Making a Murderer on Netflix

[twitchfibres]

Documentary was very one sided. Steve Avery is a sick fuck.

[Dave D]

And the nephew is obviously lying about details, but I don't think he is lying about the fact him and his Uncle killed that innocent woman.
And most of these facts were left out of the documentary.

1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”. He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and put it on a fire to watch it suffer.
2. Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send “that same girl who was here last time.” On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister’s) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.

Why did she go back, If Avery gave a false name I'm sure she'd remember going to the address as it was Avery street, or at least remember the roads as she drove to the salvage yard.  Very sad she went there nonetheless.

3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?
4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to “burn it”…heat destroys DNA.

Getbiggers say worse here on a very public forum and it's documented. Using alleged conversations of convicted felons as any sort of confirmation of his lunacy seems to be a far fetched effort and is hearsay. If it was the prison shrink who documented the conversation that's a different story.

Was the drawing submitted as evidence for the trail?

5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa’s) were from this murder was NEVER established.

I thought the doc said pieces of her pelvic area were found at the quarry? The field expert testified that they couldn't determine much as the procedure for removing the bone fragments damaged the scene.
6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at 4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she’s already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn’t need the *67 feature for that last call.

It was apparent he had a thing for her and his girlfriend was locked up at the time, suspicious behavior but not criminal.
I don't remember him saying she never showed up,  was that left out of the doc?
8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5…how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery’s sweat to “plant” under the hood?

Did Avery claim to have never touched the car? I don't remember that being said. "Planting" his dna wouldn't be that difficult as the police had access to his home for the week in November, although it is highly unlikely.

9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6…if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver’s bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa’s DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5—did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later???

I thought the DNA was technically by definition considered contaimated, because the testers DNA somehow became involved. The found numerous shell casings in his garage and throughout the property, finding a bullet that was fired from his gun shouldn't have been that hard? But finding that bullet, that "contained" her dna four months after the initial search in that garage without finding any other of her dna/blood in there seems shocking.

That is if he shot her in the garage, and if he didn't how did the bullet end up in there? Did Avery or someone else move it there and if so why wasn't any of their dna recovered?

Documentary was very one sided. Steve Avery is a sick fuck.

I'm making my way through the series and it's very entertaining. I Google searched the case after viewing the first 3 episodes and read the reports of what the doc left out and know the end result of the trial.

I don't think anyone is saying Avery is/was a good dude. The first episode, before I knew anything at all, where they talk about him throwing the cat over the bonfire was an immediate red flag to me, as we all know the studies that say serial killers often have a history of torturing animals (although doing that doesn't mean that person will be a murderer).

I agreed the documentaries are one sided, but that's what documentaries are designed to do.  The sites/links I went to that also provided the information Radical  shared are also designed to get across the idea that he is guilty. But that's what we do, we offer facts, evidence and opinions that support our ideas.

The case has been decided so it's all a moot point. It's apparent that there was some conflict of interest by the Manitowoc  (spelling is off I'm sure) police force.  The DA coming out on TV and telling the story of the throat slashing and rape, which was a fabrication, was also unprofessional.

RP I'm not trying to argue Avery's innocence I just don't like how much effort was put into framing him when the real evidence should have been enough to speak for itself.  

It makes for interesting conversation though.

It'd really be interesting to hear Harley Brites opinion on the actual case (not just the doc).

[visualizeperfection]

The fucker did it.

Remind me to never visit Wisconsin, holy fucking shit.


Sister fuckers of peace.

[Rudee]

And the nephew is obviously lying about details, but I don't think he is lying about the fact him and his Uncle killed that innocent woman.
And most of these facts were left out of the documentary.

1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”. He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and put it on a fire to watch it suffer.
2. Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send “that same girl who was here last time.” On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister’s) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.
3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?
4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to “burn it”…heat destroys DNA.
5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa’s) were from this murder was NEVER established.
6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at 4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she’s already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn’t need the *67 feature for that last call.
8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5…how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery’s sweat to “plant” under the hood?
9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6…if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver’s bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa’s DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5—did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later???

Also, Brendan Dassey's Mother Barb noticed that his jeans had white spots on them. Brendan told his mom it was due to bleach, and that he had been helping his uncle Steve clean his garage.  The bleach stained jeans were used as evidence in Brendan Dassey's trial, but that was left out of the documentary. 

