President of NAACP...

[iwantmass]

This one looks interesting for studies that don't exist

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists

I find it odd that you rely on the fbi database when it fits your argument,  yet you don't know about documents like this.  I bet they even have a very comprehensive black Lives Matter file already.  Care to take me up on that bet?

[mr.turbo]

we all have differing experiences.

here's an interesting poll.



http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/PRRI-AVS-2015-Web.pdf

this shows public perception but as you know this is often inconsistent with facts.

[mr.turbo]

This one looks interesting for studies that don't exist

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists

I find it odd that you rely on the fbi database when it fits your argument,  yet you don't know about documents like this.  I bet they even have a very comprehensive black Lives Matter file already.  Care to take me up on that bet?

hey FYI citing cointelpro includes such extremists as Martin Luther King jr.

the amusement continues.

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_federal_bureau_of_investigation_fbi/

[iwantmass]

hey FYI citing cointelpro includes such extremists as Martin Luther King jr.

the amusement continues.

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_federal_bureau_of_investigation_fbi/

Woah, there.  You criticized me for doubting and suspecting fbi data.  Thats kind of why I did it.  It doesn't all have merit.....wait for it....just like your posts on right wing extremism.  You can't have it both ways.  You originally asserted that the fbi said it, so it must be true.  Now, you take a different approach when it doesn't fit your biased narrative.

I wouldn't be criticizing your studies if I took the fbi database as fact on everything they have a file on

So you are right, the amusement does continue.

As I've said before mr turbo certainly isn't a name based off your sharp wit

[mr.turbo]

Woah, there.  You criticized me for doubting and suspecting fbi data.  Thats kind of why I did it.  It doesn't all have merit.....wait for it....just like your posts on right wing extremism.  You can't have it both ways.  You originally asserted that the fbi said it, so it must be true.  Now, you take a different approach when it doesn't fit your biased narrative.

I wouldn't be criticizing your studies if I took the fbi database as fact on everything they have a file on

So you are right, the amusement does continue.

As I've said before mr turbo certainly isn't a name based off your sharp wit

that's an internal file and it is like 40 years old.  It's not a study. because the fbi is a public institution we can access their files, this was not published during the civil rights movement, do you think they want to advertise they are surveilling Martin Luther King?

ok so you didn't produce anything but that's ok. If you come up with something let me know. The information is there for you to look at but the key is not to exclude information that makes you come to the wrong conclusion. ie. material that makes you uncomfortable, sometimes the truth is like that.

[iwantmass]

that's an internal file and it is like 40 years old.  It's not a study. because the fbi is a public institution we can access their files, this was not published during the civil rights movement, do you think they want to advertise they are surveilling Martin Luther King?

ok so you didn't produce anything but that's ok. If you come up with something let me know. The information is there for you to look at but the key is not to exclude information that makes you come to the wrong conclusion. ie. material that makes you uncomfortable, sometimes the truth is like that.

You linked it, I didnt.  The ones I linked weren't 40 years old and they provide plenty of the evidence you asked for on black extremists.

I haven't looked wrong this entire time

A brief summary:

You said I think racism doesn't exist 2 posts after I talked about racism

You challenged me because I doubted fbi files, so I produced a 2 fbi links that you didn't like

You claim to be oblivious to black racism and can't fathom black racists voting for Obama

You cherry picked data on hate crimes and teror acts, I corrected you

I think that about sums it up.

Oh yeah, you don't read any of the documents you link, you just look at the pretty pictures.  That's crystal clear by the 55 page link you posted and  the Ferguson document that you likely didn't read 1 page of, which is clear when you make vague references to it.


Let's keep this up..I usually make ppl look stupid on the political board but you are allowing me do so on the main forum

[mr.turbo]

do you have some support for the claim about black racism?

you linked to cointelpro, a 40 year old program widely condemned by human rights organisations for political prosecution.

your other source is a hate group.

you haven't done too well by my humble estimation.

[iwantmass]

do you have some support for the claim about black racism?

you linked to cointelpro, a 40 year old program widely condemned by human rights organisations for political prosecution.

your other source is a hate group.

you haven't done too well by my humble estimation.

