Steroid Dosages Used By 7 Top IFBB Pros In The 90s

[ThisisOverload]

I realise I've argued the following to death but here I go again: there are still pharma Anadrols as well as other orals available so one can compare UG vs pharma potency. There is no difference, at least not more than comparing different generic pharmacy brands of other medicines. To claim that Chinese labs can't synthesize legitimate steroids is absurd.

Yes Anadrol is powerful and one tab goes a long way. However, many have done more without "exploding."

Hey oldtimer, explain how this study was possible without these geriatric patients exploding.

Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men
E Todd Schroeder et al. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jan.

Abstract
To determine whether oxymetholone increases lean body mass (LBM) and skeletal muscle strength in older persons, 31 men 65-80 yr of age were randomized to placebo (group 1) or 50 mg (group 2) or 100 mg (group 3) daily for 12 wk. For the three groups, total LBM increased by 0.0 +/- 0.6, 3.3 +/- 1.2 (P < 0.001), and 4.2 +/- 2.4 kg (P < 0.001), respectively. Trunk fat decreased by 0.2 +/- 0.4, 1.7 +/- 1.0 (P = 0.018), and 2.2 +/- 0.9 kg (P = 0.005) in groups 1, 2, and 3, respectively. Relative increases in 1-repetition maximum (1-RM) strength for biaxial chest press of 8.2 +/- 9.2 and 13.9 +/- 8.1% in the two active treatment groups were significantly different from the change (-0.8 +/- 4.3%) for the placebo group (P < 0.03). For lat pull-down, 1-RM changed by -0.6 +/- 8.3, 8.8 +/- 15.1, and 18.4 +/- 21.0% for the groups, respectively (1-way ANOVA, P = 0.019). The pattern of changes among the groups for LBM and upper-body strength suggested that changes might be related to dose. Alanine aminotransferase increased by 72 +/- 67 U/l in group 3 (P < 0.001), and HDL-cholesterol decreased by -19 +/- 9 and -23 +/- 18 mg/dl in groups 2 and 3, respectively (P = 0.04 and P = 0.008). Thus oxymetholone improved LBM and maximal voluntary muscle strength and decreased fat mass in older men.

I've used these China tabs the last 5 years and even though this batch is now 3 years expired they work amazing. Compares very well with say Turkish Anapolon.

I've been using pharma steroids for over 12 years.

It still makes me laugh when people claim the drugs from the 70's were so much better or more powerful.

It's the exact same stuff.

Even the UGL lab stuff i get from a very credible source works perfectly.

People don't understand much about this game anymore.

Expired orals are fine, they last for over a decade easily.

[Van_Bilderass]

I've been using pharma steroids for over 12 years.

It still makes me laugh when people claim the drugs from the 70's were so much better or more powerful.

It's the exact same stuff.

Even the UGL lab stuff i get from a very credible source works perfectly.

People don't understand much about this game anymore.

Expired orals are fine, they last for over a decade easily.

Absolutely. Yes there are lots of crappy UGLs, cheaper compounds substituted for more expensive ones, underdosing etc, but to say it's all shit is ridiculous. There is a huge market so somebody is going to make it. This oldtimer guy writes this same thing every couple of days, then he complains that bodybuilding is so drug dependent today. If the gear is fake who is drug dependent?

One former big time UGL operator here in Europe told a friend of mine that about 10-15 years ago they all brewed the gear at only 50% of what the label stated. He didn't feel bad about it he said, since "everyone" was doing the same. So there has been shit on the market but there was and is plenty of good stuff as well.

[TheAnimal]

Absolutely. Yes there are lots of crappy UGLs, cheaper compounds substituted for more expensive ones, underdosing etc, but to say it's all shit is ridiculous. There is a huge market so somebody is going to make it. This oldtimer guy writes this same thing every couple of days, then he complains that bodybuilding is so drug dependent today. If the gear is fake who is drug dependent?

