lose it, its called reality.

So you have a choice, its spend thousands of dollars on useless supps and look 5% better, or have a shot a week at around £3 and look 50% better.
You then both stop what you were doing and you both regress back to where you started.

I think thats his point.

You still think discontinuing creatine is the same thing as discontinuing steroids. That's... tragic.

[disco_stu]

When you come off, you lose everything and then SOME. That's just what happens. It comes off FAST depending on how long it takes for the drugs to clear from your system fully.

Some pro bodybuilders have come off and had a little something left, but generally they all look like shit off compared to even natural guys. Usually because they don't have the natural androgen levels (Testosterone to Estrogen) to promote and maintain substantial lean mass to fat ratio. Looking at the science behind it, you can understand why it's not possible to look good off the drugs no matter if you "keep training" with a "good diet". Stupid talk on steroid boards giving kids false hope.

These guys are abusing shit. DHT derivatives etc. They all cause epic shut down (Masteron, Tren, EQ, Winny all DHT derivatives shut you down badly. Yeah you still function with the Test base, but when they all come out, you are shut down to hell). The fat stores intra-muscularly mostly when you come off gear (and it's especially obvious when they try to get lean again), rather than between the skin and muscle in the usual way. That's why they all look like shit off no matter what they do.

Without the gear, the male body is running on empty. It's no longer about the gym or about your food, you just become medically fucked up because you destroyed your natural androgens. The true key to building muscle and losing fat in the absence of gear. The gym is the least of your worries.

A lot of them don't even know what they are truly getting themselves into, or don't care. Fucking stupid.

ON a side note, even as little as 1 cycle for 2-3 weeks can cause a long term fuck up to your body (not for everyone, but how the fuck would you know if it will happen to you or not), which is why those who decide to use anything hormonal should just lock themselves in and throw away the key.

i also disagree.. have done it many times..came off, lost strength and some size, but stuck at it and slowly but surely came back to getting all of it, and then some..back. mind you, i never abused the stuff like the pros..only very moderate doses really.. 500-750mg test, 500-750 deca (or similar) and 15-25mg dbol a day...at the highest point of a cycle.

after a few cycles, even that dose is too much..the gains versus the usage get less and less. do this for 10-20 years and you get pretty decent.

[Simple Simon]

Being able to abuse drugs doesn't make you better than anyone. It makes you a drug abuser...  

Like I said, 2 years off those drugs and you would be... nothing. Hell, I'm certain that going clean for as little as 2 months would have an extremely noticeable effect.

You still think discontinuing creatine is the same thing as discontinuing steroids. That's... tragic.

You are done gimmick   

end of story.

[no one]

The broscience steroid websites say that tren has a anabolic rating of 500 vs 100 for test. So it's 5 times more anabolic, not 500. ie. 100mg of tren = 500mg of test.

the guys a fucking retard.

never taken an injectable in his life but telling everyone how to do it and what happens when you stop.

he's best ignored.

I'll never understand what prompts people to talk abt shit they have no real clue abt. is it to fit in? sound important? make up for looking like shit irl?

the guys just another pumpster.

[Hulkotron]

Haha I missed the "500 times more anabolic" comment

That is unfortunate.

[anabolichalo]

it just enters my brain that dana layne bailey trained legs with raymond

there is no hope for her vastus medialis if raymond couldnt fix it

she is basically done

[Schnauzer]

 

[bentone]

Steroids and peptides are and always will be a part of bodybuilding. For every asshole that thinks it's cheating please do everyone a favor and go find a new message board to troll.