[Dave D]

Also, Brendan Dassey's Mother Barb noticed that his jeans had white spots on them. Brendan told his mom it was due to bleach, and that he had been helping his uncle Steve clean his garage.  The bleach stained jeans were used as evidence in Brendan Dassey's trial, but that was left out of the documentary. 

I was looking at some transcripts of Brendan's call with his mother on reddit and it's even more apparent that he's an idiot.

It would be nothing short of a miracle if he and Steven were able to clean the garage of all of Teresa's DNA evidence, to be so thorough when cleaning that pigsty, and have it well thought out on how to remove blood and whatever other dna there is yet so careless when "hiding" the RAV4 on the property and carelessly  leaving a trail of physical evidence inside the vehicle.

Also Brendan testified that they cut her throat while she was tied to the bed which was proven to be not true. Depending on his testimony would seem to be shaky.... I didnt see this anywhere but were the jeans actually submitted as evidence?

I thought the defense also proved the prosecution timeliness where wrong when the bus driver testified that she saw Teresa between 330-340.

What I don't understand is was Brendan convicted of the three charges that Steven had removed from his trial?


*Again I'm not saying Avery was innocent or a good dude, but he at least deserves a fair trial no matter how guilty he is. However he did go to prison based on the 100% confirmation of a credible witness, who was 100% wrong. Offering his mentally challenged nephew as a credible and reliable source of information isn't that damming. The poor kid just wanted to be out of jail in time for Wrestlemanina.

[Rudee]

I was looking at some transcripts of Brendan's call with his mother on reddit and it's even more apparent that he's an idiot.

It would be nothing short of a miracle if he and Steven were able to clean the garage of all of Teresa's DNA evidence, to be so thorough when cleaning that pigsty, and have it well thought out on how to remove blood and whatever other dna there is yet so careless when "hiding" the RAV4 on the property and carelessly  leaving a trail of physical evidence inside the vehicle.

Also Brendan testified that they cut her throat while she was tied to the bed which was proven to be not true. Depending on his testimony would seem to be shaky.... I didnt see this anywhere but were the jeans actually submitted as evidence?

I thought the defense also proved the prosecution timeliness where wrong when the bus driver testified that she saw Teresa between 330-340.

What I don't understand is was Brendan convicted of the three charges that Steven had removed from his trial?


*Again I'm not saying Avery was innocent or a good dude, but he at least deserves a fair trial no matter how guilty he is. However he did go to prison based on the 100% confirmation of a credible witness, who was 100% wrong. Offering his mentally challenged nephew as a credible and reliable source of information isn't that damming. The poor kid just wanted to be out of jail in time for Wrestlemanina.

I think the half-assed job of hiding the RAV4 on the property was the best he could do, given the time he had to dispose of evidence.   He was wearing gloves so that gave him a false sense of security as far as leaving DNA inside the RAV4 went, but he slipped up somehow.   Maybe his cut finger dripped blood that fell through the open cuff of the glove he was wearing and landed on the console.  I think he was far too busy focusing on getting rid of the blood and the body itself to go back and double-check that the RAV4 was absolutely spotless of his DNA.

[SquidVicious]

Who among us can spotlessly clean a vehicle of our DNA after committing a murder. Usually we have other things on our minds.

[The Ugly]

Documentary was very one sided. Steve Avery is a sick fuck.

Gotta agree. Much was left out and/or manipulated, especially the part where he specifically lured Teresa back to the property (after she'd refused to deal with him anymore) by pretending to be his sister. Then greeted her in nothing but a towel. The guy targeted her, which fits perfectly with his history.

The nephew, I'd agree, seems to have been railroaded - the "confession" was absolute bullshit - and the department itself is incompetent beyond words. Wouldn't doubt for a second they unethically/illegally bolstered their case, but I do believe they had the right man.

[visualizeperfection]

Gotta agree. Much was left out and/or manipulated, especially the part where he specifically lured Teresa back to the property (after she'd refused to deal with him anymore) by pretending to be his sister. Then greeted her in nothing but a towel.nThe guy targeted her, which fits perfectly with his history.