One former big time UGL operator here in Europe told a friend of mine that about 10-15 years ago they all brewed the gear at only 50% of what the label stated. He didn't feel bad about it he said, since "everyone" was doing the same. So there has been shit on the market but there was and is plenty of good stuff as well.

[IroNat]

Branch Warren cycle (according to Titus):

Testosterone Propionate 2000 mg a week

Trenbolone acetate 1200mg a week

Deca Durabolin 1200mg a week.

Equipoise Boldenone 1000mg a week

Anadrol 3 x 50mg a day

Winstrol 150mgs a day.

Masteron Prop 1200mgs a week as show prep phase

HGH 20IU per day

Insulin up to 15IU per day

Still didn't grow taller.

[Tom]

So the question I have for you who are experienced experts:

So in my mid 50's working out for about a year strictly, never drank, never smoked, eat very healthy, rarely rarely cheat meals, and been taking supplement store "pro-hormones" for a year, what should i now progress to?

just start using only 1 actual steroid (nothing else?) like test cypionate? or enthanate? or a mild oral (once again only this?)...

should i just instead going for TRT at the local male clinic?..

serious replies please and serious recommendations.

[Van_Bilderass]

So the question I have for you who are experienced experts:

So in my mid 50's working out for about a year strictly, never drank, never smoked, eat very healthy, rarely rarely cheat meals, and been taking supplement store "pro-hormones" for a year, what should i now progress to?

just start using only 1 actual steroid (nothing else?) like test cypionate? or enthanate? or a mild oral (once again only this?)...

should i just instead going for TRT at the local male clinic?..

serious replies please and serious recommendations.

What kind of pro-hormones are you talking about? That market dried up so I question if you really have been taking actual hormones.


If I were you I would do the HRT with testosterone *and* 1iu of growth hormone like bhank says he's doing. The growth hormone can add alot over time. Or maybe it's more correct to say the effect is subtle yet noticeable. This is what all the celebrities do. For example I can guarantee Bezos is doing this stack.

But you are not sure you really want to do it so it's better to hold off until you decide to take it no matter what. Seems like you would stress over the drugs at this point so it's not worth it.

[ProudVirgin69]

So the question I have for you who are experienced experts:

So in my mid 50's working out for about a year strictly, never drank, never smoked, eat very healthy, rarely rarely cheat meals, and been taking supplement store "pro-hormones" for a year, what should i now progress to?

just start using only 1 actual steroid (nothing else?) like test cypionate? or enthanate? or a mild oral (once again only this?)...

should i just instead going for TRT at the local male clinic?..

serious replies please and serious recommendations.

Drop the prohormones and just run Test C/E 150mg +/- 50mg a week

That's a generous TRT, should be plenty.  Try to get it from a physician if you can afford it.  No matter what, stop the pro hormones .. very unfavorable risk:reward profile

[Tom]

Thanks Van_Bilderass and Proud Virgin for your experience and comments!...

van, the 2 "pro-hormone" products i'm taking are from a company called 1stpharm.. they are called "Primal T" ( 2 pills morning, 5 days on, 2 days off) and "Night-T" ( 3 pills before bed, no need to cycle on or off)...

both have "natural" ingredients like tribulus, zma, ashwaganda, various plants,extracts, roots stuff....so maybe their not "pro-hormones" but natural "test boosters"?

Not sure what kind of "test" a male clinic would be injecting in me? AND i've heard various different opinions on this, that one a shot every week or every 2 weeks is good, but then i've heard that NO, this causes up and down test levels and would be pointless? That I would need a shot every couple of days or so to keep the test levels up and higher consistently?...

Going to my primary doctor tomorrow in fact, and the last time i went when i made mention of Test levels and therapy, he stated simply " do you have problems with erections?" and when i said no, he said "than you have no need to have me prescribe anything like that to you, we don't do that here"....

[Van_Bilderass]

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Yeah those are not pro-hormones.

I'm not in the US so I'm not sure what options are best for HRT in your case, but there are a lot of them. Maybe bhank can hook you up, I don't know what clinic he uses or if he mentioned it already.