Arthur Jones...Bulletin 1...1970

[chess315]

Last sentence of Chapter 5 (out of 44)

"In practice, best results are usually produced by three weekly workouts of less than one and one-half hours each"

ok it may not be the truth but it pretty fucking close especially for drug free probably drug users also mariuz pudinowski trained that way maybe not a bodybuider but altogether one of the most empresive physical specimans he's ranked near 5th in heavyweights in mma right now

this is how Arthur Jones sees the world

I'm not really sure there is any way to prove this claim is true or false

you can agree or disagree just like anything else

[AusBB]

Anyone that does HIT long enough ends up tearing shit.

People say HIT is good because of Dorian. I say the reason Dorian tore shit was cos if HIT.

Dorian would have been just as successful with his work ethic doing traditional volume sets without tearing shit.

[pellius]

Anyone that does HIT long enough ends up tearing shit.

People say HIT is good because of Dorian. I say the reason Dorian tore shit was cos if HIT.

Dorian would have been just as successful with his work ethic doing traditional volume sets without tearing shit.

I don't think that is entirely accurate. I've been doing HIT in one form or another for almost 40 years never having a muscle tear. And most, if not everybody, associates HIT with the bbers Mike Mentzer and Casey Viator not Dorian Yates. Though Dorian incorporated many of the principles of HIT, primarily the emphasis on high intensity and reduced volume, even Mentzer said that Dorian didn't practice HIT espoused by him and Arthur Jones. I have no doubt Jones would go into a fit watching Dorian perform alternate dumbbell curls.

Also, more trainees have torn muscles doing volume than HIT but this has nothing to do with volume training but rather that more people incorporate that style of training. Injury/muscle tears occur when the tensile force imposed on the muscle exceeds the fibers capacity/ability to accommodate the load. This occurs not by intense training or even "heavy" training but by doing explosive movements. Ronnie Coleman and Branch Warren, both volume trainers when compared to HIT, are prime examples of using poor form and explosive movements and have paid dearly for it. One of the features of HIT is controlled movements especially in the eccentric/negative portion of the movement. It's the difference between velocity and acceleration. That is why you can sit comfortable going at 500 mph on a jet airplane whereas going from 0-30mph in one second will snap your head off. It's the difference between pushing your fist as hard as you can against a brick wall and punching it.

[FREAKgeek]

Always liked the 20 rep squat and deadlift, in cycles, just not all the time.

[Evo]

i do them from time to time but the vast majority of my focus is shaping exercises

Oh dear...pray tell which exercises shape muscles....I really want triangular biceps...

[Evo]

Always liked the 20 rep squat and deadlift, in cycles, just not all the time.

High reps is the key to tree trunk legs...

[PJim]

I don't think that is entirely accurate. I've been doing HIT in one form or another for almost 40 years never having a muscle tear. And most, if not everybody, associates HIT with the bbers Mike Mentzer and Casey Viator not Dorian Yates. Though Dorian incorporated many of the principles of HIT, primarily the emphasis on high intensity and reduced volume, even Mentzer said that Dorian didn't practice HIT espoused by him and Arthur Jones. I have no doubt Jones would go into a fit watching Dorian perform alternate dumbbell curls.

Also, more trainees have torn muscles doing volume than HIT but this has nothing to do with volume training but rather that more people incorporate that style of training. Injury/muscle tears occur when the tensile force imposed on the muscle exceeds the fibers capacity/ability to accommodate the load. This occurs not by intense training or even "heavy" training but by doing explosive movements. Ronnie Coleman and Branch Warren, both volume trainers when compared to HIT, are prime examples of using poor form and explosive movements and have paid dearly for it. One of the features of HIT is controlled movements especially in the eccentric/negative portion of the movement. It's the difference between velocity and acceleration. That is why you can sit comfortable going at 500 mph on a jet airplane whereas going from 0-30mph in one second will snap your head off. It's the difference between pushing your fist as hard as you can against a brick wall and punching it.

This. Try training like Dorian with that level of intensity with that many exercises that frequently  drug-free and you'll burn out, he still did way too much for a natural to recover from between workouts.

[dj181]

Oh dear...pray tell which exercises shape muscles....I really want triangular biceps...

did some pec shaping exercises before this pic 15

[Evo]

did some pec shaping exercises before this pic 15

No you upregulated MRNA via resistance training, ergo encouraging new cell growth providing all other bases are suitably covered.

