ONE PILL CAN KILL!

[ChristopherA]

Not just Prince but im pretty sure Bowie and Tom Petty too

Im sure Tommy knows what hes talking about but he's seriously misinformed if he thinks other drugs aren't being cut with fentanyl.

People are ODing on every drug you can imagine because they're spiked with fent over here in the Northeast. But Tommy's a drug expert so I guess I'm wrong and they aren't dead

[FitnessFrenzy]

is fentanyl created relatively recently?

[Humble Narcissist]

ive personally knows 7 people who have died of fenty overdoses in the last year

What kind of circles do you run in?

[ChristopherA]

is fentanyl created relatively recently?

Nah been around a while for extreme pain. Cancer etc

[Taffin]

eleventeen

fake news - at least fourfty

[Taffin]

People are ODing on every drug you can imagine because they're spiked with fent over here in the Northeast. But Tommy's a drug expert so I guess I'm wrong and they aren't dead

Yeah, I mean I'm not exactly hooked up, but Someone Who Isn't Me (SWIM) found they could buy that sort of shit fairly easily

SWIM made friends with a guy in Hong Kong to - at first - procure fake designer shit.  SWIM soon also got offered all sorts of outlandish chemical things that SWIM wasn't interested in.  (SWIM was just trying to buy fake Gucci handbags for his Wife)

SWIM was offered literally every-fucking-thing that the Good Lord Post-Communist China could provide

[beakdoctor]

No fucking way.  That's a tall tale, for sure.

https://www.pumphreylawfirm.com/blog/spring-break-gone-south-west-point-military-cadets-overdose-on-fentanyl/

Turns out they survived. The story I was told that 4 died but turns out 4 overdosed. 2 attempted cpr and also o.d.'d just from cpr. Ultimatley paramedics and a stay in ICU apparently saved their lives.

West point cadets....


In total there were six people in the group, all in their young twenties. Four of the six had taken a substance they believed to be cocaine; however it became apparent that it was laced with fentanyl, which caused them to go into cardiac arrest. The other two friends attempted to give them CPR on their own before the police were called but were then exposed to the opioid from the contact. The two who were exposed from administering CPR also went into cardiac arrest.

[ProudVirgin69]

https://www.pumphreylawfirm.com/blog/spring-break-gone-south-west-point-military-cadets-overdose-on-fentanyl/

Turns out they survived. The story I was told that 4 died but turns out 4 overdosed. 2 attempted cpr and also o.d.'d just from cpr. Ultimatley paramedics and a stay in ICU apparently saved their lives.

West point cadets....


In total there were six people in the group, all in their young twenties. Four of the six had taken a substance they believed to be cocaine; however it became apparent that it was laced with fentanyl, which caused them to go into cardiac arrest. The other two friends attempted to give them CPR on their own before the police were called but were then exposed to the opioid from the contact. The two who were exposed from administering CPR also went into cardiac arrest.

yeah Im sure they od'd from giving CPR and not from doing the same laced cocaine as everyone else lol. 

The notion that fentanyl poses a danger to emergency responders is a harmful myth that can lead to delay or absence of emergent care for victims of overdose.  Please refrain from spreading this myth in the future.  Don't take my word for it, here's the official statement from the American College of Medical Toxologists:

Fentanyl is amenable to transdermal absorption because of its low molecular weight and lipophilicity [19, 20]. Depending on the specific product, transdermal delivery systems (“patches”) take 3-13 hours to produce a therapeutic serum fentanyl concentration and 35 hours to reach peak concentration [21-24]. Absorption of liquid or aqueous fentanyl increases with larger surface area of application, duration of application, broken skin, and heat. The physical properties of fentanyl analogs are similar to fentanyl, suggesting potential for dermal absorption. In a small volunteer study, sufentanil citrate applied to the forearm and covered in an occlusive dressing was absorbed
comparably to fentanyl, although exact bioavailability was not determined [25].

However, incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. If bilateral palmar surfaces were covered with fentanyl patches, it would take approximately 14 minutes to receive 100 mcg of fentanyl [using a body surface area of 17,000 cm2, palm surface area of 0.5 [26], and fentanyl absorption of 2.5 mcg/cm2/h [24]. This extreme example illustrates that even a high dose of fentanyl prepared for transdermal administration cannot rapidly deliver a high dose./quote]

https://www.acmt.net/_Library/Positions/Fentanyl_PPE_Emergency_Responders_.pdf

[GymnJuice]

yeah Im sure they od'd from giving CPR and not from doing the same laced cocaine as everyone else lol. 

The notion that fentanyl poses a danger to emergency responders is a harmful myth that can lead to delay or absence of emergent care for victims of overdose.  Please refrain from spreading this myth in the future.  Don't take my word for it, here's the official statement from the American College of Medical Toxologists:

Fentanyl is amenable to transdermal absorption because of its low molecular weight and lipophilicity [19, 20]. Depending on the specific product, transdermal delivery systems (“patches”) take 3-13 hours to produce a therapeutic serum fentanyl concentration and 35 hours to reach peak concentration [21-24]. Absorption of liquid or aqueous fentanyl increases with larger surface area of application, duration of application, broken skin, and heat. The physical properties of fentanyl analogs are similar to fentanyl, suggesting potential for dermal absorption. In a small volunteer study, sufentanil citrate applied to the forearm and covered in an occlusive dressing was absorbed
comparably to fentanyl, although exact bioavailability was not determined [25].

However, incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. If bilateral palmar surfaces were covered with fentanyl patches, it would take approximately 14 minutes to receive 100 mcg of fentanyl [using a body surface area of 17,000 cm2, palm surface area of 0.5 [26], and fentanyl absorption of 2.5 mcg/cm2/h [24]. This extreme example illustrates that even a high dose of fentanyl prepared for transdermal administration cannot rapidly deliver a high dose./quote]

https://www.acmt.net/_Library/Positions/Fentanyl_PPE_Emergency_Responders_.pdf

On the other hand if they die it is cheaper than paying for their treatment... 

[Matt]

They are NOT using fentanyl as a cutting agent. Completely insane. Laughable.

Dope fiends are idiots. They want a cheap, long lasting high. They will buy anything.

And NO COKE DEALER would have fentanyl within 100 yards of his Coke supply. If the contaminated Coke didn’t kill their customers, they would lose their customer because the Cocaine would put them to sleep… and good cocaine doesn’t put people to sleep. LOL!

Here’s the deal-  I have exceptional connections. You name the drug or other illegal product and I can probably get “some” in a few days… a week at the most. I asked my guy for a gram of pure fentanyl…he just started laughing. Fentanyl is hard as fuck to find. Nobody uses fentanyl to cut anything.

I think you may be thinking heroin, Tom.

It makes no sense to cut drugs with heroin, as heroin is so expensive.

To the contrary, Fentanyl is cheap as hell, and is being cut into everything around.

This has all happened within the past ten years.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/law-enforcement-seizures-pills-containing-fentanyl-increased-dramatically-between-2018-2021

[beakdoctor]

yeah Im sure they od'd from giving CPR and not from doing the same laced cocaine as everyone else lol. 

The notion that fentanyl poses a danger to emergency responders is a harmful myth that can lead to delay or absence of emergent care for victims of overdose.  Please refrain from spreading this myth in the future.  Don't take my word for it, here's the official statement from the American College of Medical Toxologists:

Fentanyl is amenable to transdermal absorption because of its low molecular weight and lipophilicity [19, 20]. Depending on the specific product, transdermal delivery systems (“patches”) take 3-13 hours to produce a therapeutic serum fentanyl concentration and 35 hours to reach peak concentration [21-24]. Absorption of liquid or aqueous fentanyl increases with larger surface area of application, duration of application, broken skin, and heat. The physical properties of fentanyl analogs are similar to fentanyl, suggesting potential for dermal absorption. In a small volunteer study, sufentanil citrate applied to the forearm and covered in an occlusive dressing was absorbed
comparably to fentanyl, although exact bioavailability was not determined [25].

However, incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. If bilateral palmar surfaces were covered with fentanyl patches, it would take approximately 14 minutes to receive 100 mcg of fentanyl [using a body surface area of 17,000 cm2, palm surface area of 0.5 [26], and fentanyl absorption of 2.5 mcg/cm2/h [24]. This extreme example illustrates that even a high dose of fentanyl prepared for transdermal administration cannot rapidly deliver a high dose./quote]

https://www.acmt.net/_Library/Positions/Fentanyl_PPE_Emergency_Responders_.pdf

First of all,

Why would the 2 cadets that got it from transfer from cpr have to lie when the other 4 readily admit to what happened? Wouldn't the other 4 'out' the liars? Obviously witnesses also reported what happened and cops investigated it..... but you see through it.

Second,

Your fears that it will lead to delays is frankly absurd. This has been a major problem for the last 5 years or longer and first responders continue to deal with these overdoses everyday.  Fortunately the examples of transfer causing adverse effects have been learned from and the dangers are more well known now. As a result its happening less to first responders even though overdoses among drug users continue to rise.

Third your opinion and your article are omitting one thing: the dozens of instances where it has already happened.  Not story, not myth but actually has happened and in fact I personally know a cop it happened to. It hardly takes any effort at all to find any of the dozens of documented instances where cops, firefighters or paramedics have had adverse reactions from transfer of contact.

[ProudVirgin69]

1) they are in the military, drug use is forbidden.  Do you not understand the incentive they have to lie about it?

2) agree to disagree, i suppose

3) these incidents arent included bc they aren't real .. its not possible.  if you wanna believe a bunch of cops over toxologists and pharmacists, ie real subject matter experts, be my guest.  as we know, cops always tell the truth anyways

[beakdoctor]

1) they are in the military, drug use is forbidden.  Do you not understand the incentive they have to lie about it?

2) agree to disagree, i suppose

3) these incidents arent included bc they aren't real .. its not possible.  if you wanna believe a bunch of cops over toxologists and pharmacists, ie real subject matter experts, be my guest.  as we know, cops always tell the truth anyways

How convenient.  If its contrary to what you believe then it must be a lie. Thats a solid argument. Wow you'll be able to go through your whole life without ever having to truly think anything through.

You have your point. Everyone else is a liar. Excellent.