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jose raymond offseason
« on: November 04, 2014, 07:44:05 PM »
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 07:45:52 PM »
In before someone says,

Drugs are just the finishing touch.
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 07:46:24 PM »
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 07:48:26 PM »
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 07:50:50 PM »

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 08:11:29 PM »

just another in a long line of reasons why 'professional bodybuilding' is a joke.
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 09:22:49 PM »

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 09:45:51 PM »
Where is all the muscle gone?

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 09:52:39 PM »
A regular Oompah Loompah of muscular midget might.

Turdlet of peace.  Put a penguin suit on him.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2014, 11:43:16 PM »
lkooks like he's got one leg in the water! he's just pushing his gutt out on purpose the guys in the backround are laughing at him

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 11:48:19 PM »
shrunk the fuck up and fat as hell.



good for him. probably smart actually, health wise.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2014, 11:53:18 PM »
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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 01:38:39 AM »
cant you see he is fooling around and pushing his stomach out ?

guy is a freak

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2014, 01:53:54 AM »


Photoshop of peace. Everyone knows Jay has no veins.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2014, 02:09:25 AM »
Didn't he compete recently ? In the last couple of months ? Kinda crazy how small his chest and shoulders got in that short amount of time.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2014, 02:14:49 AM »
Didn't he compete recently ? In the last couple of months ? Kinda crazy how small his chest and shoulders got in that short amount of time.

he is also about 25% bf.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2014, 02:30:23 AM »
Didn't he compete recently ? In the last couple of months ? Kinda crazy how small his chest and shoulders got in that short amount of time.

Competed in the 2014 Prague Pro

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 02:36:35 AM »
Competed in the 2014 Prague Pro

Unpopular opinion, but he looks great here.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 02:46:08 AM »
Didn't he compete recently ? In the last couple of months ? Kinda crazy how small his chest and shoulders got in that short amount of time.

When you come off, you lose everything and then SOME. That's just what happens. It comes off FAST depending on how long it takes for the drugs to clear from your system fully.

Some pro bodybuilders have come off and had a little something left, but generally they all look like shit off compared to even natural guys. Usually because they don't have the natural androgen levels (Testosterone to Estrogen) to promote and maintain substantial lean mass to fat ratio. Looking at the science behind it, you can understand why it's not possible to look good off the drugs no matter if you "keep training" with a "good diet". Stupid talk on steroid boards giving kids false hope.

These guys are abusing shit. DHT derivatives etc. They all cause epic shut down (Masteron, Tren, EQ, Winny all DHT derivatives shut you down badly. Yeah you still function with the Test base, but when they all come out, you are shut down to hell). The fat stores intra-muscularly mostly when you come off gear (and it's especially obvious when they try to get lean again), rather than between the skin and muscle in the usual way. That's why they all look like shit off no matter what they do.

Without the gear, the male body is running on empty. It's no longer about the gym or about your food, you just become medically fucked up because you destroyed your natural androgens. The true key to building muscle and losing fat in the absence of gear. The gym is the least of your worries.

A lot of them don't even know what they are truly getting themselves into, or don't care. Fucking stupid.

ON a side note, even as little as 1 cycle for 2-3 weeks can cause a long term fuck up to your body (not for everyone, but how the fuck would you know if it will happen to you or not), which is why those who decide to use anything hormonal should just lock themselves in and throw away the key.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2014, 02:55:34 AM »
Photoshop of peace. Everyone knows Jay has no veins.

LOL, what is with this shitty photshopping everywhere, they are starting to look like aliens.

are there actually people who aspire to looking like a vascular brown lump of play-doh.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2014, 03:08:34 AM »
When you come off, you lose everything and then SOME. That's just what happens.

Some pro bodybuilders have come off and had a little something left, but generally they all look like shit off compared to even natural guys. Usually because they don't have the natural androgen levels (Testosterone to Estrogen) to promote and maintain substantial lean mass to fat ratio. These guys are abusing shit. DHT derivatives etc. they cause epic shut down. The fat stores intra-muscularly mostly when you come off gear (and it's especially obvious when they try to get lean again), rather than between the skin and muscle. That's why they all look like shit off no matter what they do.



I disagree. I use ... and I compete ... and know several that do the same. None of us lose that much THAT quick. Especially if your diet is in order.

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2014, 03:10:22 AM »


How long do you go off for? Try going off for a year or more (preferably 2 years, but 1 is usually enough). Completely off. And then compare it to where you were when you started (in terms of body fat and muscle mass, not just your weight on the scale).

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2014, 03:15:49 AM »
epitome of health

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2014, 03:17:40 AM »
How long do you go off for? Try going off for a year or more (preferably 2 years, but 1 is usually enough). Completely off. And then compare it to where you were when you started (in terms of body fat and muscle mass, not just your weight on the scale).

I agree. Besides genetic response drugs are def not the finishing touch

Many bbers never had a natural foundation to begin with so when the drugs are stopped all is gone

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Re: jose raymond offseason
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2014, 03:22:14 AM »
I agree. Besides genetic response drugs are def not the finishing touch

Many bbers never had a natural foundation to begin with so when the drugs are stopped all is gone

The sad thing is, even those who had the foundation will ruin that foundation when they're off, because when you come off the drugs, it's a very complex process that's occurring to strip all that muscle off. It's not just muscle "melting away". Test is down. E is up, Estradiol running rampant. Thyroid hormone gets affected, may things are happening that science can't even really tell you accurately since no one but a bodybuilder is stupid enough to use a shit load of anabolics in ridiculous combinations to get as big and lean as possible.

The body just gets destroyed after a bodybuilder retires. A foundation becomes a moot point. A "foundation" should really be the finished product. Not a "base" to blast gear off of.