The nephew, I'd agree, seems to have been railroaded - the "confession" was absolute bullshit - and the department itself is incompetent beyond words. Wouldn't doubt for a second they unethically/illegally bolstered their case, but I do believe they had the right man.

Yeah. It's always funny seeing cops in random podunk shitkicker states.



Degenerates. I imagine their training was "On the job".

[Rudee]

Loved the riveting phone conversations:

"Hello?"
"Yeah?"
"Are you watching the news?"
"The news?"
"Yeah, channel 2"
"Yeah"
"Ok, just checking"
"Yeah, thanks"
"Ok, Bye"
"Yeah, goodbye"

[Dave D]

Loved the riveting phone conversations:

"Hello?"
"Yeah?"
"Are you watching the news?"
"The news?"
"Yeah, channel 2"
"Yeah"
"Ok, just checking"
"Yeah, thanks"
"Ok, Bye"
"Yeah, goodbye"

Hahaha loved the amount of yeahs. No hellos, hi or hey as an intro just yeah.

The Avery family together doesn't have a collective IQ of 100. These case should have been open and closed but the cops really didn't appear to be much smarter.

[Necrosis]

I'm making my way through the series and it's very entertaining. I Google searched the case after viewing the first 3 episodes and read the reports of what the doc left out and know the end result of the trial.

I don't think anyone is saying Avery is/was a good dude. The first episode, before I knew anything at all, where they talk about him throwing the cat over the bonfire was an immediate red flag to me, as we all know the studies that say serial killers often have a history of torturing animals (although doing that doesn't mean that person will be a murderer).

I agreed the documentaries are one sided, but that's what documentaries are designed to do.  The sites/links I went to that also provided the information Radical  shared are also designed to get across the idea that he is guilty. But that's what we do, we offer facts, evidence and opinions that support our ideas.

The case has been decided so it's all a moot point. It's apparent that there was some conflict of interest by the Manitowoc  (spelling is off I'm sure) police force
.  The DA coming out on TV and telling the story of the throat slashing and rape, which was a fabrication, was also unprofessional.

RP I'm not trying to argue Avery's innocence I just don't like how much effort was put into framing him when the real evidence should have been enough to speak for itself.  

It makes for interesting conversation though.

It'd really be interesting to hear Harley Brites opinion on the actual case (not just the doc).

Torturing animals is a universal childhood thing, many kids kill bugs, small animals however, most kids learn and realize that they are inflicting pain, they empathize and thus stop, however, it's not uncommon at all for kids to be cruel to creatures, the magnitude is scary but he is completely stupid.

If they continue to do so after they have passed such a developmental milestone then they are likely socio/psycho pathic.

[Gregzs]

A Wisconsin prisoner just reportedly confessed to the 'Making a Murderer' killing

A Wisconsin prisoner has confessed to a brutal murder that's the subject of Netflix's "Making a Murderer," the director of a new documentary told Newsweek.

The inmate was being interviewed by filmmakers for an upcoming documentary series called "Convicting a Murderer," an unofficial sequel of sorts to the hit Netflix series, when he said he was responsible for killing Teresa Halbach, the photographer whose death in 2005 was the focus of "Making a Murderer," the director said.

Newsweek reported that the prisoner's name wouldn't be released until law enforcement in Wisconsin can verify a confession.

The director of "Convicting a Murderer," Shawn Rech, told Newsweek that the inmate was a convicted killer.

"We haven't confirmed the legitimacy of the confession, but seeing as it was given by a notable convicted murderer from Wisconsin, we feel responsible to deliver any and all possible evidence to law enforcement and legal teams," Rech said.

He also said that the documentary, which has "been in production for 20 months," had "uncovered an unfathomable amount of information and evidence" about the murder.

Newsweek reported that the new docuseries would feature law-enforcement figures who believe that Steven Avery, the man convicted of murder in Halbach's death in 2007, is guilty. That's a change from the original show, which suggested that Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, who was convicted of being an accessory to murder, were innocent. Both men have maintained their innocence.

Rech told Newsweek that he wasn't satisfied with "Making a Murderer."

"After doing a little bit of follow-up research I learned that not only did I not have the whole story, but I was misled by the series," Rech said.

Should the unnamed inmate's new confession stand, both Avery and Dassey could be released from prison. When "Making a Murderer" aired in 2016, it sparked outrage over the treatment of the two Wisconsin men and led some to support their exoneration.