There was no shaping going on, muscles have insertions and bellies, you got what you got....it can be made larger, but shaped....c'mon, you will be doing high reps for toning next man!

[dj181]

No you upregulated MRNA via resistance training, ergo encouraging new cell growth providing all other bases are suitably covered.

There was no shaping going on, muscles have insertions and bellies, you got what you got....it can be made larger, but shaped....c'mon, you will be doing high reps for toning next man!

so you are trying to tell me that rope overhead tri ext dont stress the long head better thab kickbacks?

or that hammer curls dont create more bicep width the concentration curls 

[Marty Champions]

gains are easy when u eat meat u store all the heme iron in your muscles but more oxidation more aging .. u get the wasted old lean look like pellius and tim westcocks

[Marty Champions]

so you are trying to tell me that rope overhead tri ext dont stress the long head better thab kickbacks?

or that hammer curls dont create more bicep width the concentration curls 

isolations hit less strands of the muscle

compunds wake up everything

[Evo]

so you are trying to tell me that rope overhead tri ext dont stress the long head better thab kickbacks?

or that hammer curls dont create more bicep width the concentration curls 

EMG test shows amounts of activation in muscles when completing exercises, some recruit more fibres than others, true.

However this doesnt mean that ones with lower muscle recruitment are shaping exercises, not mass builders - they may be less effective, but not differentiated from.

Tell you what, if you trained to all out failure, it wouldn't really matter what exercise you picked for such a small muscle group, it would all get worked to a degree.

I hardly do compound for triceps anymore, yet they still grow, not change shape!

[dj181]

EMG test shows amounts of activation in muscles when completing exercises, some recruit more fibres than others, true.

However this doesnt mean that ones with lower muscle recruitment are shaping exercises, not mass builders - they may be less effective, but not differentiated from.

Tell you what, if you trained to all out failure, it wouldn't really matter what exercise you picked for such a small muscle group, it would all get worked to a degree.

I hardly do compound for triceps anymore, yet they still grow, not change shape!

allright bro, thanks for the cool feedback

honestly i just like spending long time in the gym

[Evo]

allright bro, thanks for the cool feedback

honestly i just like spending long time in the gym

I love training too....would go everyday if my body/work/life would allow.

But train smart...

Expending calories for the sake of it, when it will not translate into further muscle damage/growth, seems a bit retarded to me if you are trying to sculpt a physique...

[FREAKgeek]

High reps is the key to tree trunk legs...

Genetics and drugs are

[dj181]

Genetics and drugs are

this
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but it isnt just drugs, it is the right drugs for you

so you gotta experiment and see which ones work best for you

[doggler]

this
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but it isnt just drugs, it is the right drugs for you

so you gotta experiment and see which ones work best for you

 

[Straw Man]

if you follow it precisely it's actually very flexible

lift weights 3 times a week

that can be full body 3x or full body on one day plus an upper and lower body day (each bp 2x per week) or  upper  body lower body alternate ( avg of 1.5x per week) or any way you prefer to split up the body in three 1x per week

I'm good with 3 or 4 workouts per (weights only) per week

[pellius]

isolations hit less strands of the muscle

compunds wake up everything

One of things that Jones has contributed vastly is making others think more about what is actually
going on during resistance training and how muscles function and spotting foolishness a mile away. But you're always going to find posts/comments like this. Claims with zero logical thought and nonsense/bro science terminology.

"Less strands of muscle". "Wake up everything."

Um, OK.

"Hey Tom, you do realize during that set you've still missed some strands of muscle and haven't woken everything up."

[Evo]

One of things that Jones has contributed vastly is making others think more about what is actually
going on during resistance training and how muscles function and spotting foolishness a mile away. But you're always going to find posts/comments like this. Claims with zero logical thought and nonsense/bro science terminology.

"Less strands of muscle". "Wake up everything."

Um, OK.

"Hey Tom, you do realize during that set you've still missed some strands of muscle and haven't woken everything up."

I think people who spout this type of stuff are confused about EMG tests and muscle recruitment.

The EMG tests show how much of the muscle is activated by a particular exercise .  Training intensity is a totally different variable.

Interesting to see EMG tests on Platz doing the above...

[pellius]

I think people who spout this type of stuff are confused about EMG tests and muscle recruitment.

The EMG tests show how much of the muscle is activated by a particular exercise .  Training intensity is a totally different variable.

Interesting to see EMG tests on Platz doing the above...

Excellent point!