I've done just fine.  I pulled resources from the fbi to satisfy your request, whether I agree with it or not.  I can post plenty more like the one on the black panthers If you like.  

It's not my fault you want to change the boundaries when I play by your rules.

Good job on ignoring the other parts I posted


Once again, I'm asking you very clearly.  Are you claiming that black racism doesn't exist or that a black racist wouldn't vote for a black guy because he was black?

[mr.turbo]

I've done just fine.  I pulled resources from the fbi to satisfy your request, whether I agree with it or not.  I can post plenty more like the one on the black panthers If you like.  

It's not my fault you want to change the boundaries when I play by your rules.

Good job on ignoring the other parts I posted


Once again, I'm asking you very clearly.  Are you claiming that black racism doesn't exist or that a black racist wouldn't vote for a black guy because he was black?

look I'm willing to wait it out on this.

If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful.  

appreciate your efforts regardless.  

p.s. the black racism thing is confined to fellows like wiggs and the nation of islam. Seems like an extreme fringe phenomenon. I could be wrong but still waiting on that data.

[iwantmass]

look I'm willing to wait it out on this.

If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful. 

appreciate your efforts regardless. 

And he's back to trolling, where he belongs.  Looks like my work is done

[iwantmass]

look I'm willing to wait it out on this.

If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful.  

appreciate your efforts regardless.  

p.s. the black racism thing is confined to fellows like wiggs and the nation of islam. Seems like an extreme fringe phenomenon. I could be wrong but still waiting on that data.

You added that last line after your original post.  You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that.  I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this

[mr.turbo]

You added that last line after your original post.  You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that.  I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this

perceptions vary widely. Tea Partiers have diametrically opposed perceptions to democrats on this issue. Unfortunately not everyone can be correct simultaneously. this is where we look to "racism experts" I haven't done so because i didn't make the claim. that's your job.

[TuHolmes]

You added that last line after your original post.  You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that.  I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this

Sure... I'll chime in.

There are white racists and black racists. I would estimate that according to my actual real world experience that the number is probably about 20% on each side.

I have seen many white people hide their true ideas when there are black people around and I have heard black people do the same thing.

Case in point. I was with one of my Aunt's one day renting a U-Haul to haul some furniture across town for her. Her and one of my cousin's were in the place and a black girl who was working the U-Haul counter was talking about something going on in the news. Now, my Aunt, who happens to be black, is highly educated and of course not "ghetto" in any way. Now, what was odd about this was that the second the U-Haul girl found out that my Aunt was "my Aunt", she immediately started talking completely different.

It was like listening to two different people. She immediately felt comfortable enough to start talking in whatever manner she does around her friends that she would not have done near me (as she was not speaking this way) if my Aunt had not specifically said, "Oh... This is my nephew." Because my Aunt could see the inquisitive look on the young ladies' face as to why this "white boy" was hanging out here with them.

Another story my black grandmother used to love telling was how when I was a smaller kid, probably around 2 or 3, my great grandmother died. (Her Mom.)

Now, apparently, according to her story, I was the only "white person" at the funeral and everyone was wondering what this white kid was going to say or do being at this funeral around no one but black people. Of course people talked to me and my only statements were "That's my great grandma'" and that's why I'm here.

Now, you may see these as minor incidents, but really, it speaks to the mind set of people. Were they "violent acts of racism", no, they were not, but the meaning behind them and the overt racism is still there.

Similar to when we talk about institutional racism when white people were actually trying to keep the black man down.


I have, of course, some similar situations on the white side of my family, but I don't know if it is worth stating those because people already make the incorrect assumption that white people are the racist ones.

The reality is that black people are just as racist, not more, not less, than white people. What I do believe though is that neither side is as racist as they USED to be and that's a good thing.

I believe as a nation and a society, we are improving daily. I understand people see us as a divided nation, but I don't see that. I see us getting better all of the time.

[iwantmass]

Sure... I'll chime in.

There are white racists and black racists. I would estimate that according to my actual real work experience that the number is probably about 20% on each side.

I have seen many white people hide their true ideas when there are black people around and I have heard black people do the same thing.