Avery and Dassey have consistently appealed their convictions since 2007, but both remain incarcerated in Wisconsin. Avery is serving a life sentence without parole, while Dassey is serving a life sentence with the possibility of parole.

Representatives for Avery didn't immediately respond to Insider's requests for comment. A legal representative for Dassey declined to comment.

A spokesperson from the Wisconsin Department of Justice told Insider in a statement, "The Wisconsin Department of Justice has received the new information related to the case. DOJ takes all credible reports seriously, but it's important to note that this new information directly contradicts information previously provided by the same individual."

https://www.insider.com/making-a-murderer-confession-wisconsin-prisoner-teresa-halbach-2019-9?utm_content=buffer33536&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-pop-culture&fbclid=IwAR2V4Pg7pUjj8uUEeYfLViQJLkLSSLBTAR6KY6Y3FpiazTyeN6E3MRiBtIE

[Dave D]

A Wisconsin prisoner just reportedly confessed to the 'Making a Murderer' killing

A Wisconsin prisoner has confessed to a brutal murder that's the subject of Netflix's "Making a Murderer," the director of a new documentary told Newsweek.

The inmate was being interviewed by filmmakers for an upcoming documentary series called "Convicting a Murderer," an unofficial sequel of sorts to the hit Netflix series, when he said he was responsible for killing Teresa Halbach, the photographer whose death in 2005 was the focus of "Making a Murderer," the director said.

Newsweek reported that the prisoner's name wouldn't be released until law enforcement in Wisconsin can verify a confession.

The director of "Convicting a Murderer," Shawn Rech, told Newsweek that the inmate was a convicted killer.

"We haven't confirmed the legitimacy of the confession, but seeing as it was given by a notable convicted murderer from Wisconsin, we feel responsible to deliver any and all possible evidence to law enforcement and legal teams," Rech said.

He also said that the documentary, which has "been in production for 20 months," had "uncovered an unfathomable amount of information and evidence" about the murder.

Newsweek reported that the new docuseries would feature law-enforcement figures who believe that Steven Avery, the man convicted of murder in Halbach's death in 2007, is guilty. That's a change from the original show, which suggested that Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, who was convicted of being an accessory to murder, were innocent. Both men have maintained their innocence.

Rech told Newsweek that he wasn't satisfied with "Making a Murderer."

"After doing a little bit of follow-up research I learned that not only did I not have the whole story, but I was misled by the series," Rech said.

Should the unnamed inmate's new confession stand, both Avery and Dassey could be released from prison. When "Making a Murderer" aired in 2016, it sparked outrage over the treatment of the two Wisconsin men and led some to support their exoneration.

Avery and Dassey have consistently appealed their convictions since 2007, but both remain incarcerated in Wisconsin. Avery is serving a life sentence without parole, while Dassey is serving a life sentence with the possibility of parole.

Representatives for Avery didn't immediately respond to Insider's requests for comment. A legal representative for Dassey declined to comment.

A spokesperson from the Wisconsin Department of Justice told Insider in a statement, "The Wisconsin Department of Justice has received the new information related to the case. DOJ takes all credible reports seriously, but it's important to note that this new information directly contradicts information previously provided by the same individual."

https://www.insider.com/making-a-murderer-confession-wisconsin-prisoner-teresa-halbach-2019-9?utm_content=buffer33536&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-pop-culture&fbclid=IwAR2V4Pg7pUjj8uUEeYfLViQJLkLSSLBTAR6KY6Y3FpiazTyeN6E3MRiBtIE

I thought Getbig decided Avery is guilty of the murder? This alleged confession is worthless now.

[Mayday]

Coming from an inmate..... lol.

The first season was great to watch. The 2nd not so much.

If you want to believe he is innocent, then you must believe that multiple people unknowingly all co-operated together to frame the same person.

I have no doubt the police did certain things to evidence  and the ex boyfriend/brother are probably 'shady' because they played a part in the evidence to. However there is so much of it, for one to assume innocence you must believe every single piece was planted. That's where it fails the real world test.

The Brendan case however i think is super dodgy. He would have been involved but made up heaps of things.

I thought 'the staircase' did a mucb better job overall. It was very did he /didn't he.  This making a murderer is extremely one sided (on purpose to sell the show).