Case in point. I was with one of my Aunt's one day renting a U-Haul to haul some furniture across town for her. Her and one of my cousin's were in the place and a black girl who was working the U-Haul counter was talking about something going on in the news. Now, my Aunt, who happens to be black, is highly educated and of course not "ghetto" in any way. Now, what was odd about this was that the second the U-Haul girl found out that my Aunt was "my Aunt", she immediately started talking completely different.

It was like listening to two different people. She immediately felt comfortable enough to start talking in whatever manner she does around her friends that she would not have done near me (as she was not speaking this way) if my Aunt had not specifically said, "Oh... This is my nephew." Because my Aunt could see the inquisitive look on the young ladies' face as to why this "white boy" was hanging out here with them.

Another story my black grandmother used to love telling was how when I was a smaller kid, probably around 2 or 3, my great grandmother died. (Her Mom.)

Now, apparently, according to her story, I was the only "white person" at the funeral and everyone was wondering what this white kid was going to say or do being at this funeral around no one but black people. Of course people talked to me and my only statements were "That's my great grandma'" and that's why I'm here.

Now, you may see these as minor incidents, but really, it speaks to the mind set of people. Were they "violent acts of racism", no, they were not, but the meaning behind them and the overt racism is still there.

Similar to when we talk about institutional racism when white people were actually trying to keep the black man down.


I have, of course, some similar situations on the white side of my family, but I don't know if it is worth stating those because people already make the incorrect assumption that white people are the racist ones.

The reality is that black people are just as racist, not more, not less, than white people. What I do believe though is that neither side is as racist as they USED to be and that's a good thing.

I believe as a nation and a society, we are improving daily. I understand people see us as a divided nation, but I don't see that. I see us getting better all of the time.

Thank you for your input.  I appreciate your honesty as always.  Clearly these black people you mention don't exists because mr turbo suggests they don't exist and that he has never met a racist black person, other than the fanatical ones....he's seen on tv.  They are far and away an anomaly and there is no way 20% of the black population could be racist.  

There in lies the problem with people like mr turbo.  He will lie to present his point.  He knows he has met his fair share of racists blacks.  He knows that he knows racist blacks that voted for obama.  Yet, unless you provide him a documented admission of a black person signing off that they are racist, with video of the occurrence, he will turn a blind eye and deny it exist.  Even then, the admission would occur under cohersion in his eyes.  
 
I've consistently made him change his opinion and look like the dumbass he is at every turn, even making him refute his own solid fbi evidence, so now he wants me to post evidence that black people are racist....

Why would i bother with that stupidity?  We all know that when he has reached the point to ask me to prove blacks are racist, he's lost and all his other points and is to his last resort

[iwantmass]

perceptions vary widely. Tea Partiers have diametrically opposed perceptions to democrats on this issue. Unfortunately not everyone can be correct simultaneously. this is where we look to "racism experts" I haven't done so because i didn't make the claim. that's your job.

 

The sentence you just typed is pure hogwash that you hopes confuse someone just like your link to a 55 page study, that you only link an excerpt from the 2nd page...because that is all you read.  You don't read these studies you post, you don't understand them, and you hope people don't look past the pretty pictures.  I did read them, i did understand them, and thus realized your pretty pictures were skewed and as such i provided the rebuttal.  I've more than supported my original claim.   You just keep moving the end zone back 10 yards

[mr.turbo]

 

The sentence you just typed is pure hogwash that you hopes confuse someone just like your link to a 55 page study, that you only link an excerpt from the 2nd page...because that is all you read.  You don't read these studies you post, you don't understand them, and you hope people don't look past the pretty pictures.  I did read them, i did understand them, and thus realized your pretty pictures were skewed and as such i provided the rebuttal.  I've more than supported my original claim.   You just keep moving the end zone back 10 yards

you provided data on hate crimes. racism is a hate crime but not all hate crimes are racism. when you make a claim about racism we need information pertaining specifically to that.

[iwantmass]

you provided data on hate crimes. racism is a hate crime but not all hate crimes are racism. when you make a claim about racism we need information pertaining specifically to that.

Sorry, i have no interest in proving to you that black people can be racist, and as a result, said racist black people would vote for obama in a similar fashion to racist whites voting for trump.  Take it or leave it.   I understand you have been made to look like an idiot, so you are trying to save some face, but I have no interests in convincing you that whites aren't the sole racists on the planet.